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pablopicasso
(electric tomato)
04/12/04 05:40 AM
Re: Weep new [re: poorsoul]  

In reply to:

Nothing on this thread solves anything. If we can't even resolve what constitutes "popular" and "experimental", then there's really nowhere for the debate to go.


As is the case whenever No_control gets involved with a debate.

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poorsoul
(acolyte)
04/13/04 02:49 AM
Philo new [re: pablopicasso]  

I'm sure he'd disagree - then insult random members of your family.

Nothing Is New



forgetthatim50
(wild eyed peoploid)
09/11/04 11:02 PM
Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20 new [re: Adam]  

on the other hand,i was looking through the 1999 edition of rockhound and they gave what they call Outside a woof! along with Buddha but give tonight 1 bone



Diamond_Dave
(cracked actor)
09/12/04 07:56 AM
Re: This is TOO Easy... new [re: NoControl]  

The one thing No Control has clearly missed here is this....

Bowie never really was and NEVER will be popular in the USA because he is a Brit. Secondly, Zappa NEVER had a mainstream audience to piss off like Bowie did wiht Low. Thirdly, the USA has what, 200 million people? Don't you think it would be common practice for a local act to out-sell other acts from differant parts of the world with ease?

Elvis has sold 700 million records in the USA..and ONLY 100 million through the rest of the world. Does this evidence not tell you that being an American artists is half the battle to topping sales lists?

When Bowie released Low many fans were lost. What record has Zappa released that had his fans going.. "What the devil is this?"



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Marquis
(acolyte)
09/12/04 05:06 PM
This is even easier! new [re: Diamond_Dave]  

In reply to:

Bowie never really was and NEVER will be popular in the USA because he is a Brit.


I think the Beatles, The Who, Led Zeppelin, Eric Clapton, and Radiohead might find fault with your logic.

Sadness is for poor people.

poorsoul
(acolyte)
09/13/04 07:16 AM
2 + 2 = 5 new [re: Marquis]  

What's logic got to do with it?

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Diamond_Dave
(cracked actor)
09/15/04 07:44 AM
Re: This is even easier! new [re: Marquis]  

How can you say Radiohead has set big sales in the States? Or The Who? Led Zep and Clapton have more a US sound than they do British.

Face facts son, UK acts have fuck all chance of EVER selling well in the States. Hold on, maybe Elton has done well? Anyone?

Let's go and research some more ;)



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Marquis
(acolyte)
09/15/04 11:54 AM
Thank Your Lucky Oops! new [re: Diamond_Dave]  

Well, I just lost the longer, more biting, and better researched version of this response, but in a nutshell:

I can say Radiohead sell well in the States because they do. As do all of the bands I mentioned, regardless of whether you deem them to be 'British sounding' enough to qualify. And do I even need to think about mentioning Coldplay?

The bottom line is that you're a bigot and an idiot who wants to believe that Americans have a xenophobic avoidance policy on British music, when it simply isn't the case. The problem is yours, doucheface.

Sadness is for poor people.

twister
(acolyte)
09/15/04 03:29 PM
Well, on my list, it'd be pretty LOW new [re: Adam]  

I think the best popular-experimental albums generally shouldn't even sound experimental any more. After all, the most important form of experimentation I think is clearly that which expands the boundaries of that which can be considered 'popular music'.

The first two Roxy Music albums are thus strong contenders, with the marriage of Ferry's relatively straight pop/rock leanings and Eno's ambitions in crafting sound-scapes, ambience and left-field pop. Their music was wildly experimental yet also very popular, also paving the way for the future popularity of - arguably even finer acts - the Talking Heads and Joy Division.

Though if I were to name one album, based on Adam's criteria, it would be Brian Eno's full-length solo debut, Here Come The Warm Jets, full of new sounds, complex off-kilter structures and free-associative song-writing all the while boasting a perversely pop-heavy sensibility. Thirty years down the line, while still exciting in the creative process, one of it's biggest triumphs is that it would sound right at home alongside the work of the Super Furry Animals, or the mid-nineties experimental-side of Blur. Many albums pertain to 'push the envelope', but Here Come The Warm Jets is an album which, in retrospect, smugly speaks for itself in having succeeded.

The Beatles of course do deserve a big honourable mention, for getting some of the more experimental albums of the sixties to the top of the charts. With The White Album they invented the commonly accepted "rules" of the double-album, and while Sgt. Pepper's is discredited more and more with every passing year it nontheless remains the point in mainstream pop where it was announced okay to tackle any genre, and with as much whimsy as you'd like. Though Revolver is the album that really deserves The Beatles nod in my mind, intoxicatingly experimental in it's eclecticism, approaches and song-writing matter. To fail to get caught up in the creative excitement of "Tomorrow Never Knows" - which still sounded cutting edge when The Chemical Brothers re-interpreted it, some thirty years later - is to lack appreciation for popular-experimental work, period.

The Beach Boys also deserve a warm round of applause, Brian Wilson practically defines the whole nature of popular-experimental music, being an artist constantly driven to experiment and create but always with the intent of making music that would be beautiful. The Beach Boys were often complex, but never challenging, and more fool anyone who finds that a flaw. From the incredible harmonies (results of a series of experiments, for all forty years of pop culture can lead one to take them for granted) to the very birth of progressive pop (aka prog-pop) music and incorporations of classical elements: which would sure come in handy on the B-side of The Beatles' Abbey Road, released some three years after Pet Sounds.

Pet Sounds would, of course, be the obvious choice of nomination for The Beach Boys, but arguments about as strong could be made for either The Beach Boys Today! or Smiley Smile, based on preference.

In terms of even Adam's tailor-made-for-Bowie criteria, I'm not sure Bowie has much of a fighting chance against the above choices, or more. I shan't even start with Pink Floyd.

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