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poorsoul
(acolyte)
02/07/04 00:10 AM
In The Next World [re: dice]  

In reply to:

Fashion
Life On Mars?
Blue Jean
Sound And Vision



How are these not hits? All were top ten singles.

I Forgot To Change It Before

EJSundayModerator
(acolyte)
02/07/04 06:39 AM
A Hit Is Not Simply A Song You Think Is One [re: dice]  

I posted this a few miles above in this thread. I still don't get it why people would call it a greatest hits tour or even Sound & Vision 2. Here my statistics come again and I don't think there is much wrong with them.

To clear the view a little I have tried to split a current Bowie set list into categories: The Big Hits, the well known songs, the less known, and the new and "unpopular" songs.

I picked the long Dublin night as that's the one that's going to be relased and therefore defines the best current live set as the man sees it himself.

The songs are put into the categories following the assumed preferences and tastes of an assumed wide range Bowie crowd in contrast to an experts crowd we have here on TW. Some may argue on the categorization of individual songs as I in fact do myself but I hope you will agree in general..

Anyway, here are the 35 songs from Dublin:

Best Ofs:

1 Rebel Rebel
2 Fame
3 China Girl
4 Under Pressure
5 Life On Mars?
6 Ashes To Ashes
7 Changes
8 Heroes
9 Hang On To Yourself
10 Ziggy Stardust

Well known:

1 Be My Wife
2 The Man Who Sold The World
3 Hallo Spaceboy
4 Breaking Glass
5 Iím Afraid Of Americans
6 Five Years
7 All The Young Dudes


Less known:

1 Cactus
2 Sister Midnight
3 Afraid
4 Fantastic Voyage
5 Sunday
6 5:15 The Angels Have Gone
7 Loving The Alien
8 Heathen (The Rays)
9 Slip Away

New and "unpopular"
stuff:

1 New Killer Star
2 Reality
3 Days
4 The Loneliest Guy
5 Battle For Britain
6 Fall Dog Bombs The Moon
7 The Motel
8 Never Get Old
9 Bring me The Disco King

Adding them up the Best Ofs and the well known tracks are 18 in number, providing half of the show.

The other half is made of less known, brand new or "unpopular" stuff.

In my view this a pretty good balance for a show that is intended to please 10.000 people of a wide range of taste. Some may argue he is playing it safe by backing up the "risky" half with the "commercial" half, but I would argue that there is loads of people that enjoy much of both parts. Myself included.

"A Reality" is definitely not a Best Of tour as the figures clearly show. It may appear too balanced for those who are still stuck in the "Outside" phase of Bowie - but for those who are happy with many of Bowie's different eras the current tour is a very good deal.

And I want to believe
In the madness that calls 'now'


NoControl
(kook)
02/07/04 07:46 AM
Re: Oh Really? [re: EJSunday]  

Below are many of the songs that have been performed on the A Reality *cough* Sound & Vision Part 2 *cough* tour (included are many of the single's highest chart positions):

White Light White Heat - #46 UK
Space Oddity - #15 US, #1 UK
Changes - #41 US
Starman - #65 US, #10 UK
The Jean Genie - # 71 US, #2 UK
Life Of Mars? - #3 UK
Rebel Rebel - #64 US, #5 UK
Fame - #1 US, #17 UK
Sound & Vision - #3 UK, #69 US
Heroes - #24 UK
Breaking Glass - #54 UK
Ashes To Ashes - #1 UK
Fashion - #70 US, #5 UK
Under Pressure - #29 US, #1 UK
Let's Dance - #1 US, #1 UK
China Girl - #10 US, #2 UK
Modern Love - #14 US, #2 UK
Blue Jean - #8 US, #8 UK
Loving The Alien - #19 UK
Hallo Spaceboy - #12 UK
I'm Afraid Of Americans - #66 US, #15 Canada

IMO, very well known songs:

Ziggy Stadust
New Killer Star
Suffragette City
Hang Onto Yourself
All The Young Dudes
Be My Wife
Panic In Detroit


Shit, that's a lot of hits David! And come to think of it, we're not even halfway through the tour yet! There's obviously more hits on the way...











...don't tell god your plans...

Edited by NoControl on 02/07/04 07:47 AM (server time).



dice
(every nation's refugee)
02/07/04 02:41 PM
Re: Oh Really? [re: NoControl]  

white light white heat, changes, breaking glass: not even top 40 ANYWHERE! top 40 is loosest definition of "hit" i've ever heard. and honestly, are there really ever 40 hit songs out at the same time? c'mon. so those three get the boot out-of-hand. and canada doesn't count, so IAOA is out. i'd give 'loving the alien' the boot too. i would guess that one debuted at 19 on the career momentum of 'let's dance' and then fell off a cliff

we are left with 16 of what i would guess to be borderline and above worldwide hits. only 7 of these went top 40 in the US:

Space Oddity - #15 US, #1 UK
Starman - #65 US, #10 UK
The Jean Genie - # 71 US, #2 UK
Life Of Mars? - #3 UK
Rebel Rebel - #64 US, #5 UK
Fame - #1 US, #17 UK
Sound & Vision - #3 UK, #69 US
Heroes - #24 UK
Ashes To Ashes - #1 UK
Fashion - #70 US, #5 UK
Under Pressure - #29 US, #1 UK
Let's Dance - #1 US, #1 UK
China Girl - #10 US, #2 UK
Modern Love - #14 US, #2 UK
Blue Jean - #8 US, #8 UK
Loving The Alien - #19 UK
Hallo Spaceboy - #12 UK

you can add these in if you like:

Ziggy Stadust
Suffragette City
All The Young Dudes

19 hits have been played on this tour

16-9-3: ratio of hits per night for typical sound and vision, reality, and earthling (random date) tour dates. it's true that without material from heathen and reality that the remainder of the material could be considered close to a sound and vision era greatest hits setlist

76-60-19: percentages of hits played on typical sound and vision, reality, and earthling (random show) setlists when new material is REMOVED from the setlist

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pablopicasso
(kook)
02/07/04 02:52 PM
Hits Schmitz [re: dice]  

Is anyone else thinking there is not going to be any conclusion to this thread?
I'm rapidly losing the will to live.


Put a Bullet in my brain and it makes all the papers


JonnyManic
(stardust savant)
02/07/04 06:09 PM
what *is* he? [re: NoControl]  

In reply to:

A Reality *cough* Sound & Vision Part 2 *cough* tour


I hope you catch gonorrhea from a dog.

Silence Is The Voice Of Complicity

jabow
(kook)
02/07/04 11:00 PM
Re: what *is* he? [re: JonnyManic]  

Buffalo NY is sold out. Anyone think they will add another show ?

"You'll have to take me just the way that you find me."


poorsoul
(acolyte)
02/07/04 11:22 PM
Lies, Damned Lies [re: NoControl]  

In reply to:

Below are many of the songs that have been performed on the A Reality *cough* Sound & Vision Part 2 *cough* tour...



Because this argument was getting rather frustrating, I compiled the available setlists from the Sound + Vision Tour in order to compare them with the overview of the A Reality list and found that, of the 30 songs performed this year which had been written before 1990, 19 of those had been regularly performed in both tours. Considering the lengths of the shows, that's quite extraordinary.

I Forgot To Change It Before

NoControl
(kook)
02/08/04 08:03 PM
Re: To my best friend... [re: JonnyManic]  

I love when people contribute meaningful dialogue to the topic at hand...

...don't tell god your plans...

NoControl
(kook)
02/08/04 08:12 PM
Re: Probably not, unless... [re: jabow]  

No because there's really no room in the schedule for a second Buffalo show...unless it's added after the Holmdel, NJ & Wantagh, NY shows. I think you'll see when tickets go on sale for Indianapolis, Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, New Orleans & Miami, that these markets will have been also underbooked and really should've been booked into larger venues (amphitheaters and/or arenas).

...don't tell god your plans...

Edited by NoControl on 02/08/04 08:13 PM (server time).




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