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Earthling on Fire
(electric tomato)
05/18/04 12:45 PM
Re: Beatles Part II new [re: dukewhite]  

In reply to:

The question was not which artist is better, but who produced a better first five albums.


You're quite right.
I myself compared Bowie's five first albums to those of artists I consider as major and Bowie came a winner in both cases.
I still find the fact that better artists did less well than mediocre ones, although not contradictory, puzzling.

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dukewhite
(stealing for that one good rush)
05/18/04 12:45 PM
Re: Slow down, you're taking me over new [re: Adam]  

In reply to:

Bowie found it hard to secure a record deal and this probably meant that many an album was never released (I can count atleast four of five from that period).



You mean singles, right? I am not aware of any LP's that weren't released, save Toy in 2001.

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AdamAdministrator
(acolyte)
05/18/04 01:09 PM
The Unreleased Albums new [re: dukewhite]  

Believe it or not, I did mean albums. I am gradually stockpiling info on Bowie's unreleased and unrealised albums - essentially everything from rumour level right up until confirmed existence by reliable sources. What I can tell you, for instance, is that a second Deram album was planned for release in 1968 and an entire cycle of songs were already written for it (I have the titles, just not with me right now). This is different from another album Bowie completed in 68 (Ernie Johson - a 'concept album' that apparantly pre-dates 'Tommy') that came up for auction several years ago. Bowie's bedroom in Ken Pitt's flat was forever full of recording tape. He also had another collection of unheard covers which were intended for a cabaret act that never eventuated. It is still uncertain whether these songs were recorded or not but Ernie Johnson, for instance, was only believed to be a 'playlet' until we heard otherwise. According to Pitt, each song of this cabaret was to interspersed with sound-effect tapes especially made by David and appropriately introducing the song that followed (it should also be noted that at least two of these songs are already known to exist elsewhere as legit recordings):

1. On the Other Side of the Tracks
2. America
3. Trains, Boats and Planes
4. I Can't Get Used to Losing You
5. Nobody Needs Your Love
6. Dat Dere
7. Sunny
8. Going Back
9. The Joker
10. It's Alright With Me
11. I Dig Everything
12. What Kind of Fool Am I

Other rumoured albums from this period are the bridging album between Hunky and Ziggy (although the existence of this is unlikely according to Ken Scott, Bowie was writing and demoing songs almost constantly and he had access to his own private studio in the basement of Haddon Hall). Arnold Corns also had quite a bit of material and I believe there were plans for an album. Feathers, I am not sure but I would have to consult my references. That is all I recall for the moment.


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RabbitFighter
(acolyte)
05/18/04 01:18 PM
Re: The Unreleased Albums new [re: Adam]  

In reply to:

the bridging album between Hunky and Ziggy


Wasn't Shadowman supposedly from these sessions?

The God you love is gone
He lies broken by your shame
The thing that took his place already died


AdamAdministrator
(acolyte)
05/18/04 01:25 PM
Re: The Unreleased Albums new [re: RabbitFighter]  

Possibly. According to Mike Harvey's 5years.com, it was recorded on three separate occasions. It was originally titled "The Man" and recorded at Haddon Hall in May 1970 and later on 23rd April 1971 which may have been the most likely candidate for The Bridging Album. A third version was recorded at Trident Studios on 14 September 1971 and that one was intended for Ziggy Stardust.

Bridging Album, The: A planned untitled album which never eventuated. According to a 1972 radio interview with Bowie, it was supposed to occur between HUNKY DORY (1971) and THE RISE AND FALL OF ZIGGY STARDUST AND THE SPIDERS FROM MARS (1972) and include the songs He's A Goldmine / Bombers / Starman / Round and Round / Something Happens.

Oh and the name of Arnold Corns album was Looking for Rudi (referring to the lead singer Rudi Valentino).



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hRtsfLtyleSn56
(grinning soul)
05/18/04 03:34 PM
Re: In the Beginning: Rating the first 5 albums new [re: Adam]  

Hunky Dory is better than Beatles for sale any day. Most of the Beatles' songs in the beginning were all the same sounding. Bowie is better.

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Tristan
(acolyte)
05/18/04 04:42 PM
Help me Trendy. new [re: EJSunday]  

In reply to:

[Earthling on Fire] Why is it that, with the only exception of The Who, the truly great artists named in this thread all end up in the first group, i.e. those declared not as good as Bowie?


And…

In reply to:

[Adam] That's because a lot of TWers don't know what they're talking about.
For me, Gabriel is the only great artist of the second group.


A lot of you people wouldn't know a great artist if she bit you on the ass. Of course David Gilmour, Lindsey Kemp and Peter Gabriel, just to name a few, knew the importance of Kate Bush (one of those people listed in that second group).
Some stats. March 7, 1978 "Wuthering Heights" makes number one. March 8, 1978 The Daily Express wrote "Wuthering Wonderful", the paper spouting that newcomer Kate Bush had dislodged Abba (take that, Dara) from the top slot. It stayed at number one for 4 weeks. Her second single "The Man With The Child In His Eyes" climbed from a debut of number 60 to the top 10 within a matter of weeks. Her first album, The Kick Inside, remained in the UK top twenty 6 months after its release. Kate was voted the Best New Artist of 1978 in the Record Mirror National Poll. Kate’s record sales for 1978 were astounding. She was the seventh best selling LP artist, while The Kick Inside was the tenth best selling album of the year. “Wuthering Heights” clocked in as the eleventh best selling single of the year. In 1979 Kate was awarded the Best Female Singer Award for the second year running at the Melody Maker Annual Poll Awards dinner at London’s Waldorf Hotel.
Enough. Do your own home-work.

In reply to:

[EJSunday] And Tristan, how about giving the first five Uriah Heep albums a run?


Even though I haven't listened to those albums in over 25, maybe longer, years; the 5 albums they released between 1970 and 1972 probably are as good or better than what Bowie did in the same '70 to '72 time frame, granted that was Uriah Heeps peak as a band.
One of these days I'll go through all those boxes of albums that are in storage, hook up the old turn-table and re-live my youth. Get yourself a plane ticket and come on over, EJ. You know you want to.


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EJSundayModerator
(acolyte)
05/18/04 05:02 PM
A Return To Fantasy [re: Tristan]  

That would be a hell of a blast.

And I want to believe
In the madness that calls 'now'


SoulLoveChild
(stardust savant)
05/18/04 06:19 PM
Re: A Return To Fantasy [re: EJSunday]  

In reply to:

while David Bowie released his five first albums at a much slower pace, between 1697 and 1972,


My, that was a slow pace indeed

Seriously though, it's been well documented that Bowie was always competitively jealous of Bolan and the way his talent and career soared much quicker than his own in the early days.

In reply to:

but Paul was arguably just as driving a force for the Beatles creatively as Lennon was, and he definitely produced enough work in the 70's and 80's to compete with Bowie in terms of prolific careers.


But 'prolific' does not always mean 'good' and except for a few tracks from Band On The Run, macca was not fab post-Beatles at all Even Elton John would be able to give Bowie a better run for his money (Yellow Brick Road era, you can forget the fucking Croc Rock) than McCartney.


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JonnyManic
(stardust savant)
05/18/04 09:25 PM
you knew it was coming... [re: Adam]  

David Bowie Vs Manic Street Preachers

1. David Bowie Vs Generation Terrorists: Despite favourably reappraisng Bowie's debut recently, it can't hold a candle to an album that, whilst patchy, includes some of the greatest rock tracks of the 90s. "Motorcycle Emptiness", "You Love Us", "Stay Beautiful"... The politico-punk of the clash melded with a Guns N Roses aesthetic pretty much batters Bowie's musichall offering.

Bowie: 0, Manics: 1

2. Space Oddity Vs Gold Against The Soul: Whilst Bowie took a big step with his second album, the MAnics went AOR radio-friendly with theirs. Aimed at the American market, it failed despite a handful of excellent tracks, notably "From Despair To Where" and "Life Becoming A Landslide".

Bowie: 1, Manics: 1

3. The Man Who Sold The World Vs The Holy Bible: Bowie's third offering is a real stormer with no real faults and his first truly remarkable song in the shape of "Width Of A Circle". However, it just cannot compete with one of the greatest records ever recorded. Non-stop righteous anger and stripped down riffs, The Manics sail through this round...

Bowie: 1, Manics: 2

4. Hunky Dory Vs Everything Must Go: The first difficult decsion, we've got two albums that show a great progression from their predecessor. Although The Manics have four great singles and album tracks like "Elvis Impersonator, Blackpool Pier" and "Small Black Flowers That Grow In The Sky" on side, the consistency of Hunky Dory just pips them at the post.

Bowie: 2, Manics: 2

5. Ziggy Stardust Vs This Is My Truth, Tell Me Yours: Bowie again sneaks through by a whisker. The Manics' 5th offering, despite some incredible songs in the shape of "My Little Empire" and "Ready For Drowning" just can't match the quality (and, lets face it, reputation) of Bowie's popular masterpiece.

Bowie: 3, Manics: 2

Tough call on the last two, it could have gone either way. Either of the last two would have battered Space Oddity, but that's the way the cookie crumbles!

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