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pablopicasso
(wild eyed peoploid)
01/23/04 08:48 PM
Re: Painting yourself into a corner [re: bowiefanpeter]  

was n't TM1 the last?

She's so swishy in her satin and tat,
and her frock coat and bippety boppety hat.


bowiefanpeter
(acolyte)
01/23/04 09:04 PM
Re: Painting yourself into a corner [re: pablopicasso]  

TM1 was on EMI. I thought he just did a 1 time deal on that album. I'm simply surprised EMI would release an album like that, which didn't even have DB's name on the cover.

Also, much has been written about TM being a 4-part enterprise with all TM members sharing in the cost and profit from their music.

BFP



NoControl
(kook)
01/26/04 04:29 AM
Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality Tour? new [re: eraserhead]  

I think Bowie's been defying expectations for decades, not only with the current A Reality tour but with each and every thing he does involving music - good or bad. IMO, the main reason for pulling out the "hits" again is to sell more tickets. This is extremely obvious and has thus worked very well compared to the Outside & Earthling tours which didn't sell shit. So, basically Bowie had to bring out the "hits" again in order to tour - more so in North America, or he'd be playing in small theaters/big clubs to crickets this time around, much like the last few outings on this side of the Atlantic. And he knows it.

Btw, I've noticed that some hard-core fans on this board have actually started making excuses for DB's mid-eighties commercial phase by saying in one way or another that he didn't sell out during this era and trying to convince others that he had to do what he did, when David Bowie himself has stated on numerous occasions what his intentions were during this period ($$$). I'd just like to say to those particular fans: Wake Up.

The A Reality tour is defying expectations simply because it's Bowie doing his thing. Whether it's confusing, surprising or shocking people with his setlists, image, stature, re-releases, etc. These are the components that makes up, sustains and propels his career.

So, your guess is as good as mine when it comes to predicting what his next album is going to sound like or what the next tour will bring in terms of what sized venues he'll be playing in, and what his stage costumes will bear, etc...

These are many of the reasons why I like his music so much. And thus he remains consistently effective...



...don't tell god your plans...

Dara
(acolyte)
01/27/04 06:29 AM
Re: Painting yourself into a corner [re: bowiefanpeter]  

In reply to:

TM1 was on EMI. I thought he just did a 1 time deal on that album.


No, I think it was part of the original deal. As I understand it, the deal was for 5 albums in total. It is a little surprising EMI agreed to accept it as a bone fide "Bowie album" (they sent it out with a "File Under David Bowie" instruction to record stores), whereas Labyrinth soundtrack (which sold very poorly indeed) was not "counted" as a Bowie album.

Of course, by the time Tin Machine 2 rolled around, EMI had decided that maybe no Bowie album was better than a Tin Machine one, and they counted Labyrinth as a proper album, thereby releasing Bowie from his contract and relieving themselves of the need to release Tin Machine 2.

Slan libh,

Dara

"What was the point of that In America movie? That only an inbred cretin would even think about going to live In America??" Fiona O'Kearney, 19/01/2004

EJSundayModerator
(acolyte)
01/27/04 06:37 AM
Putting Out Fire With Gasoline [re: Dara]  

In reply to:

(...) counted Labyrinth as a proper album thereby (...) relieving themselves of the need to release Tin Machine 2.


They must have been really desperate, those company guys.


And I want to believe
In the madness that calls 'now'


dice
(every nation's refugee)
01/27/04 07:31 PM
Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality Tour? [re: NoControl]  

In reply to:

So, basically Bowie had to bring out the "hits" again in order to tour - more so in North America, or he'd be playing in small theaters/big clubs to crickets this time around, much like the last few outings on this side of the Atlantic


horseshit. he wouldn't sell as many tickets/play as many dates without the hits, but he'd never have a problem filling a small theatre in a major city

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globule2
(crash course raver)
01/28/04 01:21 AM
Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality T [re: dice]  

Most north American tickets were sold before the tour started. People didn't know which songs he'd be playing.



NoControl
(kook)
01/28/04 01:23 AM
Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality T [re: globule2]  

Not all of the tickets were sold before the tour started. Many of them were sold when the tour was already in progress...

...don't tell god your plans...

globule2
(crash course raver)
01/28/04 01:28 AM
Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality T [re: NoControl]  

What's many? 5%?



NoControl
(kook)
01/28/04 01:46 AM
Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality T [re: globule2]  

In most markets, 50-100%.

...don't tell god your plans...

Edited by NoControl on 01/28/04 01:50 AM (server time).




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