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Earthling7
(electric tomato)
03/15/04 05:03 PM
Re: Morrissey: Bowie was only relevant by accident new [re: tonyinsf]  

Spot on, I'm afraid. Bowie was groundbreaking in the 70s and then briefly in the mid-90s. He is currently just being a "elder statesman of rock" as someone of his stature is supposed to be.

And on McCartney, Elton etc. I may want to agree that Bowie is way better, fitter, more relevant, but I'm sure Macca fans will disagree. A Macca fan might point out that he has fiddled with classical music (and Bowie not), that he actually released a good album a couple of years ago (Bowie debateable) and that he put on a bloody good tour. It's all a matter of taste anyway.

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CAwesome
(kook)
03/15/04 05:45 PM
Re: Morrissey: Bowie was only relevant by accident new [re: tonyinsf]  

Remember when you were relevant, Morrisey? Twat.

NEXT!

(sorry, I've always wanted to do that.)

I'll be appearing LIVE in Toronto April 1st. Sure, it's a David Bowie show but you're all coming to see me. More importantly, you're coming to see me in my awesome new pants.

kipt
(kook)
03/15/04 06:24 PM
Re: Morrissey: Bowie was only relevant by accident [re: tonyinsf]  

Well I disagree he was relevant "by accident" but I don't know about the rest. I actually personally think Heathen was pretty different from what you'd expect the fans to "want". I mean Sunday, Heathen, A Better Future (though most will disagree with that one), I would Be Your Slave, all to me seem to be at least a bit of a step somewhere else.
On the other hand, IMO Reality is a bit more of what Morrisey describes (don't get me wrong, I do like it). To me though it seems like just a bit of a momentary thing, I wou'dn't say that it's the mean of what Bowie's been doing recently.



SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
03/15/04 06:48 PM
Re: Morrissey: Bowie was only relevant by accident [re: pablopicasso]  

In reply to:

Well two years later they toured together, so I doubt it.


But they quarreled during the tour pretty badly, and haven't been in terms since.

KArt | Project Michelangelo | LiveJournal

pablopicasso
(electric tomato)
03/15/04 06:50 PM
Re: Morrissey: Bowie was only relevant by accident [re: Sysiyo]  

Oh right, what about?

I believe in the Power of Good
I Believe in the State of Love
I Will Fight For the Right to be Right
I Will Kill for the Good of the Fight for the Right to be Right


SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
03/15/04 06:58 PM
Re: Morrissey: Bowie was only relevant by accident [re: pablopicasso]  

Frankly, I don't remember. Morrissey later blamed Bowie for being to calculating, and there was some fighting about the setlists, I think.

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zigbot
(crash course raver)
03/15/04 06:59 PM
Re: Morrissey: Bowie was only relevant by accident [re: kipt]  

I agree that Reality is not "groundbreaking," but it is good, and better than a whole lot of what musicians have Bowie's age are littering the record stores with these days.

I agree with you, kipt, that Heathen was not a "give the fans what they want" album. Did David's fans WANT an album of songs about David's unfulfilled God searches? Probably not. But when they got it, did they like it? For the most part, yes. I adore Heathen, but I don't think it is completely "mainstream" and very commercial (with the exception of "Everyone Says Hi,"--which sounds accessible and poppy on the surface, but deals with darker issues--you'd think someone like freakin' Morrissey would actually appreciate that!).

Anyway, in summation, Morrissey is indeed a twat. I only wish I could PM Morrissey with CAwesome's avatar of Bowie giving the finger. Extremely a propos that!

zigbot

pablopicasso
(electric tomato)
03/15/04 07:14 PM
Re: Morrissey: Bowie was only relevant by accident [re: zigbot]  

Yeah Reality isn't groundbreaking, as you said though Zigbot, it is still good though.
I don't think any of his comtempories come close.
E.G. Bowie made this album as he knew it would tour well, and he needed to get a round the world tour out of his system again. Every Rolling Stones album these days is followed by a tour, so each of their albums are now just geared for that and to fit in with the classics. quite often the tour is followed by a live cd. At least Bowie does what he wants.and not just what is expeceted.

I believe in the Power of Good
I Believe in the State of Love
I Will Fight For the Right to be Right
I Will Kill for the Good of the Fight for the Right to be Right


zigbot
(crash course raver)
03/15/04 07:20 PM
Re: Morrissey: Bowie was only relevant by accident [re: pablopicasso]  

Well said, pablo. Now if Bowie's next three albums were just variations on Reality, I'd start complaining too. But you are right that there is nothing wrong with occasionally writing an album that "tours well." Hmm . . . but even if Bowie did three more Realities, if he actually TOURED after each one, I'd have to eat crow in advance and admit up front that I don't think I'd be complaining.

But I don't think David will just do more of the same, as I'm fairly certain he still has some interesting experimentation left in him.

zigbot

JonnyManic
(stardust savant)
03/15/04 10:00 PM
he's just bitter that he's so fat [re: tonyinsf]  

zzz...

The only reason Morrisey wasn't swinging from a light-fitting in the mid-eighties is because Johnny Marr was such a great songwriter.

For relaxing times, make it Suntory time.


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