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pablopicasso
(kook)
02/11/04 07:06 PM
Re: Semantics [re: NoControl]  

I mean, I for one never believed he'd never perform those songs again, never is a long time.
I do However think he has the mix of old and new is near enough right. I think he is playing enough MAJOR hits, plus a lot of MINOR hits. And is also catering for the hardcore by performing some obscure stuff. And tracks like starman can be considered obscure as he has never overplayed it even though it was a big hit, from the early 70's until the sound and vision toure it was hardly performed. So just cos something is a hit doesnt mean it is not obscure. And if this was a greatest hits tour he should be playing Space Oddity, Young Americans, and Fashion plus let's dance should be played every night.


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NoControl
(kook)
02/11/04 07:24 PM
Re: Semantics [re: pablopicasso]  

So just cos something is a hit doesnt mean it is not obscure

Huh?

. And if this was a greatest hits tour he should be playing Space Oddity, Young Americans, and Fashion plus let's dance should be played every night.

Bowie has played Space Oddity & Fashion on this tour. Plus we're not even halfway through the tour, I'm sure there's more hits to come...


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pablopicasso
(kook)
02/11/04 07:54 PM
Defining obscure hits and greatest hits tours [re: NoControl]  


Ok Here goes;

In reply to:


Let's Dance / 16
Fashion / 22
The Jean Genie / 7 *
Sound and Vision / 6 *
Jean / 5 *
Starman / 3 *
Life on Mars ? / 26
Modern love / 2


These are some of Bowie's biggest worldwide hits and he has only played fashion at 22/47 of the shows you quoted. His Biggest global hit has only been played a measly 16 times, approx a third of the shows, from his 70's heyday Jean Genie SEVEN times, his breakthrough hit (with the exception of space oddity) TWICE!!! His most well known song (the offormentioned Space Oddity) mmmmm missing from your list entirely! (I concede he played a snippet of it at a show)
Now if I was going to a David Bowie GREATEST HITS concert, I would come away pretty short changed by the above (your) statistics.

next point obscure hits.
John I'm only Dancing, Drive in saturday, Up the hill backwards, Diamond dogs, When the wind blows, Underground, cat people, were all big hits, notably absent from many a tour, if he was to play any of these it would get a shock reaction from fans. Drive in saturday was a top 5 hit in the uk but i bet most people wouldn't recognise it.

By the way, just where was Be my wife a Hit??? it didn't even get top 75 in the uk and I doubt it bothered the american or canadian charts either?




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I never felt the sun
I dread to think of when
When the wind blows




NoControl
(kook)
02/11/04 08:17 PM
Re: Defining obscure hits and greatest hits tours [re: pablopicasso]  

These are some of Bowie's biggest worldwide hits and he has only played fashion at 22/47 of the shows you quoted. His Biggest global hit has only been played a measly 16 times, approx a third of the shows, from his 70's heyday Jean Genie SEVEN times, his breakthrough hit (with the exception of space oddity) TWICE!!! His most well known song (the offormentioned Space Oddity) mmmmm missing from your list entirely! (I concede he played a snippet of it at a show)
Now if I was going to a David Bowie GREATEST HITS concert, I would come away pretty short changed by the above (your) statistics.


We're only less than halfway through the tour - there's more hits to be perfomed, I'm sure. Many people came home short changed and were complaining after the show that they didn't hear some of the hits on that particular night. He can't play all the hits - within the time frame of a concert there's not enough time to.

By the way, just where was Be my wife a Hit??? it didn't even get top 75 in the uk and I doubt it bothered the american or canadian charts either?

It wasn't chartwise but it's still a well known song IMO.

Oh btw, That's not my list you quoted - as I would've listed Let's Dance as a hit with an asterick * because it was one, for example.

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Edited by NoControl on 02/11/04 08:30 PM (server time).



CAwesome
(wild eyed peoploid)
02/11/04 08:31 PM
Re: Semantics [re: NoControl]  

He played Space Oddity for a whole nine seconds.

Now stop talking. I know karate.



dice
(every nation's refugee)
02/11/04 08:33 PM
Re: Defining obscure hits and greatest hits tours [re: NoControl]  

In reply to:

On this current tour, Bowie has to play newer material


he HAS TO play 8 new songs a night? AND additional 90s material? you could say that he's obligated to play the singles in order to maximize demand, but not 8 fucking new songs a night!

you keep digging yourself a bigger hole

In reply to:

ROTFLMFAO


and i thought we've been over how moronic this is

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dice
(every nation's refugee)
02/11/04 08:36 PM
Re: I Admit That I Wasted Time And Space Here [re: BillHague]  

In reply to:

ehrm, considering when the tour was, I would have thought that this was a given


you're a dumbass too. that obvious statement of mine was necessary for the purpose of comparison. CONTEXT!

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pablopicasso
(kook)
02/12/04 02:45 AM
Re: Defining obscure hits and greatest hits tours new [re: NoControl]  

In reply to:


By the way, just where was Be my wife a Hit??? it didn't even get top 75 in the uk and I doubt it bothered the american or canadian charts either?

It wasn't chartwise but it's still a well known song IMO.

Oh btw, That's not my list you quoted - as I would've listed Let's Dance as a hit with an asterick * because it was one, for example.


t was your list actually, i just didn't include all the asterick (sic) as I assumed everyone would know that was a hit.
Oh and you put an asterisk by Be my wife to signify hit and I wouldn't even class be my wife as a well known song to the masses, ask Phil Collins if he knows it?
Most mortals would not be going to every show, and if they were going to ONE BOWIE GREATEST HIT CONCERT they would expect his biggedt worldwide hits, LD,SO,F,YA, etc.

In reply to:


We're only less than halfway through the tour - there's more hits to be perfomed, I'm sure. Many people came home short changed and were complaining after the show that they didn't hear some of the hits on that particular night. He can't play all the hits - within the time frame of a concert there's not enough time to.


Not much of a Greatest hits tour then is it, if MANY people came home short changed?

Can we just let this thread sink now?


So long child, it's awful dark
I never felt the sun
I dread to think of when
When the wind blows




NoControl
(kook)
02/12/04 03:53 AM
Re: Defining obscure hits and greatest hits tours new [re: pablopicasso]  

it was your list actually, i just didn't include all the asterick (sic) as I assumed everyone would know that was a hit.
Oh and you put an asterisk by Be my wife to signify hit and I wouldn't even class be my wife as a well known song to the masses, ask Phil Collins if he knows it?


Well, I don't agree.


Most mortals would not be going to every show, and if they were going to ONE BOWIE GREATEST HIT CONCERT they would expect his biggedt worldwide hits, LD,SO,F,YA, etc.

Not much of a Greatest hits tour then is it, if MANY people came home short changed?

2/3-3/4 of every show has featured a hit song in the setlist. The latter made up the obligatory new material and a few obscure tracks that Bowie always does with each tour or sometimes even more (i.e. the Outside & Earthling tours). And like I said before, many fans went home disappointed because of the fact that in North America the A Reality tour was promoted in a way that made it clear that Bowie was performing hits again that he hadn't done in a long time. But the thing was, this type of promotion started in early November, well after tickets originally went on sale in late September - obviously due to the fact that originally tix were not selling well. When this type of promotion picked up, concert bowl configurations were pushed back to 180 & 270 degree end stage configurations.

As for Europe, he always plays there and the fans already were aware that he had been performing some of his hits again for the past couple of years and hence ticket sales were healthier at the get go compared to North America.

Can we just let this thread sink now?

I'd like to too.



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Dara
(acolyte)
02/12/04 04:46 AM
Uair eile leis an ri amadan new [re: NoControl]  

In reply to:

Bowie stuck to his word in so far as he didn't include hits he'd played on the Sound And Vision tour, but he did include hits, some of them much bigger hits than some of the songs he did on Sound And Vision.

Dead wrong. That's the funniest thing I've heard all day!


OK, so turn off the laughing gas for a minute and rather than just saying the statement is funny and wrong, explain to me how it is wrong.

In particular, how is Under Pressure (UK #1, US #29) not a bigger hit than some of the songs he did on S+V? Say, for example, TVC 15 (US #64, UK #33) or Be My Wife (missed the charts completely in both the UK and the US). In fact, I could go on and on with this list, but it's shorter to say that of the 32 songs Pegg lists as Sound & Vision regulars, only Space Oddity and Let's Dance did as well or better than UP in both the US and the UK, and only five others did better in the US than Under Pressure. So the other 25 songs on S+V did worse in both the US and the UK than Under Pressure did.

Furthermore, in addition to Be My Wife which never charted in either the US or the UK, a further eleven of the Sound And Vision regulars Pegg lists never charted in either the US or the UK, so by your own definition of hit, they were smaller hits than any of the songs he played on Outside that did, including the likes of Diamond Dogs, DJ, Boys Keep Swinging.

Slan leat,

Dara

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