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RabbitFighter
(acolyte)
05/18/04 07:24 AM
Re: To recap: new [re: Dara]  

In reply to:

By that stage, most artists, even the great ones, are already washed up.


Tell that to Jarvis Cocker.

The God you love is gone
He lies broken by your shame
The thing that took his place already died


pablopicasso
(cracked actor)
05/18/04 07:27 AM
Re: To recap: new [re: RabbitFighter]  

There are always exceptions which prove the rule.

Believe everything I say,especially the lies.



EJSundayModerator
(acolyte)
05/18/04 07:32 AM
Weird Scenes Inside The TW Mine new [re: Earthling on Fire]  

In reply to:

the truly great artists named in this thread all end up in the first group


Exactly my thought.

And Tristan, how about giving the first five Uriah Heep albums a run?



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In the madness that calls 'now'


AdamAdministrator
(acolyte)
05/18/04 09:18 AM
Beatles Part II new [re: RabbitFighter]  

There is only one other artist I consider to have a longer gestation period than Bowie and that is The Beatles. So continuing this battle to the end:

Rubber Soul versus Aladdin Sane
Average opener (Drive My Car, Watch that Man) followed by stunning second track (Aladdin Sane, Norweigen Wood). Bowie tromps them on the closer (Lady Grinning Soul, Run for Your Life) but the in-between parts are the near equal of each other. This is near enough to a tie and only the diehard fans of either band will be able to entertain that one is far better than the other. Tie.

Bowie 4.5
Beatles 1.5

Revolver versus Pin Ups
A covers album versus one of the most popular and creative of all time. No need to consider this any further. Beatles win.

Bowie 4.5
Beatles 2.5

Sgt Peppers versus Diamond Dogs

Two of the most creative and conceptual albums by both artists pitted against each other. The subjective approach might be to choose a favourite here but objectively this can only be a tie.

Bowie: 5
Beatles: 3

Magical Mysery Tour versus Young Americans

Seven of the eleven tracks on this Beatles album are such staples of classic rock that it's hard to assess this as an album as much as a collection of singles. But the collection of parts is too strong for Bowie on this occasion and Young Americans although great - is simply not as good as it's predecessor or it's follow up.

Bowie: 5
Beatles: 4

Getting even now.

White Album versus Station to Station

This is the formidable Battle of the Great Whites. In terms of sheer quantity, The Beatles deserve this for pulling off a double album but then Bowie started giving half his material to Iggy Pop around this time, so call it a tie. (Side note: I'm in two minds here whether to divert and INCLUDE the Iggy albums seeing the Bowie/Pop partnership would be interestingly pitted against Lennon/McCartney for the next two).

Bowie: 5.5
Beatles: 4.5

Yellow Submarine versus Low
The synchronicity of some of these comparisons is near astounding because right here, both artists provide Side 1 of vocals and Side 2 of instrumentals. If Bowie didn't take Side 1 (which he does), then his skills as a composer ironically outshine the classically trained George Martin on Side 2. Bowie regains his two album lead.

Bowie: 6.5
Beatles: 4.5

Abbey Road versus "Heroes"
I would probably give the personal nod to Abbey Road but I will be objective and say that "Heroes" is equal in it's greatness especially seeing these are a near-tie and both are considered among the artist's peaks. Tie.

Bowie: 7
Beatles: 5

Let It Be versus Lodger
Ditto the previous album but in reverse. Tie.

Bowie: 7.5
Beatles: 5.5

Plastic Ono Band versus Scary Monsters
1970 versus 1980. Two of the greatest master pieces by either artist fighting against one another. I might take Lennon but realistically this is near enough to a tie.

Bowie: 8
Lennon/Beatles: 6

Imagine versus Let's Dance
Another interesting synchronicity. Both albums are the weaker and more commericial follow ups to the previous. Some of the artistes most popular radio songs derive from here - their 15th albums - but both albums are not without filler. Again, this is near enough to a tie.

Bowie: 8.5
Lennon/Beatles: 6.5

Sometime in New York City versus Tonight
I am not that versed in this Lennon album but I have heard enough to form some opinion. Moreover, I've read enough reviews to see that it's the worst his ever made. And of course, ditto to Bowie. Synchronicity again. Tie.

Bowie: 9
Beatles/Lennon: 7

Mind Games versus Never Let Me Down
Both artists had some kind of redemption in mind with this release but neither quite achieved it. Nothing rises to exceptional apart from perhaps Lennon's title track and I think that will turn the tides back to JL. (Side note: Even if this wasn't a clear victory to Lennon, I propose that I am quite the asshole for tieing Let's Dance with Imagine anyway). When all is said and done, Lennon probably deserves another point here (although Bowie's soundtrack work of this era unfortunately gets sadly missed because it wasn't on an album proper).

Bowie: 9
Beatles/Lennon: 8

Getting closer.

Walls and Bridges versus Tin Machine
And now the battle of the 'lost weekend' albums. I'd say they are both as good/bad as each other. Tie.

Bowie: 9.5
Beatles/Lennon: 8.5

Rock n Roll versus Tin Machine II
Controversially, I am going for Tin Machine II here. Essentially, I think it has more to offer than this covers albums of sucky 50 songs. (Side note: Let's face it - most 50s songs are sucky anyway and I really wish both Lennon and McCartney would avoid these silly nostalgic excursions).

Bowie: 10.5
Beatles/Lennon: 8.5

Black Tie White Noise versus Double Fantasy
The 'comeback albums' conveniantly pitted against each other. This is a hard choice as half of both albums were essentially poor (in Lennon's case it was the Ono half). I'll probably have to call this a tie.

Bowie: 11
Lennon: 9

So pretty even overall I would say. Lennon of course loses out on the posthumous albums but then Milk and Honey and Menlove Avenue were neither fully complete or realised as proper albums.

And in the end the love you make is equal to the fact that Lennon is dead and Bowie is still going. It would have been interesting to see if he had of made an Outside.



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Earthling on Fire
(electric tomato)
05/18/04 10:27 AM
Re: Sky new [re: RabbitFighter]  

In reply to:

I considered both Bolan and Numan but poor Bowie would have been torn to pieces.


Same here (about Bolan).
Actually, Marc released 4 Tyrannosaurus Rex albums and 1 T.Rex album between 1968 and 1970 (all of them good and consistently getting better), while David Bowie released his five first albums at a much slower pace, between 1697 and 1972, by which date Bolan had put out Electric Warrior and The Slider. My point is that the comparison would have been slightly irrelevant.

Wear your wound with honour.

RabbitFighter
(acolyte)
05/18/04 10:35 AM
Re: Sky new [re: Earthling on Fire]  

Foe Bowie's defence i've got to say that he would have wiped the floor with Marc if it had gone beyond the five first albums.
That's the very reason I decided to choose Jethro Tull. The albums were released roughly at the same time.

The God you love is gone
He lies broken by your shame
The thing that took his place already died


dukewhite
(stealing for that one good rush)
05/18/04 11:07 AM
Re: Beatles Part II new [re: Adam]  

I don't think it's quite fair to obly judge post-Beatles work on one of the members. Admittedly, you're not going to get a large enough body of work to compare with Ringo, but Paul was arguably just as driving a force for the Beatles creatively as Lennon was, and he definitely produced enough work in the 70's and 80's to compete with Bowie in terms of prolific careers.

In reply to:

Why is it that, with the only exception of The Who, the truly great artists named in this thread all end up in the first group, i.e. those declared not as good as Bowie?



The question was not which artist is better, but who produced a better first five albums. My battle of The Cure, for example, just shows that Bowie had a better first five albums, but I think, like Adam said for the Beatles, that they hit their peak after more than five, with Disentigration, Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me, and Wish.

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Dara
(acolyte)
05/18/04 11:11 AM
Re: Beatles Part II [re: dukewhite]  

In reply to:

I don't think it's quite fair to obly judge post-Beatles work on one of the members.


Conversely, how fair is it to compare the career of a solo artist like Bowie to a band with 4 members, all of whom wrote?

Slan libh,

Dara

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AdamAdministrator
(acolyte)
05/18/04 12:11 PM
The power of four men [re: Dara]  

Not very fair at all, but then Bowie is the 'mortal with potential of a superman' among them.

Mind you, I considered continuing the battle of positioning Bowie albums against the solo albums of both Lennon and McCartney at the same time but the latter is such a pointless retard post 1970 that I would have only been wasting time.

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AdamAdministrator
(acolyte)
05/18/04 12:16 PM
Slow down, you're taking me over [re: Earthling on Fire]  

In reply to:

David Bowie released his five first albums at a much slower pace


I don't know what the situation was with Bolan but prior to RCA, Bowie found it hard to secure a record deal and this probably meant that many an album was never released (I can count atleast four of five from that period).

Post RCA was another matter as Bowie managed to release Hunky and Ziggy and produce Reed and Mott all within about 9 months of each other.


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