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Earthling on Fire
(electric tomato)
03/19/04 07:17 AM
Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20thC? [re: Adam]  

In reply to:

Philip Glass (the world's most popular and reknowned living composer)


Glass's popularity may be one thing, but his renoun in music circles is actually very poor overall. Hundreds of living composers have more credit, for instance Rautavaara, Eötvös, Henze, Boulez, Saariaho, all of whom have enjoyed notable successes. I reckon "The world's most popular and renouned living composer" is probably Henri Dutilleux.
Moreover, I suppose there is a long list of artistic masterpieces that were not very well received initially, more than 2 at any rate, so draw a parallel between Low and Le Sacre du printemps rather than some other work? I mean, this their only common point and they do share it with many other works. Mahler's symphonies were consistently trashed in his lifetime, except the eighth, for instance, befor being acknowledged as maybe the most important symphonic corpus after Bruckner's.
The Sacre's innovations were mainly rhythmic, while Low was mostly influential in the area of sound (although it is far from being its only strength). Indeed, I suppose the type of emotion and imagery (including a vivd suggestion of Central/Eastern Europe) brought up by the sound paintings in Low is much more similar to many moments in Mahler's symphonies than to anything by Stravinski.

Wear your wound with honour.

AdamAdministrator
(acolyte)
03/19/04 07:33 AM
Re: Invocation & Ritual Dance Of The Young Pumpkin [re: White Prism]  

When I wrote my post I was gritting my teeth and hoping someone wouldn't mention the Lou Reed album, so my appologies.

In reply to:

[Earthling On Fire]
I reckon "The world's most popular and renouned living composer" is probably Henri Dutilleux.


I have not heard of him but thanks for verifying. I did read in the early 1990s that Glass was the most popular living composer. My friends were forced to study him at University so I was suspecting he must have been extremely renoun too....but perhaps not. What would you say holds him back from more critical acceptance?



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Frank_Solo
(electric tomato)
03/19/04 08:34 AM
Re: Invocation & Ritual Dance Of The Young Pumpkin [re: Adam]  

Even though Metal Machine Music failed to chart and sounds like pain, it's been a big influence to electronic music, and I believe it's gonna influence even more music in the future. Actually, just a few weeks ago I heard a DJ mixing it with beats and stuff, it sounded great.

Laurie Anderson's Big Science also had a huge influence both on pop, and more experimental music. I believe Oh, Superman was quite a hit too, wasn't it?

Commercially, it didn't beat Bowie though.

Amen!

bowiefanpeter
(acolyte)
03/19/04 09:01 AM
Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20thC? [re: Adam]  

I'm surprised about some glaring omissions, some of you like to forget the 60's happened, don't you? I'll also throw in some others.

Electric Ladyland
Pepper/Revolver
Achtung, Baby!(there was mass confusion when this came out)
OK Computer(great album but I have low hopes on this one aging very well)
Mellow Gold/Odeley
Low
White Album(think about it!!!)
Bjork Debut
In Utero(this one gets better with each listen, and I've heard it over 100 times. On paper it should be a shitty record, but it just keeps coming back to me)

BFP




EJSundayModerator
(acolyte)
03/19/04 09:17 AM
Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20thC? [re: Sysiyo]  

In reply to:

I have a huge urge to mention an Oldfield album or five


Personal feelings aside I would still argue that Oldfield wasn't half as adventurous as Bowie was. Oldfield came along in the typical 70s prog mould. He is far from Kraftwerk's future world techno ideology and much closer to bands like Yes, ELP, Gong or whoever used keyboards in abundance. Oldfield was clever enough to put more fun and folk into his prog-style, leaving the earnest things to the other hippies. But adventurous? Not really. I'll give him half a point for Tubular Bells as being the first album to score a major hit with music like that. Peace.

The adventurous thing about Bowie is of course that he had had loads of hit records before "Low" and then decided to become contrarian. People like Kraftwerk started off as being unconventional and it was when they turned just a little more commercial that their their chart success really grew.

So I think we should look for other artists that as clearly broke away from their winning formula as Bowie did if we want to really find the most adventurous popular album of the 20thC.

And I want to believe
In the madness that calls 'now'


Earthling on Fire
(electric tomato)
03/19/04 11:08 AM
Re: Invocation & Ritual Dance Of The Young Pumpkin [re: Adam]  

In reply to:

I did read in the early 1990s that Glass was the most popular living composer.


"Popularity" sounds difficult to measure objectively, doesn't it? Anyhow, even if Glass is the most popular composer, I don't think he is the most popular AND renowned. I've just pulled out the 12/1999 issue of a music mag which asked a panel of 46 international musicians to name their top ten 20th-c. pieces. 7 journalists did the same. Out of the 530+ answers, Glass's name does not appear once. The only minimalist to be named was Steve Reich (once). The living composers most often cited were Boulez and Dutilleux (in that order).

In reply to:

My friends were forced to study him at University so I was suspecting he must have been extremely renoun too....but perhaps not.


That would have been University of Please Yourself, CA in Stanley J. Krammerhead III,Jr.,Occasional visiting professor of applied narcotics,'s course.

In reply to:

What would you say holds him back from more critical acceptance?


I think his work is usually reproached with being simplistic and poppish, a bit like Arvo Pärt's or Terry Riley's. The only person in the "serious" music game I've heard or read speaking favourably of Glass is conductor Marc Minkowski, who by the way is not at all a specialist of contemporary but baroque music. And in the three years I've attended classical concerts and opera performances, I don't remember any of his works being programmed in Paris, at least in its most important 6 or 7 venues.

Wear your wound with honour.

Strawman
(stardust savant)
03/19/04 11:09 AM
Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20thC? [re: Adam]  


Amidst all Low's attributes, it's uniqueness via even a vocal track is nigh impossible to reproduce a worthy cover of without the outcome sounding complete shat.

Being that unique whilst staying within the realms of popular music is an outstanding achievement.

It's incredible that an album running so coherently, diversely incorporates rock & pop whilst exploring minimilism and/or/in the form of classical music.

I can think of no other album in the history of 'Rock', quite like it.



eraserhead
(stardust savant)
03/19/04 11:22 AM
Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20thC? [re: EJSunday]  

I think The Idiot is Low's main contender here. Major switch for Iggy. The Stooges were a winning formula. Iggy could have continued doing Stooges albums, but he didn't. The Idiot doesn't sound anything like the Stooges albums, and it has influenced more bands/artists than most records have. I mean, it was an influence on Low!




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xray_yak
(grinning soul)
03/19/04 11:42 AM
Re: Invocation & Ritual Dance Of The Young Pumpkin [re: White Prism]  

In reply to:

The Floyd's albums seem to slowly build on each other, though.


I whole-heartedly agree, but Floyds work is a splendid example as contenders (experimental wise) to Bowie and Low none the less, though they got so much better when Waters left the band, imho.



DocFederfeld
(grinning soul)
03/19/04 12:18 PM
Re: Invocation & Ritual Dance Of The Young Pumpkin [re: xray_yak]  

"though they got so much better when Waters left the band, imho. "

Sorry, xray_yak, but your taste is kind of strange ...




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