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(stardust savant)
03/21/04 09:36 AM
Re: I say jump! new [re: EuropeanCanon]  

Thank you very much for that.

Sounds like our Mr Bowie again eh?

BTW,In the film TMWFTE there is an album on sale in that store Newton visits,Its called "The Visitor",I wonder was this just a film prop or did anything ever come of it?.

Humming Rheingold
We scavenge up our clothes

London Bye Ta-Ta...

03/21/04 10:46 AM
Re: I say jump! new [re: diamondogz74]  

Well, all I can say as an aside is that The Visitor was also a rumoured bootleg of Bowie's original soundtrack to MWFTE discussed in the book "David Bowie: An Illustrated Record".The bootleg, however, is generally considered not to exist.

(grinning soul)
03/21/04 12:13 PM
The Berlin era was a musical renaissance new [re: Adam]  

To me, the whole period was like a musical renaissance -- a German high renaissance.
Kraftwerk, Iggy Pop, Brian Eno, Cluster, Bowie, Fripp, etc
Philip Glass made a note in his Heroes Symphony liner that not only did the era serve as a canon for all modern music, but so much so that it deserved direct attention (by himself), as any appropriate work of art would in the past.
I don't know though -- maybe it's just my taste. I'm sure someone could just as easily call the Led Zeppelin era some kind of blues/rock renaissance, or the Elvis to Beatles transition one as well.
But, I'll argue this is more important. Right before the "Berlin era" musicians were starting to truly starting to see music objectively (with much thanks to the synthesizer) -- as amplitudes of sound frequencies over time. Bands could function entirely in studios, instruments could be imitated, etc. -- music was limitless. One can see this from Eno's pre-Berlin work, Pink Floyd, Kraftwerk, Tangerine Dream, etc. The Berlin era was just the complete collecting and mastering of this musical perspective -- applying and using it perfectly to preexisting techniques. Low is particularly amazing, as it used blues and rock instrumental techniques as some sort of guide to apply this perspective. No respect is paid toward the lyrics as a song normally would, no respect is paid towards the band or their instruments -- it is pure music -- layered, cutup, etc. A great example is that reverbed snare sound, which is still copied up to today (thanks to Visconti -- who deserves much more credit as a producer).

Of course, that whole perspective gradually dies down even within Bowie and Eno, and music goes back to some poorly abstracted format of that successful era (80s synth pop), and things go back to normal.

I don't know, that's what I think at least -- it is kind of abstract.

Edited by stevetobias on 03/21/04 12:13 PM (server time).

03/21/04 01:19 PM
Re: The Berlin era was a musical renaissance new [re: stevetobias]  

Was the filming of the movie and soundtrack work before or after the S2S album and tour? I surprised that I cannot remember, but sometihng is not adding up for me.

I was also under the impression that DB was too messed up to deliver the film soundtrack. His then management may have been a problem as mcu as anything that was going up his nose.


(wild eyed peoploid)
03/21/04 01:26 PM
Anyway, enough of that new [re: bowiefanpeter]  

Personally, I think that The Fragile by NIne Inch Nails should be classed as an experimental masterpiece. Two disks of clever, tourtured music. Its amazing and marks an important departure for the band as a whole. However, I agree with No Control (despite his lack of humour) that Zappa made some great experimental music - especially Joe's Garage.

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(stardust savant)
03/21/04 02:58 PM
Re: I say jump! new [re: kipt]  

Yes i've got that very superb book.

Its just that the cover of "The Visitor" and its concept would have made a brilliant soundtrack.

Still who knows?,It might one day come about ( wishful thinking i know).

Thank you very much.

Humming Rheingold
We scavenge up our clothes

London Bye Ta-Ta...

(thunder ocean)
03/21/04 05:18 PM
Hear hear, well spoken Marquis! new [re: NoControl]  

In reply to:

All I'm doing is answering Adam's question of whether or not Low is the most popular experimental album of the 20th Century? And I've shown why it isn't. Others in this thread have too. What part of that don't you understand?

Speaking of twisting words: Marquis never contradicted that, did he? In fact, he spoke solely of your arguing habits, and of what can really be considered 'experimental'. No mention of Bowie in the entire post.

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(cracked actor)
03/21/04 06:47 PM
Love to say Da Da [re: Adam]  

The Beach Boys' Smiley Smile has experimental (She's Going Bald, Little Pad) and popular (Heroes and Villains, Good Vibrations) songs. .Brian Wilson will be releasing a live album of his recent Smile concerts this fall. Hopefully he'll finally release the Smile sessions because it's really about time.

Smiley Smile wasn't very popular when it came out but from what I've downloaded from the Smile sessions, I've heard some wildly experimental stuff (Mrs. O'Leary's Cow, George Fell Into His French Horn). Based on the popularity of "Good Vibrations" and strong critical praise, Smile could've sold pretty well.

Edit - The only Zappa worth listening to is his fusion stuff without the Mothers, like Hot Rats because the rest just isn't very good

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Edited by Chichikov on 03/21/04 06:57 PM (server time).

03/21/04 08:05 PM
Guest [re: GodlessWonder]  

In reply to:

Personally, I think that The Fragile by NIne Inch Nails should be classed as an experimental masterpiece. Two disks of clever, tourtured music.

Except it isn't popular, so falls outside the terms of reference for this thread.

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03/21/04 08:07 PM
Get Ready to Smile [re: Chichikov]  

Well according to this, Brian Wilson plans on officially releasing Smile sometime this fall. I am not the hugest Beach Boys fan in the world, but still this is pretty damned cool.

Speaking of unreleased stuff (and the White Album), has anyone else had a chance to hear Dangermouse's Grey Album? I heard a burn of it, and ordered a copy from Ebay today. Its not great, per se, but its definitely an interesting listen, and a cool little collector's item.

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