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HotJareth
(wild eyed peoploid)
03/20/04 09:45 PM
Re: The Problem With Ignorance [re: NoControl]  

oh piss off
weird al is one thing
zappa is another
you obviously take things too seriously
which is why you are worthless so fuck off



NoControl
(kook)
03/20/04 09:51 PM
Re: The Problem With Ignorance [re: HotJareth]  

No, not at all. I'm just trying to show you why you're ignorant. I've got a sense of humour. If I didn't, I wouldn't be listening to Frank's music. In fact, I think many Bowie fans take his music way too seriously and are quite cold, especially on this board. And it's interesting to see that all you can do is to attempt to insult me. I find that funny.

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poorsoul
(acolyte)
03/20/04 10:31 PM
Monster [re: Marquis]  

In reply to:

As for this question, I'd have to go White Album.



Which raises the question that should've been asked right from the start: how is "experimentation" to be defined? The Beatles certainly was a break away from their previous albums and did contain some experimental elements (chiefly Revolution 9) but, on the whole, it featured more conventional songs, like Revolution 1. Does experiementation necessarily entail the introduction of new instruments and production techniques or is more about how the songs are developed and the style of the lyrics (where they exist)?

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Marquis
(acolyte)
03/20/04 11:23 PM
Give People What They Want in Lethal Doses [re: poorsoul]  

NoControl, the reason no one likes you is because you address them like they were 3rd graders. If you can't even make the effort to show a modicum of respect to your superiors, then we'll never get around to reading more than a few words of your posts. Your tendency to twist words and definitions to suit your own ends is obnoxious, too. Basically, it seems like you want to see things very black and white, i.e. there is what you say is truth and there is what anyone else says. If you are unable or unwilling to accept that there are varying degrees of 'truth' influenced by various opinions, then you ought to steer clear of discussion forums and other socially interactive places. Its for your own good.

Now, back to the question: It also occurred to me, poorsoul, that the White Album may not fit the bill that Adam was looking for since I believe (and I may be wrong) that it was quite popular upon release. The whole notion of 'experimental music' and, by extension, experimentation in music is a little foggy to me.

Take, for example, the Experimental Music section of my store. Its got the mainstays, mostly noise stuff, that you'd expect: Muslimgauze, Whitehouse, and Merzbow out the ass. But it also has guitar noodlers like Buckethead, psychedelic acts like Acid Mothers Temple or Jackie O Motherfucker, even a CD that's just a recording of melting ice. What is it the common thread that makes this music 'experimental'?

And what about a release like the Flaming Lips pulled with Transmissions From the Satellite Heart or even In a Priest Driven Ambulance? For a group known for its messy drugged out noisewashes to start writing catchy pop songs is, in my book, as big as risk artistically as an artist which goes the other way.

I guess what I'm trying to babble out is that while I certainly have respect for artists who work to be innovative, at the end of the day, all I care about is the results. A piece of music has to be good on its own merits, not because its groundbreaking or new or risky, but because its a good piece of music. I don't feel its right to necessarily give more credit to someone like Autechre or Sonic Youth than to The Shins or The Apples in stereo. Good is good. Period.

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NoControl
(kook)
03/21/04 00:27 AM
Re: Give People What They Want in Lethal Doses [re: Marquis]  

"NoControl, the reason no one likes you is because you address them like they were 3rd graders.

No, it's because 90% of the time I'm right about what I debate about. And many people can't stand it (I've seen this all my life) It's called jealousy, I'm afraid. I don't address people like third graders. If I did, I would've be the one who started throwing insults around. But I didn't and never have. So why are you giving me the lecture? If you can't take the fact that David Bowie isn't Lord God Of The Earth, that's your problem.

"If you can't even make the effort to show a modicum of respect to your superiors, then we'll never get around to reading more than a few words of your posts"

Superiors? Good one, I like that.

"Your tendency to twist words and definitions to suit your own ends is obnoxious, too."

Twist words and definitions? Obnoxious? I don't do that. But, I guess facts and opinions are obnoxious then. LOL

"Basically, it seems like you want to see things very black and white, i.e. there is what you say is truth and there is what anyone else says."

And you're wrong again. You are assuming things about me when you know nothing about me.

" If you are unable or unwilling to accept that there are varying degrees of 'truth' influenced by various opinions, then you ought to steer clear of discussion forums and other socially interactive places. Its for your own good".

Thanks for giving me your philosophy lesson for the day, Mommy.

All I'm doing is answering Adam's question of whether or not Low is the most popular experimental album of the 20th Century? And I've shown why it isn't. Others in this thread have too. What part of that don't you understand?

...don't tell god your plans...

Marquis
(acolyte)
03/21/04 02:13 AM
I love you but i've chosen darkness new [re: NoControl]  

In reply to:

I don't address people like third graders. If I did, I would've be the one who started throwing insults around.


So does this mean you're in the practice of throwing insults towards 10 year olds? Cause most people, I think, would tend more to address them as if their opinions may be cute, but aren't ultimately truly valid. You know, in a mock-patient superior sort of way. Such as:

In reply to:

No, it's because 90% of the time I'm right about what I debate about. And many people can't stand it (I've seen this all my life) It's called jealousy, I'm afraid.


And see if you can't even muster the talent to cloak your reeking self-importance in some sort of attempt at humor, then what use are you?
Besides, isn't the above pretty much a textbook example of what I said about your black/white view of the world?

In reply to:

If you can't take the fact that David Bowie isn't Lord God Of The Earth, that's your problem.


I'd like you to link me to the posts I've made where I said he was anything of the sort. Or, more acurately, I'd like to pry your smug mouth off of your own smug asshole and pay attention to what's going on around you. Douche.


Where's my little trouble girl?
There's no real trouble girl
Where's my little trouble girl?
C'mon c'mon c'mon


pablopicasso
(electric tomato)
03/21/04 02:20 AM
Re: Give People What They Want in Lethal Doses new [re: NoControl]  

You take life way too seriously.

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I Believe in the State of Love
I Will Fight For the Right to be Right
I Will Kill for the Good of the Fight for the Right to be Right


RabbitFighter
(acolyte)
03/21/04 06:43 AM
Re: Give People What They Want in Lethal Doses new [re: Marquis]  

In reply to:

there is what you say is truth and there is what anyone else says


He should watch his back. Last time I checked, TW:rs with similar attitudes have ended up dead...

I'm the face of love
And this love burns cold



diamondogz74
(stardust savant)
03/21/04 06:52 AM
Re: LOW: Most Experimental Popular Album of the 20thC? new [re: Adam]  

When i first viewed TMWFTE on DVD,There is a bonus feature from the director Nicolas Roeg.

In which he states this album Low was Bowies original soundtrack to the film TMWFTE.

This I do not believe,What say you?.

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EuropeanCanon
(crash course raver)
03/21/04 09:01 AM
I say jump! new [re: diamondogz74]  

There is a certain element of truth to this. Roeg originally rejected Bowie's intended score for TMWFTE, of which only a reworked Subterraneans made it onto Low - although it has been rumoured that Weeping Wall also evolved in 1975. In describing Low as Bowie's original soundtrack, Roeg has probably been slightly misled after Bowie sent a copy of the album to Roeg, soon after his rejection, with a note from Bowie implying that it was to have been the soundtrack to the film.

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