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Debris
(grinning soul)
05/06/04 08:56 AM
Hello, You're On The Air  

Which Of The Two Has Received More Radio Play?:


Space Oddity
Changes

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I'll be adding more match ups come soon.

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Debris
(grinning soul)
05/06/04 08:57 AM
Re: Hello, You're On The Air new [re: Debris]  


Fame
Let's Dance

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Debris
(grinning soul)
05/06/04 08:58 AM
Re: Hello, You're On The Air new [re: Debris]  


Modern Love
Young Americans

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Feel free to add your own pairings.

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Dara
(acolyte)
05/06/04 09:33 AM
Re: Hello, You're On The Air new [re: Debris]  

Interesting polls.

I voted Space Oddity, Let's Dance and Modern Love. I'm pretty sure that outside of North America all three got significantly more airplay than their rivals (none of which were even top 10 singles in the UK, for example), more than enough to counterbalance the North American figures (even if the rivals got more airplay there, which is by no means certain).

Slan libh,

Dara

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EJSundayModerator
(acolyte)
05/06/04 09:41 AM
Re: Hello, You're On The Air new [re: Dara]  

Yups, I voted for the same songs. Shame we'll never know if we are right.


How about this couple:


Cat People (Soundtrack single)

This Is Not America


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Dara
(acolyte)
05/06/04 09:50 AM
Re: Hello, You're On The Air new [re: EJSunday]  

That's a touger one, but I'll guess This Is Not America by virtue of the fact that it was post-Let's Dance, and was a sizable hit on mainland Europe.

I saw the video for This Is Not America for the very first time in 1997. In Germany.

Slan libh,

Dara

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Guust
(grinning soul)
05/06/04 10:24 AM
Re: Hello, You're On The Air new [re: Dara]  

I didn't know This Is Not America had a video...
why isn't it on the BoB-DVD?

btw, how about this poll?

which one receives more airplay?


Golden Years vs. Fashion
Golden Years
Fashion

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AdamAdministrator
(acolyte)
05/06/04 10:30 AM
Australia and Bowie new [re: EJSunday]  

All songs in the first three polls get wide airplay in Australia.

Let's Dance more than Fame.

Space Oddity (I believe) more than Changes.

Modern Love more than Young Americans (but I'm less sure about this - they might be pretty even).

As for EJ's poll, neither of those songs get played anymore as radio is bent on providing the most conservative playlists possible.

I have only recently come to the understanding that Cat People (Putting Out Fire) was a notable hit in it's day. My brother in law has fond memories of hearing that song a lot back in University and the parties he attended then.

Now the most obscure Bowie songs I have ever heard on radio are 'You Can't Talk' by Tin Machine, 'Some Are' by Philip Glass and 'Success' by Iggy Pop. But you'd only hear that on trippy stations like PBS or RRR or in the case of Glass I think it was a classical music station.

Of course when JJJ had their 3 or 4 hour special on Bowie around 1996, they also dug up some obscurities and rarities but that is for another conversation.




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Dara
(acolyte)
05/06/04 10:39 AM
Re: Hello, You're On The Air new [re: Guust]  

In reply to:

I didn't know This Is Not America had a video...
why isn't it on the BoB-DVD?


Maybe because Bowie's not actually in it (it's just clips from the movie, IIRC).

Your poll is the toughest one yet. In fact, so tough I can't decide, so I'll put off voting until there's a bit of discussion. I guess it comes down to how much airplay Golden Years got at the time in the US, and whether this compensates for the larger amount of airplay Fashion almost certainly got everywhere else. Was Golden Years a big radio hit in the US at the time?

Slan libh,

Dara


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EJSundayModerator
(acolyte)
05/06/04 10:50 AM
Fashionable Cats and Golden Falcons new [re: Adam]  

"This Is Not America" reached a # 5 in the German single charts and stayed top ten for an impressive 9 weeks and top 20 for 13 weeks. From the data I have it was Bowie's second biggest single hit ever here, only beaten by "Let's Dance". The song is still to be heard once in a while on radio stations here in Germany. As it probably was similarily successful in other parts of the world in post Let's Dance times I agree with Dara that it got more airplay than "Cat People".

"Cat People" has completely disappered from the airwaves here. Shame.

In the "Golden Years" vs. "Fashion" case I would suspect that the latter was the bigger cracker. But then again I am only guessing.

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kingsteved
(crash course raver)
05/06/04 11:10 AM
Re: Fashionable Cats and Golden Falcons new [re: EJSunday]  

Space oddity got very little airplay where I grew up, but Changes got a lot of airplay, so I picked changes. Let's Dance was on the air a lot more than Fame, though Fame did reach number one in the US. Golden Years reached number 5 n the USA, and it seems to me it got more airplay than Fashion did. This Is Not America must have done reasonably well because I remember it getting a lot of airplay. Cat People received less airplay here. Modern Love is still played quite often and I would guess it received more than Young Americans. If I remember correctly, Young Americans got as high as number 28 on the Billboard charts.



dukewhite
(stealing for that one good rush)
05/06/04 12:32 PM
Re: Hello, You're On The Air new [re: Debris]  

I can only speak from my own experience as a radio listener from 1982 onwards, but I know for a fact that "Changes" is more often played in the US than "Space Oddity," and after "Fame"'s initial ride to no. 1 here, it gets much less play than "Let's Dance." I don't think I've ever heard "Young Americans" on the radio, but I know I've heard "Modern Love." "Fashion" and "Golden Years" is a close contest, but I think it's got to be "Modern Love," again based on my own experience. The other question doesn't apply because none of them are ever on the radio here.

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ShakingMan
(absolute beginner)
05/06/04 03:10 PM
Re: Hello, You're On The Air new [re: dukewhite]  

When Fame was initially released it was on the radio all the time. So vote FAME!



power2charm
(stardust savant)
05/06/04 08:13 PM
You've got the hook new [re: Dara]  

In the US, Space Oddity gets a lot more airplay than Changes on the album rock and oldies stations. After all, it was a hit!

Fame vs. LD is an interesting one. Both songs were #1s in the US. But I never hear Let's Dance on the 80s pop stations. China Girl and Modern Love absolutely trounce LD there, probably cos they are shorter and have more arc to them. Fame also misses out on radio play cos it's a bit too far removed from classic "oldies" fare, and not quite disco enough for disco radio. But by a hair I believe Fame gets more airplay than Let's Dance.

Modern Love, China Girl and Space Oddity are the Bowie songs that get the most US airplay, so ML over YA was also a cinch, though YA does manage to get played here and there. In fact, on oldies stations that will play stuff through the mid-70s you are as likely to hear YA as you are to hear Fame.

EJ and Gusst, you showed bad manners to append additional polls to Debris' thread, however, I will only ignore your poll, EJ, cos the songs in it are both nonentities in the US (though America might have scraped into the top 40 for a week on Sean Penn's brill bad-boy looks). Guust's poll is more interesting in that it again brings out the no-man's land where late 70's songs hang and bang - I never hear Fashion on the radio. Golden Years gets very occasional airplay, so it wins my vote.

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Odinsdracodottir
(wild eyed peoploid)
05/06/04 10:40 PM
Generic Radio? new [re: Debris]  

Seems all of our Top 40 American (pop & rock) stations had similar playlists as all of my votes matched the majority. As for "This Is Not America" I can remember seeing it on MTV way back in 1985. Bowie was in it for brief spots of singing and posing, but most of it was clips from the movie as someone else stated above.

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wannabebowie
(kook)
05/07/04 02:38 AM
Re: Hello, You're On The Air new [re: Dara]  

In reply to:

Was Golden Years a big radio hit in the US at the time?


Absolutely, Dara, Golden Years got a lot of radio airplay, at least on the west coast of the US. Coming off Fame and Young Americans they carried on playing Bowie. (it was only with Low that the airplay slowed down). This was much to the chagrin of the rock'n'rollers who said Bowie had gone "Disco", as Golden Years would be played by the pop and top 40 stations since the FM "heavy rock" stations would never play disco!




EJSundayModerator
(acolyte)
05/07/04 03:29 AM
A Bit Of Lazy Reading On p2c's Side new [re: power2charm]  

In reply to:

EJ and Gusst, you showed bad manners to append additional polls to Debris' thread


p2c you showed bad manners in not reading Debri's innaugural posts propperly. Otherwise you would have found the line "Feel free to add your own pairings" there. Excuses will be accepted.

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poorsoul
(acolyte)
05/07/04 03:49 AM
Olive new [re: Guust]  

In reply to:

I didn't know This Is Not America had a video...why isn't it on the BoB-DVD?



Probably for the same reason that Under Pressure, When The Wind Blows, Real Cool World and the Tin Machine videos aren't - Bowie (most likely) doesn't own the exclusive rights to them as they all involve either other musicians or film footage that he might not be able to get clearance for for commerical release.

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power2charm
(stardust savant)
05/07/04 06:19 AM
I'm gonna turn on you! new [re: EJSunday]  

In reply to:

p2c you showed bad manners in not reading Debris innaugural posts properly.


Actually, Debris showed bad manners in not giving his signature in a different font or otherwise formatting it so that I wouldn't mix up his post from his sig.

Debris, you are on probation, you punk!

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Kirk
(acolyte)
05/07/04 06:59 AM
not giving his signature in a different font new [re: power2charm]  

I say it is and it's true

Debris
(grinning soul)
05/07/04 08:25 AM
Probation?...Punk?... new [re: power2charm]  

Exactly how long is this probation, cause I have a date with a human female tonight, and I can't stress enough about how badly I need this.

Oh, and is this better? I am sorry about that.

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SoulLoveChild
(stardust savant)
05/07/04 08:43 AM
you big bully new [re: power2charm]  

Pathetic excuse charmless, you were in the wrong fair and square with your 'accusations'.
Debris is off probation and getting some tonight - off you go, lad.


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Debris
(grinning soul)
05/07/04 02:06 PM
"This hair gave me confidence, and almost sex" new [re: SoulLoveChild]  

WOOO!!

I'm off. But not before I leave one more poll.


"Heroes"
The Man Who Sold The World (Nirvana Version)

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This might end up being another one sided poll, but that's alright. My mind seemS to bE fiXated on something else.

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dukewhite
(stealing for that one good rush)
05/07/04 02:07 PM
Re: Olive new [re: poorsoul]  

In reply to:

Bowie (most likely) doesn't own the exclusive rights to them as they all involve either other musicians or film footage that he might not be able to get clearance for for commerical release.



Yet the same is not true for "Underground" or "Dancin' in the Streets"...

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poorsoul
(acolyte)
05/08/04 08:04 AM
Sunshine new [re: dukewhite]  

And As The World Falls Down. The fact that he not only starred in that movie but wrote half the soundtrack, though, probably allowed him more slack. I also forgot The Drowned Girl, though that probably exposes a problem in my logic considering he also starred in the BBC production from which the music was taken. As for Dancing In The Streets, it was for charity.

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bowiefanpeter
(acolyte)
05/08/04 08:09 AM
Re: Sunshine new [re: poorsoul]  

I'm assuming that Bowie owns the full control to the Baal material and the Drowned Girl video. What does the new Boxset say about about the Baal copyrights?

BFP



AdamAdministrator
(acolyte)
05/08/04 08:21 AM
BBC new [re: bowiefanpeter]  

Some time in the last year, we had a registered user who claimed to work for the BBC and could possibly get some of that stuff released - or at least he was going to try. Can anyone find the thread?

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Odinsdracodottir
(wild eyed peoploid)
05/08/04 08:47 PM
Re: Sunshine new [re: poorsoul]  

"As The World Falls Down" is included in the 1993 video collection. My guess is different collections simply include different songs.

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poorsoul
(acolyte)
05/09/04 02:18 AM
Renal new [re: Odinsdracodottir]  

In reply to:

"As The World Falls Down" is included in the 1993 video collection.



That's what I was saying, although in reference to the Best Of Bowie DVD. The Video Collection also left out those other clips.

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Odinsdracodottir
(wild eyed peoploid)
05/11/04 02:46 AM
Re: Renal new [re: poorsoul]  

True. Is there such a thing as a complete video collection?

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poorsoul
(acolyte)
05/11/04 03:45 AM
Corn new [re: Odinsdracodottir]  

In reply to:

Is there such a thing as a complete video collection?



Not when it comes to Bowie. Excluding live material (released or not), Tin Machine and the videos already mentioned, I know there are a few alternate clips that also weren't included on the DVD, specifically for Life On Mars? (the "nonbleached" version), Jump They Say (featuring slightly different scenes, although I wonder if this version might just be an edit) and possibly Survive, though I'll have to check that one.

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Dara
(acolyte)
05/11/04 06:49 AM
Re: Corn new [re: poorsoul]  

There's also a "dance version remix" of Little Wonder (and possibly others of that era).

Slan libh,

Dara

So Levi's are called Levi's because the guy's name was Levi Strauss? Why didn't they call them strousers? - Fiona O'Kearney 6/5/2004

SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
05/11/04 07:54 AM
Subject new [re: Dara]  

On the subject, based on what I've heard on the radio:

Space Oddity, definately, I've heard it a dozen times and Changes only once.
Let's Dance, again definately, though with a smaller margin.
Young Americans, I think.
Never heard either Cat People ot This Is Not America on the radio,
Golden Years, I don't think I've ever heard Fashion on the radio, and
"Heroes" as I've never heard the Nirvana TMWSTW on the radio either. And I'm nost happy about it.

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SoulLoveChild
(stardust savant)
05/11/04 07:57 AM
Corny new [re: Dara]  

Rage have also shown a few times the Pretty Pink Rose video - with Bowie and Belew and a gypsy lady. I don't think I've seen it on any db vid collection.

And Aussie commercial stations often show a live version of Ziggy Stardust from the 78 tour though I never see it anywhere else except on Saturday morning tv when I don't have a video handy


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SoulLoveChild
(stardust savant)
05/11/04 08:04 AM
Re: Subject new [re: Sysiyo]  

Space O, Changes, LD, and Golden Years all get reasonable airplay on golden oldie stations in Australia. Not "Heroes" very much.

JJJ still play Nirvana's MWSTW on occasion and Wallflowers version of "Heroes" still gets airplay on popular stations, much to my disgust.

I've never heard Cat People on radio and I think This Is Not America only got a few airings at the time of it's release. Jeez the Falcon and The Snowman was a great movie, it's taken everyone so long to realise what a great actor Sean Penn is - he was awesome back then. But in those days he's was generally known as "the aggro Mr Madonna".


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poorsoul
(acolyte)
05/12/04 01:30 AM
Woop new [re: Dara]  

In reply to:

There's also a "dance version remix" of Little Wonder (and possibly others of that era).



Do you know if it features different footage or is it like Seven Years In Tibet on the DVD?

I also just discovered that there are two versions of John, I'm Only Dancing. I have a copy on tape which ends with a rotating close-up of Bowie's head which alternates between front and rear shots, as opposed to the final shot of the band. I think it might even feature the original recording but, again, I'll have to check that.

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Dara
(acolyte)
05/12/04 05:39 AM
Re: Woop new [re: poorsoul]  

In reply to:

Do you know if it features different footage or is it like Seven Years In Tibet on the DVD?


I only saw it once or twice (on MTV Dance), and not even completely (channel surfing), so I can't be sure. What I saw looked like a remix (in visual terms). That is to say, it used the same footage, but differently sequenced to match the dance remix. There may have been a clip or two that wasn't used in the shorter (main) version, but certainly it didn't look significantly different.

Slan leat,

Dara

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