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pablopicasso
(grinning soul)
01/01/04 01:57 AM
Re: New Videos? new [re: bowiefanpeter]  

PTAGTH? HELP?



CAwesome
(grinning soul)
01/01/04 02:01 AM
Re: New Videos? new [re: pablopicasso]  

Pretty Things Are Going To Hell. One of my favourite songs, I might add.



pablopicasso
(grinning soul)
01/01/04 02:16 AM
Re: New Videos? new [re: CAwesome]  

Thanks, i was wracking my brain over that. Yeah it is a good song, I just got the Australian import of it. Didn't know there was a video, but then I kind of was out of the bowie loop in the nineties, but have just put that right in two months of frantic buying on e bay



diamondogz74
(kook)
01/01/04 06:55 AM
Re: New Videos? new [re: Shoes]  

Yep!,You're talking about the images for the Reality tour,Sure they are videos/animation etc...,But they were made simply for the Reality tour,Not to be shown on television,As for MTV et al?,All they play is moron fodder,The only good music channel on satellite/cable?,Is VH1 classic,To my knowledge?,Its the only channel that shows Bowie videos.
And NO you were not hallucinating,What you saw does take place.

London Bye Ta-Ta...

Dara
(acolyte)
01/02/04 07:01 AM
Re: New Videos? new [re: bowiefanpeter]  

In reply to:

I bet Bowie lost interest in videos after the PTAGTH debacle back in 1999. Bowie probably spent enough money to buy a house on a video that was never to be seen.


Or Virgin did. The more cynical view is that Bowie was happy to make expensive videos for as long as somebody else was paying. Which of course is his prerogative, and expensive videos are hard to justify on a ROI basis.

That said, I don't believe we've seen the last ever "proper" Bowie video. Right now, he simply doesn't need them - he was able to shift 2 million copies of Heathen without one. But times may change again, and in a few years he may see the benefit in doing a full on "comeback" with a hyped single backed by an expensive video.

He said at the time he stopped making videos because they weren't getting played anywhere, but I don't fully buy that. Iggy Pop still makes videos, and his albums barely chart anywhere, his singles even less so (but his videos do get good play on UK channels like Kerrang, the Amp and VH1, making them the main promotional tool Iggy has here). All the Hours videos got good play in the UK and much of Europe. However, at the time, there was a feeling that videos were becoming less important as promotional tools in the industry generally, with MTV migrating from showing video to "youth lifestyle programming".

I think that's shifting again though. With the upsurge in cable channels that serve up a pure diet of videos, it's becoming a bigger promotional tool now, to the point that trade publications like Music Week track video play (to give retailers an idea of what's likely to be hot a week or two down the line). I have 20 music video channels on my TV that spit out videos most of the day. If Bowie released a half decent video now, he could expect to get played on at least half of them. Many already do play Bowie (the classic videos).

I think the reasons Bowie stopped making videos were both artistic and commercial. Commercial - they didn't seem to be paying for themselves any more, and he was going to have to pay for them out of his own pocket rather than merely utilizing a generous label budget. Artistic - the medium had become quite old and tired (still is) and just didn't hold his interest any more.

Whatever the reasons, when they're compiling the ultimate Bowie Video Collection at the end of his career, the years 2000-200? will stand out in the same way that 1975-1978 do.

Slan libh,

Dara

"The two aims of the Party are to conquer the whole surface of the earth and to extinguish for once and for all the possibility of independent thought" - 1984 (George Orwell)

eraserhead
(stardust savant)
01/02/04 07:35 AM
How about a 30 sec TV spot? new [re: Dara]  

In reply to:

Iggy Pop still makes videos, and his albums barely chart anywhere


A couple weeks ago, Skull Ring was at #39 on the Billboard charts, making it his biggest US hit ever. I think #39 on the Billboard charts is pretty good, for any artist, not just a cult artist like Iggy Pop. I mean, Heathen Chemistry, the latest album from Oasis, peaked at #23. I also saw that Beck's last album, or maybe it was the one before the last one, peaked at #34. So, what do you have to say for yourself now? :)

Anyway, has Bowie/Columbia made any TV spots/promos for Reality, like the ones that were made for Diamond Dogs, for example, or like this one Iggy/Virgin has made:
http://www.iggypop.com/video_skullring_promo.php



What did Christ really do? He hung out with hard-drinking fishermen. And when they asked him, 'Why are you hanging out with prostitutes and fishermen?' he said, 'Because they need me.' What a line, you know?
-Iggy Pop, 2003



Dara
(acolyte)
01/02/04 08:54 AM
If no. 39 is his best ever.... new [re: eraserhead]  

In reply to:

A couple weeks ago, Skull Ring was at #39 on the Billboard charts, making it his biggest US hit ever. I think #39 on the Billboard charts is pretty good, for any artist, not just a cult artist like Iggy Pop. So, what do you have to say for yourself now? :)


I don't think I have to say anything else. Your first sentence up there pretty much proves my point.

Slan leat,

Dara


"The two aims of the Party are to conquer the whole surface of the earth and to extinguish for once and for all the possibility of independent thought" - 1984 (George Orwell)

eraserhead
(stardust savant)
01/02/04 11:16 AM
Dara's Chart Watch new [re: Dara]  

Hey, Dara, you need to re-read your own chart statistics!

Ziggy peaked at 75, Hunky Dory at 93, TMWSTW at 105! And even his 90s albums "flopped" (in your opinion): BTWN and Earhling peaked at 39 and hours... at 47! #39 is not so bad then, is it?

Seems to me Iggy is more popular than Bowie in the States!



What did Christ really do? He hung out with hard-drinking fishermen. And when they asked him, 'Why are you hanging out with prostitutes and fishermen?' he said, 'Because they need me.' What a line, you know?
-Iggy Pop, 2003



Dara
(acolyte)
01/05/04 06:51 AM
Fuzzy logic new [re: eraserhead]  

In reply to:

Ziggy peaked at 75, Hunky Dory at 93, TMWSTW at 105! And even his 90s albums "flopped" (in your opinion): BTWN and Earhling peaked at 39 and hours... at 47! #39 is not so bad then, is it?


Longevity is more important than peak position for albums. Ziggy spent over a year on the US charts.

Also, I'm not following your logic here - Earthling flopped because it reached 39 but Iggy is a big hit because he reached 39?

In reply to:

Seems to me Iggy is more popular than Bowie in the States!


How do you work that out? Your whole argument seems to be based on peak chart position, yet Reality peaked ten places higher than Skull Ring.

Slan leat,

Dara

"The two aims of the Party are to conquer the whole surface of the earth and to extinguish for once and for all the possibility of independent thought" - 1984 (George Orwell)

eraserhead
(stardust savant)
01/05/04 09:29 AM
Re: Fuzzy logic new [re: Dara]  

In reply to:

Also, I'm not following your logic here - Earthling flopped because it reached 39 but Iggy is a big hit because he reached 39?


You said "his albums barely chart anywhere" and that the fact that Skull Ring reached #39 just proves that - that his albums barely chart. In other words, you think #39 is to barely chart. So it's a flop, in your opinion. But if Skull Ring is a flop having only reached #39, Earthling must also be a flop, having reached the same position. Maybe not a flop if we're talking longevity, but a flop in the respect that it didn't enter the Top 10. My personal opinion is that reaching #39 is a hit for someone like Iggy, but a flop for someone like Bowie.

And when I said "Seems to me Iggy is more popular than Bowie in the States!" I was just trying to piss you off.



"There are no accidents." William S. Burroughs


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