I've been hearing about this "inner circle" very much lately. They are mentioned at BowieAudio all the time. Do anybody know who are they and how they became part of it? What does make them special? What kind of stuff do they own? Is there any TWers in this "inner circle"? In fact, the whole idea of the existence of this group doesn't make very happy. An "inner circle"... how can it be possible?

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It's about whoring oneself to the devil in order to satisfy greed.

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Huh? I kinda understand, but can you be a little less cryptic?

I'll be a rocknrollin' bitch...

I will also add that it is possible for the penitent man to be redeemed from sin.

That is, by sending the TW administator rare outtakes free of charge.

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Ha, alright. But then, how can I reach the devil, in case I want to whore myself? I mean, it can't be only that. There must be something else, surely...

I'll be a rocknrollin' bitch...

You need something rare and unreleased yourself. Then you can try to reach a trade with people of the inner circle for more stuff.

Not that I'd know anything.

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First you must find yourself a Holy Grail though monetary means.

This item will allow you to deal with underground merchants such as 100% British.

If you trade wisely, it will lead to other chivalrous quests.

Of course, they are only chivalrous if your utlimate goal is to get them to the public......and until that time, you are 10 times worse than Satan.

Good luck.


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Thanks for wishing me good luck, but I wasn't going to try, anyway. Also, my question was not about how to get into this "inner circle". If anyone else wants to help me with my doubts, read my first post. Thanks again.

I'll be a rocknrollin' bitch...

Seeing how i was once a member, of BowieNet. I experienced the 'Inner circle' and i'm not talking about mischievous activites with the local loof out side the Rat and Parrot on a wednesday night.
I think a member has already posted, Sysio i think, that it is where members have rare items up for swap/sale. That is pretty much it.
I offered my Tonight album, saying it was in mint condition, never opened. I later found out, no one else had bothered to listen to their copy either. They only bought it to complete the collection.

Hold my face before you,
Still my trembling heart.
Seven days to live my life,
Or seven ways to die.

Oh listen to it, The full loving the Alien, Dancing with the big boys, Neighbourhood threat and Blue Jean are great, God only knows is interesting, alas Tonight, Don't look down, Tumble and twirl and I keep forgetting are unforgivable.

I never knew Tonight was so rare though
It was actually the last Bowie album I bought on cd to complete the set, I had it on vinyl though since 1984. The first NEW Bowie album I ever owned, it was a major disappointment. Luckily I found Never let me down to be a huge improvement even though the lead off single was poor.

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Wish, and the storm will fade away


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Ok then beat this...

I've got the one and only copy of Let's Dance with all the bonus tracks

Including the full 20 min version of "Ricochet"

And its mine, all mine

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Is that because the record sticks?

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Wish, and the storm will fade away


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Can somebody give me some examples of things that float around in these "inner circles"?

I've heard 74, 76 soundboard tapes are in their hands. Some claim to have seen the 78 earls court video. I've seen vague mentions to DD studio outtakes, and some things stolen out the trash bin for the 76 album. There's also other studio sessions like the 79 Zaine Griff session that brough out Panic In Detroit where 3 other songs were recorded.

I had a list once, likely laying in a large stack of papers somewhere. There's was also a extended verison of Beauty and Beast listed. Anybody heard that?

BFP

I have an extended beauty and the beast, it is nothing special.

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I wonder if some people buy the Sotherby auctions with the hopes of doing some secret trading.

I've also wondered if Bowie himself sells himself the Sotherby auction. It would be a means of artificially creating a high value for himself. All it would cost him is the 10% commission rate.

I have seen some really rare stuff(not much in the way of Bowie) and it all depend on how hardcore a fan you are. I've seen televised(raw unused footage) Hendrix and Lennon interviews that only about a dozen people have ever seen. Both estates do not know they exist and have ignored my emails telling them so. Sometimes they are fascinating, but I don't know how much other people would want to see them.

BFP

They probably have all of the existing bootleg tracks but in perfect sound quality. When I first heard about a perfect quality 'How Lucky You Are' back in 2000, I only half believed it. But then as Essexboy demonstrated two years ago, those 70s outtakes do exist in perfect quality.

There is also the odd track that has been mentioned by magazines such as Record Collector. One of these - April's Tooth of Gold - slipped through their fingers recently when a wonderful (but perhaps slightly naive) person released it on Bowieaudio. I warned him to act quickly to secure more releases via whatever contact he had but nothing else has come of it. One presumes he blew his chance by releasing that.

As far as recordings we know to exist, the Ernie Johnson album might be one of the biggest. Is it true it was sold to a private collector? One has to wonder how many people may have now heard it and how long it will take before the rest of us do?

Of course, if these people hoard for too long, egg will be on their face when it gets offically released. But it appears that the idiots at EMI are doing the best they can to keep them in business.



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What did the ernie johson tape go for? Did it fail to meet the reserve?

I think the Cyclops recording also sold at auction several years ago.

Like somebody suggested at BWW. We should figure to get someone to buy the tape, and everyone pays $20 for the copy of the recording. Then it's all paid for and people can go back to the auction site.

I agree with the thing about all the existing tracks in better quality. Another good example is the TV jean Genie that was recently "discovered". The versions is wide circulation has several seconds clipped from the beginning and end.

BFP

RE: is that because the record sticks

Record, whats a record ?

NO! its because of the so-called friendly sticker on the disc proclaming its exclusivity, was'nt that friendly

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100% British.

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Hey, leave him out of this. 100%B shares microscopic clips of tracks on BowieAudio at least once a year, leading to millions of fawning posts from people, like seals begging for more fish. If that's not altruism, I don't know what is.

He's the son of a bad man...

Be careful what you say about 100%B, I dared to say something negative about his uploads on BowieAudio and was flamed to hell


PS When will you upload that second Tin Machine disc that you promised , 100%?
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no-one will recall me

Things like this are what make me really want Bowie to put out a comprehensive rarities box set. Not because I'm particularly interested in hearing him farting around on Be My Wife for two hours, but because it'll slap this sort of elitist asshole subculture right in their festering gobs.

All the things I said I didn't know and didn't want to know
That you told me just to tell me later that you told me so
Come flooding back to me now

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There's was also a extended verison of Beauty and Beast listed. Anybody heard that?

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That was released on one of the 12" singles, so it wouldn't really be all that rare.

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There was a 12" Cat People extended mix put out in australia. That took a good15 years to be in general circulation after being rumour for a while.

What about the '79 Zaine Griff re-recording of Rebel Rebel(same session as the revamped Panic In Detroit) Anybody heard that one? I think there may have been 2 other songs re-done at that session, possibly including Space oddity.

BFP

Would the Alabama song be one of them or was that recorded at a separate session?

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I don't know for sure, I'd need to read the Nic Pegg Book or something(I don't have the book)

"John, I'm still Dancing" may have been another. Has this session been documented?

I remember a 1999 Record Collector saying that no true studio session had leaked since 1979(before the outside outtakes had leaked). This must be the session in question, though I don't know what tracks are in wide circulation.

BFP

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There was a 12" Cat People extended mix put out in Australia. That took a good 15 years to be in general circulation after being rumour for a while.

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My first and only 12" single purchase. If only I had a working record player.

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How about those snippets that 100% British let out about a month ago? (-that's what nigelp alludes to.) Was it in fact known that these recordings existed? This was a bunch of studio re-recordings of oldies (Andy Warhol, Boys Keep swinging, My death) that Bowie apparently did in 1995. This was news to me - OK, so this was the same rearrangements of My death and Andy that we heard on the Outside tour, and Sysiyo and nigelp admitted to not being the least bit impressed, but still.

ZOOT: Oh, but you are tired and you must rest awhile. Midget! Crapper!
MIDGET and CRAPPER: Yes, O Zoot?

This would probably have been tour rehearsals though yeah.
Emil, you look a little off-colour today?

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Is the TMWSTW'95 a "studio" recording or a "rehearsal" recording? Is that similar to what those snippets sounded like?

Also, has anybody ever figured out where the garson/bowie recordings of Small Plot&My Death originated? They are obviously played before a full audience.

BFP

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April's Tooth of Gold

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I got the track yesterday thanks to Sysiyo and it's already forced it's way into my "worst Bowie songs ever" list. It's right up there with 87 and cry, Shake it, Chilly down and Ching-a-ling.

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Sysiyo and nigelp admitted to not being the least bit impressed

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I downloaded all those snippets that 100% British offered on Bowieaudio - and deleted them the next day. May be interesting stuff for Bowie historians and manic collectors - but it is nothing for fans who want to enjoy Bowie's music. And I am into Bowie for his music.

And I want to believe
In the madness that calls 'now'

I agree - I would have enjoyed them immensely if they were whole songs, but a bunch of snippets does not make for listening pleasure. Still I do find them historically and musically interesting.

ZOOT: Oh, but you are tired and you must rest awhile. Midget! Crapper!
MIDGET and CRAPPER: Yes, O Zoot?

I would like to clarify my previous post. Aside from the facts that snippetizing diminishing the listening pleasure. If previously unavailable tour rehearsals are unearthed, fine, that's not so big news. But if studio rerecordings of old favourites are unearthed, then it is in my opinion worth a raised eyebrow. I was under the impression that the new 1PCB tracks were the latter.

ZOOT: Oh, but you are tired and you must rest awhile. Midget! Crapper!
MIDGET and CRAPPER: Yes, O Zoot?

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But if studio rerecordings of old favourites are unearthed, then it is in my opinion worth a raised eyebrow.

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It certainly is, no doubt about that. But raising an eybrow I did only once, when I first heard those snippets. And then I asked myself if I was ever gonna listen to those few seconds of songs again and the answer was 'no'. So I wiped them off my computer.

I do not want to take away anything from the people who like to have that stuff or from the contributor himself - but for me it is not enough to make me happy. Interesting, yes - exciting, no.

And I want to believe
In the madness that calls 'now'

That just sounds like showing off, giving snippets like that.
Either give the whole song or keep it to yourself, I say.
We are all fans, we should be sharing not hoarding.

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I wholeheartedly agree, EJ.

It's akin to having sex & pulling out prior to the vinegar strokes.

The majority of said snippets barely provide leeway to tantalization, let alone interest.

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There's TW New Wave
And There's Strawman

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I downloaded all those snippets that 100% British offered on Bowieaudio - and deleted them the next day. May be interesting stuff for Bowie historians and manic collectors - but it is nothing for fans who want to enjoy Bowie's music. And I am into Bowie for his music.

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Except Outside, so I don't see how you would've enjoyed them even if they hadn't been hacked to pieces.

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I got the track yesterday thanks to Sysiyo and it's already forced it's way into my "worst Bowie songs ever" list. It's right up there with '87 And Cry, Shake It, Chilly Down and Ching-A-Ling.

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I can't disagree with that. Except the bit about Chilly Down. Chilly Down is good. I think we should be grateful that some songs just don't get released.

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That just sounds like showing off, giving snippets like that.
Either give the whole song or keep it to yourself, I say.
We are all fans, we should be sharing not hoarding.

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That's exactly what I said on Bowie Audio and ended up getting a lot of abuse from the 'worshippers' about how we should be grateful for any crumb that falls from the Bowie/100% plate.

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That's exactly what I said on Bowie Audio and ended up getting a lot of abuse from the 'worshippers' about how we should be grateful for any crumb that falls from the Bowie/100% plate

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I for one thought that your comments were perfectly justified, most BowieAuidoers are pretty sycophantic and when it come to 100PCB's piecemeal offerings. Our very own 96dbFreak likes to let his flowery side show over there and even then he comes accross as the hardman of the boards.

He's the son of a bad man...

Will anybody fess up to hearing "The Berlin Working Tapes" that's been secretly circulating among some DB websites?

I have heard it, but think it's a fake. I'm also not sure if they were the similar demos that have been floating around since the late 70's.

There is also a Lennon/Bowie radio interview from 75 or so. There is also a Iggy/Bowie radio interview froma couple years later. Both of these tapes are listed in the 1979 edition of "Diary of a Generalist"

BFP

Berlin has quite an accumulated history of faked recordings.

On the Poptones bootleg THE LAECHERLING, three Bowie tracks were listed as:

1. Low (8.40)

2. Lodger (3.30)

3. Lodger II (1.48)

Although Ruud suggests these tracks were faked by the person who made the bootleg, this is actually flase.

Eno circles have revealed that the first track is a collage of Eno's music to Robert Sheckley 'In a Land of Clear Colours', while the latter two tracks were apparantly taken from David Byrne's The Catherine Wheel.

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This was a bunch of studio re-recordings of oldies (Andy Warhol, Boys Keep swinging, My death) that Bowie apparently did in 1995. This was news to me - OK, so this was the same rearrangements of My death and Andy that we heard on the Outside tour, and Sysiyo and nigelp admitted to not being the least bit impressed, but still.

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That same version of Boys Keep Swinging was performed on the Outside tour, too.

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I'm surprised by the things that exist (free to be traded) that are not in circulation.

There's pro grade video and audio of the Bowie/Morrissey Cosmic Dancer duet from '91. I read about it appearing on a UK morrissey docu a year or two ago.

I have the "jumbotron" video feed with soundboard audio of the acoustic performances in 1996. 35-40m each BOTH NIGHTS!! There's a been a number of these of other bands like Pearl Jam which has surfaced from this venue. I have never seen my footage reference aywhere.

I also have a late 1980 magazine interview with John Lennon. The interview was privately recorded on an early camcorder during this mixing sessions for Double Fantasy. Never heard this interview referenced anywhere else but I somehow came across a copy. I wonder if Yoko knows about this existing. Unfortuantely, my copy is about 7th or 8th generation quality so it's really rough watching.

BFP

"My Death" and "Small Plot of Land" were performed acoustically(Garson/DB) finally have a date. The stem from a Sept or Oct 1995 charity at The Manhatten Center Ballroom. Here's a blurb from Rolling Stone #720 Nov 2nd 1995

<<David Bowie unveiled a pair of acoustic numbers for the likes of Heavy D, Salt-N-Pepa and Iggy Pop at the Benefit show for New York's Joseph Papp Public Theater at the Manhatten Center Ballroom>>

The one paragraph piece had a samll photo of David and Iggy(who's wearing butt-ugly orange jacket - I wish I had a scanner)

AFAIK, the date and place of these two acoustic performances was unknown. Some even wondered if it was in 94 or 96.

BFP

I have never heard about this Inner Circle, let alone been a part of it. But I can guess what it means. The inception of recordable digital media for the masses (I mean the good ol' CD-R) has made it possible for people in the "real" inner circles to make copies of unreleased material and share them with friends and friends of friends. This probably did not happen very often in the pre-CD days because a cassette tape was far from a desirable item, and copies of copies always entailed loss of quality. But a CD-R of an unreleased recording straight from the master tapes is even better than a bootleg. This is not the sort of thing you'd advertise openly, though (even if you'd love to go around bragging about it). So that's how these "inner circles" are formed.