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diamondogz74
(acolyte)
05/06/04 12:59 PM
Pleased to hear it:-) new [re: GodlessWonder]  

In reply to:

Anyway, Bowie's 80s period was never really that bad, yeah Tonight was perhaps not an error, but sheer unforgivable laziness in places, and NLMD is actually a real gem - for me more so thatn Let's Dance.


Exactly, im sick of reading that Bowies 80s period was bad, it was NOT bad, it was just different, i love both the albums "Tonight" and NLMD, i do not like Tina Turners vocals but thats another story.

People already know my opinion of "Lets Dance", but as you say, its my opinion, correct me if im wrong ? but I did not see the words IMO on E.Js post, its normal courtesy to do this, when speaking the way he did

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dukewhite
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05/06/04 01:05 PM
Re: Was David really that bad in the 80's? new [re: Emilio]  

As a child in the 80's and not yet really listening to my own music, I was at the mercy of what my parents listened to, thus I didn't really ever hear Bowie's 80's work until I was old enough to listen to special 80's nights and weekends on the local stations in my teenage years in the 90's. Had it not been for David's long-lasting 80's hits, especially the first three tracks from "Let's Dance," my non-fan knowledge of him would have been limited to the few tracks that were played (infrequently) on the classic rock station, which were primarily "Space Oddity," "Rebel Rebel," "Golden Years," "Heroes," and most of all "Changes." Not that it really mattered for me, as even hearing Bowie on the 80's shows didn't get me into him, but it did give me more familiarity when I I did come around in 2000 (wow, that doesn't seem that long ago...) and started collecting his albums.

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SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
05/06/04 01:19 PM
Re: Was David really that bad in the 80's? new [re: Emilio]  

The 80's gave us:

Bowie's take on Baal
Under Pressure
Cat People
(OST version)
Let's Dance
Modern Love
Loving The Alien
Blue Jean
This Is Not America
Absolute Beginners
Underground
As The World Fall Down
When The Wind Blows
Time Will Crawl
Never Let Me Down

and the 1988 remake of Look Back In Anger
(plus a bunch of excellent 12" remixes, but I shan't venture into that)

For the reasons listed, I'm perfectly willing to live with all the crap he did in the 80's.

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RabbitFighter
(acolyte)
05/06/04 01:26 PM
Re: Utter Nonsense new [re: GodlessWonder]  

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I actually thought that Scary Monsters was 1979, while the singles came out in 1980


The album was recorded during 1979 but as far as I know, it was released in 1980.

Sys, the list you compiled proves what i've always known. Bowie released enough interesting (and in the case of Baal, magnificent) songs to justify all the crap. For historical value i'd like to add Too Dizzy. Eradicating a perfectly fine song (atleast it's better than most of the songs on NLMD's b-side) from all future releases is something quite special...

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pablopicasso
(crash course raver)
05/06/04 02:15 PM
Re: Utter Nonsense new [re: RabbitFighter]  

Ok, I became a fan in 83, by mid 84 I had the majority of his back catalogue, Tonight was the first NEW album of Bowie's I bought, I was a little dissapointed by it, apart from this though there was nothing he released in the 80's that I didn't like. I played never let me down to death in 87 and the same with Tin machine in 89, I was dissapointed that by this time that Bowie was already distancing himself from the '87 model.

Tonight was made because EMI wanted another hit and fast, they didn't know if the new shiny Bowie was going to last and wanted to capitalise on Let's dance. That is what they got initially too, it went straight to No1 in the UK. Then rapidly dropped down.
Adam I would agree with you about Labyrinth and all the other soundtrack songs.
Rabbitfighter, I would also agree about Too dizzy, it is no worse than anything else and I cannot believe he would delete a track like this.

I never felt cheated in the 80's with bowie and bought everything as it was released. It was only in the mid 90's that I lost my way and have made up on this in the last year.

So no, Bowie was not as bad as people make out, he was not as prolific (or inventive) as he was in the 70's but then he was 10 years older, he was trying to get his muddled finances in order and needed to shift popular records.

This remark might have a hint of irony in it, or it may not.

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SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
05/06/04 02:17 PM
Re: Utter Nonsense new [re: RabbitFighter]  

Scary Monsters was released in 1980, as were the Ashes To Ashes and Fashion singles. The rest of the singles (Scary Monsters onwards) came out in 1981.

I'm not too sure about Too Dizzy, except for the comical value. Then again, it was considered in 1988 as the fourth single off NLMD. I've even seen some 12" promoes of that circulating around (though they might be fake).

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Max_M
(wild eyed peoploid)
05/06/04 02:48 PM
Re: Utter Nonsense new [re: diamondogz74]  

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So according to your opinion, the videos for "Lets Dance" and "China Girl" were good eh? what about the video's from "Tonight" and NLMD ? much more the Bowie video we've come to know and love, than those awful ones off "Lets Dance" IMO


What, even this one?











Emilio
(crash course raver)
05/06/04 03:18 PM
Re: Was David really that bad in the 80's? [re: martyn]  

"Don't forget that being a Bowie fan was just so damn cool in 1983!"

Exactly. There is something I'd like to add. Once I said that David became the most important artist of the 70's in the 80's. I guess I could also say that his 80's period became his worst ever in the 90's. DURING the 80's, anything Bowie-related was cool. When I say he was hot, I mean it. New fans were too much in awe of the whole thing to be able to assess his new albums compared to the old ones. And old fans were rather supportive of his success and all the press he was getting. Honestly, I don't remember reading one negative review of "Let's Dance", "Tonight" or "Never Let Me Down" at the time. I guess a number of factors in the early 90's contributed to the anti-80's backlash: the Ryko reissues, the Sound and Vision Tour, the CD market boom and, later on, even the Internet. But my point is that DURING the 80's, no one felt that David was going through his worst artistic period. On the contrary: his popularity made him stronger than ever. It seemed as if he could do no wrong, especially between '83 and '85.



dukewhite
(stealing for that one good rush)
05/06/04 03:24 PM
Re: Was David really that bad in the 80's? [re: Emilio]  

In reply to:

I guess a number of factors in the early 90's contributed to the anti-80's backlash: the Ryko reissues, the Sound and Vision Tour, the CD market boom and, later on, even the Internet.



Don't forget Sailor's own statements about how he'd "lost his way" in th 80's. Given most Bowie fans' tendency to take every word he says as gospel, I have a feeling that Bowie's own backlash against the pop he made in the 80's made other people reassess their own judgements of it.

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diamondogz74
(acolyte)
05/06/04 03:24 PM
Yes even that:-) [re: Max_M]  

In reply to:

What, even this one?


Yes Max, even that one, actually believe it or not! that was one of my fav videos from the 1980s, the photography was quite disturbing and violent for that time, incidently there were two versions of that video made, theres the one on BOB DVD and t'other one not shown very often, its only a little difference, its at the end where the child is with his mother playing with the spelling bricks, in the version on BOB DVD, the child spells the word "Luck" on the t'other one shown after the so-called water shed, the bricks spell the word "F**K".

And I will go even further and suggest that the song "Day In, Day Out", would not be out of place on "Reality" IMO.

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