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th0mas
(acolyte)
01/20/04 07:42 AM
Re: Johnny Cash's Hurt = Pain new [re: poorsoul]  

if some justin-timberlake-like talented boy had covered it i would completly agree. but in this case i was amazed that a musician like johnny cash cared for today's music. he could have covered any other song by any old fart or some schmalz-ful elton john tune but he decided to cover hurt. for me this looks as an hommage to NIN as well. also his version is far more than a simple copy - it's music.

"Have you tried... not being a mutant?"

Remade/Remodeled
(stardust savant)
01/20/04 06:56 PM
Stick with the REM, Th0mmy new [re: th0mas]  

In reply to:

but in this case i was amazed that a musician like johnny cash cared for today's music. he could have covered any other song by any old fart or some schmalz-ful elton john tune but he decided to cover hurt.


The norm over the four Rick Rubin produced American recordings was several Cash originals with covers that could be considered 'left-field'... while the first contained artists such as Rufus Wainright and Leonard Cohen's work being reinterpreted, the trend which led to Hurt began on the second of the series, Unchained, with covers of songs by Beck (Rowboat) and Soundgarden (Rusty Cage).

If he'd died just after, say, American III: Solitary Man, then you would be giving his cover of U2's One the same accolades, with the heartfelt honesty of one who is so obviously a U2 fan.

I'm right, aren't I?

But seriously, folks...

th0mas
(acolyte)
01/20/04 07:12 PM
Re: Stick with the REM, Th0mmy new [re: Remade/Remodeled]  

a) a version of One without Bono simply has to be better than a version with Bono. and nobody has to die at all.

b) U2 are nothing comparable to Trent Reznor. NIN, though certainly having some kind of success, are hardly a stadium band. they did not tour the way U2 did. they don't show up anywhere they are allowed to. to cover U2 is like shooting a fish in a bowl - you can't fail to get a degree of attention. even if its just by occasional u2 fans. but to cover a song which is at best the border of the mainstream and as far away from the usual catalogue as Hurt is from Ring Of Fire is at least an experiment.

you see the difference between Hurt and One, don't you?

"Have you tried... not being a mutant?"

Remade/Remodeled
(stardust savant)
01/20/04 08:39 PM
They just released a best of, I'm sure you own it new [re: th0mas]  

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you see the difference between Hurt and One, don't you?


Beck.

Soundgarden.


I was just using the U2 song as an example of a band that you would like... if only it'd been Everybody Hurts or Shiny Happy People, yeah?

But seriously, folks...

th0mas
(acolyte)
01/22/04 09:38 AM
Re: They just released a best of, I'm sure you own it new [re: Remade/Remodeled]  

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if only it'd been Everybody Hurts or Shiny Happy People, yeah?


okay, maybe i did not make my point clear: I like R.E.M. but it is still mainstream. it's nothing special to cover them. as well you could do a beatles cover, it would not impress me, even if you died immediatly after recording it.
that a country singer takes a song of a band i would not expected him and his surroundings to know is still rather unusual. which is the reason why i liked this song. as you can see in a thread ruskie started before cash died i already mentioned that i like the coverversion and the video without the Dead Megastar Bonus. and even before that i knew the NIN version - several versions, including the one with david bowie.
i completly agree that there is a hype because of the reasons you already mentioned. but i completly disagree that there is an automatism that makes songs being worse because of being hyped.

"Have you tried... not being a mutant?"

Cassiel
(wild eyed peoploid)
01/22/04 10:58 AM
Re: Stick with the REM, Th0mmy new [re: Remade/Remodeled]  

In reply to:

you would be giving his cover of U2's One the same accolades


No. But I suspect I/People in gerneral might be saying much the same things about his wracked and ragged cover of Will Oldham's beautiful "I See a Darkness" as they have been recently about "Hurt".

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