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Emilio
(crash course raver)
03/16/04 10:54 AM
Re: Morrissey: Bowie was only relevant by accident new [re: RabbitFighter]  

"Unfortunately he might be correct. I wouldn´t call Bowie´s latest works bad but maybe predictable and yawning at times."

That's what I thought about him in the mid-80's, that he had become predictable, popular and commercial. Time showed he still had a few surprises up his sleeve, though.



Lady Androgyne.
(kook)
03/16/04 02:43 PM
Re: Morrissey: Bowie was only relevant by accident new [re: tonyinsf]  

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(He is) not the person he was. He is no longer David Bowie at all


That's just crap, David is always David, whatever he does, that's the thing about him, he always change. Can't label him.
I don't know what Morrisey means, but if he means David was himself in the 70's I think he'd better do his homework.

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diamondogz74
(stardust savant)
03/16/04 03:23 PM
Re: Bowie vs. Morrissey [re: romanticfool]  

He most certainly is a whiner.

He is depressing and quite drab is'nt he.

Plus he lives in Los Angeles,The place where plastic smiles are to be found in abundance,Lets hope hes got enuff pennies left to buy a slight smirk!.


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Tristan
(acolyte)
03/16/04 08:46 PM
Re: Morrissey: Bowie was only relevant by accident [re: Emilio]  

In reply to:

That's what I thought about him in the mid-80's, that he had become predictable, popular and commercial.


Seems like we're back in the mid-80's again to me.

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poorsoul
(acolyte)
03/16/04 11:32 PM
Killing [re: tonyinsf]  

In reply to:

(He is) not the person he was.



Noone can deny that, though lacking a stated point of comparison does make the following comment hard to appraise.

In reply to:

He is no longer David Bowie at all. Now he gives people what he thinks will make them happy



Ignoring the first sentence, I think he's absolutely right. Look at Tin Machine, look at 1. Outside, even 'hours...' - this projects all occured because Bowie was making the music that he wanted to make, regardless of what the critics thought of them (which, in most cases, wasn't much).

Why did Heathen and Reality gain such good receptions? Because it was the type of music the critics wanted to hear: a lower-key, more conservative, straight-edged, 'normal' Bowie. His songwriting is, for the most part, solid but far from groundbreaking. As soon as he starts to be daring again (which I doubt will occur in time for the next album), they'll start turning away again and begin to speculate on "his best album since Reality".

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and they're yawning their heads off.



Unfortunately, he's dead wrong there. Everyone loves mediocrity.

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And by doing that, he is not relevant. He was only relevant by accident.



Both statements are true: by making music that maintains the status quo, Bowie isn't going to be remembered for making an impact. And since he's already flirted with pop stardom, he's hardly likely to shift the opinions of the Phil Collins fans, who chant for him to sing China Girl and look perplexed when he starts singing Fantastic Voyage or The Motel.

So why does that make him irrelevant? Look how many bands his music has influenced and what their top picks are. Chances are they'll pick something from 1971 to 1980. How many were inspired by Let's Dance or Never Let Me Down? None, because they were simply products of their time and, as such, now sound horribly dated and, in the end, I think that's how Reality will be viewed, as a fairly typical album from the early noughties. Why else would he tour with such bland supporting bands as The Dandy Warhols or Something For Kate, when nine years ago he was singing duets with Trent Reznor?

As for the final comment, of course he was "relevant by accident". He didn't chose to influence so many future musicians, who could just have easily listened to Bob Dylan or The Police. What he did do, though, was try to make music which stood out from the crowd, which brought new elements into mainstream rock and it's for that that he will ultimately be remembered.

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diamondogz74
(stardust savant)
03/17/04 06:30 AM
Re: Morrissey: Bowie was only relevant by accident new [re: Tristan]  

Never ever again will there be a mid-80s period in Bowies career.

You ought to know better dear Tristan.


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SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
03/17/04 07:53 AM
Re: Morrissey: Bowie was only relevant by accident new [re: diamondogz74]  

In reply to:

Never ever again will there be a mid-80s period in Bowies career.

You ought to know better dear Tristan.


Based on what? To me it seems he's plunging headlong into similar mentility. Only back then he was plunging into commercial music of the day to make cash. Today he's plunging into his past to make cash.

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BigFatDog
(absolute beginner )
03/17/04 11:42 AM
Re: Morrissey: Bowie was only relevant by accident new [re: Sysiyo]  

Yeah, exactly - quite rightly too.

Bowie isn't where he is today by releasing albums like Reality, but quite simply because of his amazing back catalogue. When I see him in concert I like hearing songs from the early days (MWSTW etc.), Ziggy and the supposed "commerical music" as you so elequently put it, right the way through to today.

It would be disgraceful if he didn't play his backlog, stabbing those who have followed him for years in the back.



EJSundayModerator
(acolyte)
03/17/04 11:51 AM
Past It Ain't new [re: Sysiyo]  

In reply to:

Today he's plunging into his past to make cash.


Which is defintely wrong concerning "Heathen". Not an album of the past, not at all.


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Grey_Nihilist
(electric tomato)
03/17/04 12:20 PM
My Two Cents. new [re: EJSunday]  

I do think Morrissey has a bit of a point. But then again, he's also a navel-gazing, pretentious pseudo-intellectual who sings like a drugged muppet. Without Johnny Marr, he is nothing.

"It's not who does it first, it's who does it second" - Bowie.


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