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eraserhead
(stardust savant)
01/19/04 03:39 PM
Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality Tour?  

In July 2002, Bowie said, about Iggy Pop:

Not sure about this Charles Bukowski direction he's taken over the last few years. It's not defying expectations. It's playing to the gallery. I think he's got far greater potential than he allows himself. He just needs nudging in the right direction.

My question to TW, especally those of you who have seen Bowie live in 2003/2004 on the Reality Tour is:

Do you think that Bowie, with the Reality Tour, is defying expectations, or do you think he's playing to the gallery? Or is Reality Tour a little bit of both? Please, don't just answer "Yes, Reality Tour is defying expectations" or "Reality Tour is Bowie playing to the gallery" -- explain why you think he's defying expectations or playing to the gallery.



"I speak what yah weak mind lacks" -Missy Elliott


Beltene
(electric tomato)
01/19/04 03:52 PM
Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality Tour? [re: eraserhead]  

Yes. Why?

Cause I fucken say so.

Psycho maniac interblend, shoot it up. Shoot it up now.


Jubany
(grinning soul)
01/19/04 04:10 PM
Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality Tour? [re: Beltene]  

Bit of both... but that's how Bowie is...



Emil
(stardust savant)
01/19/04 04:19 PM
Why do you say that [re: eraserhead]  

The songs on the album could have been better. But there is nothing wrong with the tour. This is just what we expect from the man and it's good. Not as adventurous as the Earthling tour. But good.



HelenaOfGale
(kook)
01/19/04 04:22 PM
Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality T [re: eraserhead]  

I had hoped for something more edgy, to put it lightly, but that's a different thing than expecting something. So it all really depends on what the expectations were in the first place. What you mean, of course, is whether he's doing the jukebox thing again.

Not yet. Not completely. There are the pieces of resistance, after all, like The Motel and Sister Midnight. And there was fucking Modern Love!!

But I guess I never expected anything else than what I got.

On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.

eraserhead
(stardust savant)
01/19/04 04:54 PM
Why do I say what? [re: Emil]  

In reply to:

This is just what we expect from the man and it's good


So, what you're saying here Emil is that Bowie is NOT defying expectations, but that's okay?


In reply to:

What you mean, of course, is whether he's doing the jukebox thing again.


No, Helena, this is not really another "Isn't A Reality Tour just a Greatest Hits show" thread. What I'm thinking is, how can Bowie criticize Iggy for not "defying expectations" when he himelf is not defying anyone's expectations? At least not yours, or Emils. Or mine. You said, "I never expected anything else than what I got." And Emil just said that we get what we expect from the man. In other words, when Bowie criticizes Iggy for not defying expectations, he's really criticizing himself for not defying expectations! Or am I wrong?




"I speak what yah weak mind lacks" -Missy Elliott


tragicyouth
(wild eyed peoploid)
01/19/04 07:51 PM
Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality Tour? [re: eraserhead]  

Let me just say this.....

yes.

mostly because this tour was the first time that I had ever seen him live, so my expectations weren't that great... but let me tell you something.... when you're a foot away from him and me's miming at you.... that's awesome...



diamondogz74
(electric tomato)
01/19/04 08:02 PM
Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality Tour? [re: eraserhead]  

Well as i read it also,I see it differently to you,He was remarking on another persons show,Bowies shows defy this kind of criticism,What you are asking for is a black or white answer,There is NO black or white answer with a Bowie show,What you see is what you get,And what you get is what you see.

London Bye Ta-Ta...

dice
(every nation's refugee)
01/19/04 08:12 PM
Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality Tour? [re: eraserhead]  

playing to the gallery. trying to be all things to all people

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dukewhite
(stealing for that one good rush)
01/19/04 08:19 PM
Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality T [re: eraserhead]  

Having never seen any of his more theatrical or intricate sets or shows like Diamond Dogs or Glass Spider, with my only Bowie concert experiences being within the last two years, mainly with the stripped down Heathen set, I was expecting somethign a lot more flashy. Not saying the animations and video elements weren't such, but it was less than I expected. As far as the overall experience of the show it was equal to what I had invision the tour would be like, and I don't think his song selection is particularly edgy this tour. Sure, he's thrown in a few gems, like "Motel," "Sister Midnight," "Loving the Alien," and "Fantastic Voyage," but overall it really is just the other half of his greatest hits he left off last year. I feel like this is act II of the Heathen tour. But given the material he's been producing since Earthling, I don't think there's much "edginess" he can really pull off, unless he were to resurrect Ziggy or go back on the drugs. He's just at that point in his career where a new breakthrough might be wished for, but shouldn't be expected.

This is Dukewhite's Signature Side 2, hence it contains no words


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