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PHOENIX
(stardust savant)
07/09/04 09:22 AM
The Album Ratings  

This surely must have come up before - but what the hell. I was thinking to myself, the ratings (out of 5) for albums, which can be voted for on this site, give out some interesting results. Perhaps they are a fairly accurate reflection of a broad base of Bowie fans. Especially since they have been anonymous and submitted over a long period of time.

Ziggy Stardust (1972) - 4.72
Low (1977) - 4.70
Station to Station (1976) - 4.66
Scary Monsters (1980) - 4.64
Diamond Dogs (1974) - 4.62
Hunky Dory (1971) - 4.61
1. Outside (1995) - 4.60
Heathen (2001) - 4.60
Earthling (1997) - 4.48
Lodger (1979) - 4.47
"Heroes" (1977) - 4.45
Aladdin Sane (1972) - 4.44
hours... (1999) - 4.37
The Man Who Sold The World (1971) - 4.33
The Buddha of Suburbia (1993) - 4.02

Young Americans (1975) - 3.84
Space Oddity (Man of Words Man of Music) (1969) - 3.80
Tin Machine (1989) - 3.80
Black Tie White Noise - 3.79
Reality (2003) - 3.62
Pin Ups (1973) - 3.54
Lets Dance (1983) - 3.53
Tin Machine II (1991) - 3.50
David Bowie (1967) - 3.23
Never Let Me Down (1987) - 2.48
Tonight (1984) - 2.46

I arbitrarily decided that rankings of 4 and above deserve being in bold, indicating that all of us as a whole decided these are the classic Bowie albums.

He had a great run up until Ziggy Stardust, each album getting a higher ranking than the last. Aladdin Sane was a slight dropoff, but still a classic. Diamond Dogs was a return to form. Pin Ups was a mistake and Young Americans not roundly loved.

The shit really hits the fan around Lets Dance, but I was really amazed at how low Tonight and Never Let Me Down were ranked. According to us they are the worst Bowie albums by a long stretch, even dipping below his cutesy debut. Those two really have a fight on their hands for worst ever.

Tin Machine outranks Tin Machine II which surprises me. Buddha of Suburbia signalled his first classic album for 13 years. From then on they were all classics until Reality.

Now Reality is a special case. Since this site has gone into a coma voting has dropped off almost completely, so if you think Reality is a classic, then go and vote for it. A few votes could have a considerable effect going by how many votes it has so far.

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Dara
(acolyte)
07/09/04 09:49 AM
Re: The Album Ratings new [re: PHOENIX]  

Interesting post. Hours a classic? That's a controversial view judging by this and other Bowie boards. Perhaps that is down to the fact that it came out around the "last days of TW" (the last days when this site was active and very much the centre of the Bowie universe online). Lots of people voted, but because the album was still new, they perhaps hadn't time to be totally objective about it. In fact, I'd suggest that's a factor in why the albums between Outside and Heathen get such high votes - most people voted on them fairly quickly after they were released, whereas with the older albums, they had 10 or 20 years to think about it and be influenced by fan and critical consensus.

Look at the number who voted for each album. As I write this, it's:

Buddha 185 (relatively low, reflecting the album's obscurity, and release before the fanbase got online or this site even existed)
Outside 481 (big spike up, reflecting the fact that the Bowie online community was really getting going around 1995, and this album had a special place in the affections of many of these "first online generation" fans)
Earthling 388 (down a tad on Outside, but still high. This was probably the first "new" Bowie album a lot of fans voted on while brand new)
Hours 153 (down a lot, indicating the shift away from TW had already started in earnest)
Heathen 5 (so low the rating is almost meaningless, I suggest. If the next two people to vote decided to give it a 1, that would bring the rating craching down to 3.57)
Reality 16 (a bit better than the 5 for Heathen, but still too small a sample).

Slan libh,

Dara




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schizophrenic
(crash course raver)
07/09/04 12:00 PM
Re: The Album Ratings new [re: PHOENIX]  

I actually think it's pretty cool that Earthling and 'hours...' have joined the ranks of established Bowie classics. It's always nice to have something unpredictable thrown in.

Bowie like burning.

PHOENIX
(stardust savant)
07/09/04 10:27 PM
Re: The Album Ratings new [re: Dara]  

In reply to:

Heathen 5 (so low the rating is almost meaningless, I suggest. If the next two people to vote decided to give it a 1, that would bring the rating craching down to 3.57)


Woah. I was keeping an eye on the total votes cast, but I missed that one. When I saw Reality's 16 votes I thought the ranking for that was worthless statistically, but Heathens low voting rate (5 votes in three years!) makes it a real oddity.

Anyway, I'm interested enough to do the songs on the albums also. This time a 4.50+ score denotes a classic song (if it was 4 there would probably be 150-200 classics which devalues the 'classic' title)

David Bowie

Love You Till Tuesday - 4.10 (58)
When I Live My Dream - 4.04 (47)
Please Mr Gravedigger - 3.96 (47)
Rubber Band - 3.86 (42)
She's Got Medals - 3.66 (32)
Little Bombadier - 3.64 (28)
Maid Of Bond Street - 3.62 (32)
Sell Me a Coat - 3.53 (32)
Silly Boy Blue - 3.46 (24)
We Are Hungry Men - 3.39 (33)
Uncle Arthur - 3.20 (45)
There is a Happy Land - 3.20 (30)
Come and Buy My Toys - 3.09 (32)
Join The Gang - 3.00 (28)

Bracketed numbers are total votes cast.

I always knew Please Mr Gravedigger was popular amongst his early songs. Love You Till Tuesday is pleasant to listen to but surprised me taking out the top spot. No song made it to classic status however, but there are no real clunkers (songs under 3.00) although Join The Gang made it very close. In fact if someone went and gave it a vote below three right now it would drop to clunker status.

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PHOENIX
(stardust savant)
07/09/04 10:41 PM
Space Oddity (Man of Words/Music) new [re: PHOENIX]  

Cygnet Committee - 4.72 (112)
Space Oddity - 4.71 (232)
Conversation Piece - 4.54 (24)
Wild Eyed Boy From Freecloud - 4.50 (58)

Memory of a Free Festival - 4.23 (69)
Letter to Hermione - 4.21 (39)
Unwashed and Somewhat Slightly Dazed - 4.14 (70)
An Occasional Dream - 3.98 (51)
Janine - 3.87 (39)
God Knows I'm Good - 3.75 (32)
Don't Sit Down - 2.96 (46)

I was more than surprised to see Cygnet Committee come out first, beating Space Oddity. 4 classic songs in this album and I agree with all of them although I'd put Cygnet Committee 4th out of those in my personal list.

It doesn't take a genius to predict Don't Look Down to score lowly.

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PHOENIX
(stardust savant)
07/09/04 10:56 PM
The Man Who Sold The World new [re: PHOENIX]  

The Man Who Sold The World - 4.72 (148)
All The Madmen - 4.70 (138)
The Width of a Circle - 4.63 (95)

Saviour Machine - 4.33 (63)
After All - 4.32 (57)
Black Country Rock - 4.29 (78)
The Supermen - 4.25 (60)
Holy Holy - 4.20 (56)
She Shook Me Cold - 3.84 (56)
Running Gun Blues - 3.70 (54)
Lightning Frightening - 3.46 (35)

He probably should have left Running Gun Blues off this album and put Holy Holy in instead. I thought All the Madmen would come out on top. It was very close.

Only 3 classic songs on this album - but they are all brilliant.

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PHOENIX
(stardust savant)
07/09/04 11:08 PM
Hunky Dory new [re: PHOENIX]  

Life On Mars? - 4.70 (206)
Queen Bitch - 4.70 (77)
Quicksand - 4.61 (127)
Changes - 4.59 (111)
Oh! You Pretty Things - 4.55 (87)
The Bewlay Brothers - 4.51 (81)

Andy Warhol - 4.38 (89)
Bombers - 4.16 (51)
Kooks - 4.06 (64)
Fill Your Heart - 3.69 (54)
Song for Bob Dylan - 3.42 (40)
Eight Line Poem - 3.14 (42)

The highest number of classics on one album so far. I take exception to Eight Line Poem being held in such low regard, it must be vastly underrated by Bowie fans.

In the case of a tie, the song with more votes cast gets a higher ranking. Oh! You Pretty Things is my favourite Bowie tune, so I hate to see it not come even in the top 4. Stiff competition though.

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Stardusted_Lady
(wild eyed peoploid)
07/09/04 11:26 PM
Re: The Album Ratings new [re: schizophrenic]  

It shouldnt be so predictable though. I just recently purchased hours, and though I dont like the way his voice sounds in some of the songs (why is he singing like that?!) some of the lyrics really hit me deep. Especially in "Theres Something In The Air". Its kinda heart-wrenching.

I've nothing much to offer.. Theres nothing much to take


filthilyderanged
(kook)
07/10/04 00:24 AM
Re: The Album Ratings new [re: PHOENIX]  

personally i have always loved young americans to death
i used to hate and despise station to station before i bought it pshame on me - its a classic, I love it now!]

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diamondogz74
(acolyte)
07/10/04 07:36 AM
Young Americans new [re: filthilyderanged]  

In reply to:

personally i have always loved young americans to death


This is indeed a most brilliant Bowie album, i can remember a time when people thought this not so, i never could understand anybody not liking it.

And im sooooo looking forward to the 30th anniversary edition along with "STATIONTOSTATION, with I hope the original B/W cover, please EMI.


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SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
07/11/04 02:17 PM
Re: Young Americans new [re: diamondogz74]  

Will never happend.

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jump93
(wild eyed peoploid)
07/11/04 06:04 PM
Re: Young Americans new [re: Sysiyo]  

Whos Will?

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PHOENIX
(stardust savant)
07/11/04 10:26 PM
TRAFO Ziggy Stardust ATSFM new [re: PHOENIX]  

Starman - 4.67 (149)
Moonage Daydream - 4.66 (168)
Ziggy Stardust - 4.66 (164)
Suffragette City - 4.64 (90)
Rock 'N' Roll Suicide - 4.62 (152)
Five Years - 4.59 (113)

Soul Love - 4.41 (74)
Lady Stardust - 4.40 (84)
Velvet Goldmine - 4.40 (72)
Sweet Head - 4.23 (43)
Hang Onto Yourself - 4.19 (52)
Star - 4.19 (43)
John I'm Only Dancing - 4.13 (77)
It Aint Easy - 3.06 (52)

It's no wonder this album still rates No 1. With 6 classic songs, and most of the rest being held in high regard it's almost flawless. Glad to see my favourite occupying the No 1 slot.

It Aint Easy being voted the only bad song on this album is predictable. I've heard more cussing about this song than most others on these boards.

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PHOENIX
(stardust savant)
07/11/04 10:30 PM
Aladdin Sane new [re: PHOENIX]  

Cracked Actor - 4.63 (68)
Time - 4.57 (100)

Drive In Saturday - 4.48 (66)
Aladdin Sane - 4.47 (99)
Lady Grinning Soul - 4.46 (89)
Panic In Detroit - 4.39 (69)
The Prettiest Star - 4.36 (59)
The Jean Genie - 4.14 (73)
Watch That Man - 4.10 (39)
Let's Spend the Night Together - 3.18 (38)

Surprising that only 2 classics are to be found on this great album. I would have put Aladdin Sane the song on top of the list. As it stands it doesn't even rate as a classic.

Also, what the hell is Cracked Actor doing at the top? Above Time?

Good to see Let's Spend The Night Together lowly rated however. I dislike that cover immensely.

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PHOENIX
(stardust savant)
07/11/04 10:33 PM
Pin Ups new [re: PHOENIX]  

Amsterdam - 4.52 (64)
Sorrow - 4.40 (80)
See Emily Play - 4.23 (43)
Friday on My Mind - 4.21 (39)
Where Have All the Good Times Gone - 4.17 (23)
I Can't Explain - 4.03 (30)
Anyway, Anyhow, Anywhere - 3.88 (25)
Here Comes The Night - 3.87 (23)
Growin' Up - 3.84 (25)
Everything's Alright - 3.79 (14)
Rosalyn - 3.60 (20)
I Wish You Would - 3.54 (24)
Don't Bring Me Down - 3.50 (18)
Shapes of Things - 3.48 (25)

A song that wasn't even released as part of the original album makes the only classic in this bunch.

I'm sure glad we never got a Pin Ups 2.

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PHOENIX
(stardust savant)
07/11/04 10:37 PM
Diamond Dogs new [re: PHOENIX]  

Candidate (Demo) - 4.71 (69)
We Are The Dead - 4.66 (95)
Sweet Thing - 4.58 (80)
Big Brother - 4.57 (69)
Rebel Rebel - 4.55 (99)
Candidate - 4.53 (74)

Sweet Thing (reprise) - 4.43 (51)
1984 - 4.41 (73)
Future Legend - 4.37 (57)
Diamond Dogs - 4.35 (78)
Rock 'N' Roll With Me - 4.28 (47)
Chant of the Ever-Circling Skeletal Family - 4.09 (45)
Dodo - 4.00 (31)

Woah. I knew Candidate (Demo) has a lot of fans but never would have imagined that it would top the list. I carefully considered whether or not to include the bonus tracks from the Sound + Vision re-releases. Seeing that plenty of people have voted on them too I decided to put them in.

Nothing else is too remarkable about the placings.

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PHOENIX
(stardust savant)
07/11/04 10:42 PM
Re: Diamond Dogs new [re: PHOENIX]  

Young Americans - 4.55 (120)
Who Can I Be Now - 4.34 (38)
Win - 4.29 (38)
Can You Hear Me - 4.17 (30)
It's Gonna Be Me - 4.14 (28)
Fame - 4.13 (97)
Across The Universe - 4.12 (51)
Fascination - 4.12 (33)
Somebody Up There Likes Me - 4.06 (35)
Right - 3.55 (33)
John I'm Only Dancing Again - 3.18 (51)

Something I found amusing...underneath the title of "Can You Hear Me" you can read - "Some words unable to be distinguished". So obviously the answer is no.

Very strong title track, but little else to increase the overall status of this album. I think Bowie fans are well and truly fed up with Fame. A great song that has been played to death.

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PHOENIX
(stardust savant)
07/11/04 10:46 PM
Station to Station new [re: PHOENIX]  

Station to Station - 4.82 (180)
Word on a Wing - 4.62 (112)
Wild is the Wind - 4.61 (114)
Golden Years - 4.60 (113)
Stay - 4.58 (67)

TVC15 - 4.43 (74)

So close to being an album totally comprising classic songs. And I rather like TVC15. The title track gets an amazing rating from fans.

This one came along at the right time. Not the album, the post. Right under Adam's B&W Station to Station post. Which just mysteriously disappeared.

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Edited by PHOENIX on 07/11/04 10:48 PM (server time).



PHOENIX
(stardust savant)
07/11/04 10:51 PM
Low new [re: PHOENIX]  

Sound and Vision - 4.75 (91)
Warszawa - 4.70 (74)
Always Crashing in the Same Car - 4.69 (93)
Some Are - 4.67 (36)
Breaking Glass - 4.62 (65)
Speed of Life - 4.60 (40)
What in the World - 4.51 (39)

A New Career In a New Town - 4.49 (57)
Be My Wife - 4.46 (63)
Subterreans - 4.38 (52)
Art Decade - 4.09 (34)
Weeping Wall - 4.03 (29)
All Saints - 3.77 (26)

And to think he gave his collection of instrumentals the title All Saints. I hope it wasn't because he thought we all love the piece so much.

7 classics in this bunch. Superb.

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PHOENIX
(stardust savant)
07/11/04 10:55 PM
"Heroes" new [re: PHOENIX]  

"Heroes" - 4.70 (183)
Sons of the Silent Age - 4.48 (44)
Blackout - 4.38 (37)
Beauty and the Beast - 4.36 (70)
V-2 Schneider - 4.35 (46)
The Secret Life of Arabia - 4.31 (51)
Moss Garden - 4.25 (28)
Abdulmajid - 4.04 (23)
Joe The Lion - 3.96 (54)
Sense of Doubt - 3.96 (24)
Neuköln - 3.81 (21)

There's nothing terrible in this album. Unfortunately according to fans there is only one thing that is great.

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PHOENIX
(stardust savant)
07/11/04 10:57 PM
Lodger new [re: PHOENIX]  

Move On - 4.62 (32)
Look Back In Anger - 4.60 (85)
I Pray Ole - 4.52 (29)
Fantastic Voyage - 4.50 (42)

African Night Flight - 4.45 (47)
D.J. - 4.41 (41)
Red Sails - 4.34 (41)
Boys Keep Swinging - 4.28 (40)
Repetition - 4.22 (40)
Yassassin - 4.00 (34)
Red Money - 3.96 (23)

For some reason the title of this album always makes me think of bowel obstructions.

C'mon guys. D.J. and Boys Keep Swinging are great aren't they?

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PHOENIX
(stardust savant)
07/12/04 00:23 AM
Scary Monsters (and Super Creeps) new [re: PHOENIX]  

Ashes to Ashes - 4.76 (233)
Scary Monsters (and Super Creeps) - 4.72 (97)
It's No Game (Part 1) - 4.58 (55)
Teenage Wildlife - 4.53 (83)

Because You're Young - 4.42 (45)
Fashion - 4.38 (66)
It's No Game (Part 2) - 4.35 (23)
Scream Like a Baby - 4.20 (45)
Crystal Japan - 4.16 (31)
Up The Hill Backwards - 4.08 (50)
Kingdom Come - 3.73 (33)
Alabama Song - 3.54 (52)

Things get bad after this. In my opinion this deserved 3 or 4 more songs getting classic status. Up The Hill Backwards seems awfully underrated.

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PHOENIX
(stardust savant)
07/12/04 00:26 AM
Let's Dance new [re: PHOENIX]  

Modern Love - 4.39 (72)
Criminal World - 4.33 (30)
Cat People (Putting Out Fire) - 4.30 (60)
China Girl - 4.24 (115)
Let's Dance - 4.16 (79)
Without You - 3.48 (44)
Ricochet - 3.35 (49)
Shake It - 3.09 (45)

The first album since the debut that has no classics on it at all. And this is the best of the "Dash for Cash" trilogy.

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PHOENIX
(stardust savant)
07/12/04 00:29 AM
Tonight new [re: PHOENIX]  

Loving The Alien - 4.22 (67)
Blue Jean - 3.98 (99)
Neighbourhood Threat - 3.61 (28)
Tonight - 3.15 (40)
Don't Look Down - 2.89 (35)
Tumble and Twirl - 2.79 (39)
God Only Knows - 2.73 (52)
Dancing With The Big Boys - 2.67 (39)
I Keep Forgettin' - 2.54 (35)

Up to this album there had only been one stinker (under 3, otherwise called clunker) and that was the silly Don't Sit Down which wasn't really a whole song. Then comes this little gem of an album which gives us 5!

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PHOENIX
(stardust savant)
07/12/04 00:31 AM
Never Let Me Down new [re: PHOENIX]  

Glass Spider - 3.98 (49)
Time Will Crawl - 3.97 (35)
Zeroes - 3.77 (31)
Never Let Me Down - 3.69 (42)
Bang Bang - 3.36 (22)
Beat Of Your Drum - 3.05 (22)
Day In Day Out - 3.00 (39)
'87 And Cry - 2.84 (63)
Shining Star - 2.81 (27)
New York's In Love - 2.68 (19)
Too Dizzy - 2.44 (71)

Another 4 stinkers, and no song rated above 4. After only his debut having no classics we have 3 albums in a row now with not one.

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PHOENIX
(stardust savant)
07/12/04 00:34 AM
Tin Machine new [re: PHOENIX]  

Heaven's In Here - 4.50 (22)
I Can't Read - 4.40 (40)
Prisoner of Love - 4.22 (27)
Working Class Hero - 3.97 (29)
Amazing - 3.96 (25)
Under The God - 3.95 (19)
Pretty Thing - 3.89 (18)
Bus Stop - 3.76 (21)
Run - 3.58 (12)
Sacrifice Yourself - 3.43 (14)
Crack City - 3.33 (18)
Video Crime - 3.33 (12)
Tin Machine - 3.31 (16)
Baby Can Dance - 3.27 (15)

After nine years there is a classic song on an album. Barely. In fact if someone votes against the surprising winner this album will also fall into the 'no classics' category.

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PHOENIX
(stardust savant)
07/12/04 00:37 AM
Tin Machine II new [re: PHOENIX]  

Goodbye Mr Ed - 4.11 (28)
You Belong In Rock 'N' Roll - 4.07 (27)
Baby Universal - 4.05 (41)
If There Is Something - 3.95 (21)
Amlapura - 3.79 (19)
Shopping For Girls - 3.70 (20)
Betty Wrong - 3.62 (24)
One Shot - 3.36 (14)
A Big Hurt - 3.28 (25)
Stateside - 3.11 (19)
Sorry - 2.94 (18)
You Can't Talk - 2.79 (14)

No classics again, making it one (barely) in 11 years. Also the stinkers are showing up again. 2 of them.

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PHOENIX
(stardust savant)
07/12/04 00:39 AM
Black Tie White Noise new [re: PHOENIX]  

Nite Flights - 4.68 (37)
Jump They Say - 4.44 (61)
The Wedding Song - 4.33 (24)
Miracle Goodnight - 4.29 (38)
You've Been Around - 4.22 (32)
The Wedding - 4.17 (18)
Looking For Lester - 4.14 (22)
I Know It's Gonna Happen Someday - 4.12 (33)
Pallas Athena - 4.08 (49)
Lucy Can't Dance - 4.02 (45)
Don't Let Me Down & Down - 3.80 (30)
I Feel Free - 3.67 (24)
Black Tie White Noise - 3.60 (45)

Why on Earth would he release the worst song on this album as a single? On top of that why would he give the album the title of the worst song on it? I agree with where it is placed.

Nite Flights No 1 and the only classic. Surprising? It was to me.

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PHOENIX
(stardust savant)
07/12/04 00:43 AM
Buddha of Suburbia new [re: PHOENIX]  

Strangers When We Meet - 4.61 (120)
Buddha of Suburbia - 4.46 (35)
South Horizon - 4.39 (18)
Dead Against It - 4.32 (28)
Untitled No. 1 - 4.28 (25)
The Mysteries - 4.24 (17)
Sex And The Church - 4.12 (32)
Bleed Like a Craze, Dad - 4.00 (15)
Ian Fish, U.K. Heir - 3.31 (13)

Only one classic, but only one song under 4 also. Should have been 2 or 3 classics but whatyagonnado? Pretty good though.

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PHOENIX
(stardust savant)
07/12/04 00:49 AM
1. Outside new [re: PHOENIX]  

Hallo Spaceboy - 4.69 (186)
The Heart's Filthy Lesson - 4.65 (123)
I Have Not Been To Oxford Town - 4.64 (75)
The Motel - 4.63 (84)
Thru These Architect's Eyes - 4.62 (94)
Strangers When We Meet - 4.61 (120)
I'm Deranged - 4.60 (82)
Outside - 4.53 (70)
The Voyeur of Utter Destruction (As Beauty) - 4.52 (48)

No Control - 4.42 (43)
We Prick You - 4.37 (60)
Baby Grace (A Horrid Cassette) [s] - 4.04 (49)
Nathan Adler [s] - 3.88 (24)
I Am With Name - 3.86 (50)
A Small Plot of Land - 3.79 (63)
Algeria Touchshriek [s] - 3.71 (31)
Leon Takes Us Outside - 3.67 (48)
Wishful Beginnings - 3.46 (59)

After showing signs for a while it's a big return with this one. I basically agree with the order. Would it have been a giant hit if it wasn't 15 years since he released a great album?

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PHOENIX
(stardust savant)
07/12/04 00:51 AM
Earthling new [re: PHOENIX]  

Dead Man Walking - 4.61 (127)
Seven Years In Tibet - 4.61 (111)
I'm Afraid of Americans - 4.60 (109)
Little Wonder - 4.50 (127)

Battle For Britain (The Letter) - 4.49 (71)
Looking for Satellites - 4.20 (74)
Telling Lies - 4.14 (80)
The Last Thing You Should Do - 3.77 (66)
Law (Earthlings On Fire) - 3.71 (68)

Would have liked to see Telling Lies make the grade.

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PHOENIX
(stardust savant)
07/12/04 00:54 AM
hours... new [re: PHOENIX]  

Something In The Air - 4.68 (85)
Survive - 4.47 (64)
Seven - 4.42 (64)
The Pretty Things Are Going To Hell - 4.38 (81)
If I'm Dreaming My Life - 4.37 (63)
Thursday's Child - 4.26 (128)
The Dreamers - 4.24 (59)
New Angels of Promise - 4.12 (56)
Brilliant Adventure - 4.10 (42)
What's Really Happening - 3.64 (81)

Pretty solid and unspectacular. I must say it has a nice coating of dust in my collection. I prefer Survive to Something in the Air.

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PHOENIX
(stardust savant)
07/12/04 00:57 AM
Heathen new [re: PHOENIX]  

Everyone Says Hi - 5.00 (3)
Slip Away - 5.00 (2)
A Better Future - 5.00 (1)
I Took a Trip On a Gemini Spacecraft - 5.00 (1)
I've Been Waiting For You - 5.00 (1)
Sunday - 5.00 (1)
Cactus - 5.00 (1)
5.15 The Angels Have Gone - 4.80 (5)
Heathen (The Rays) - 4.67 (3)
Slow Burn - 4.50 (2)

Afraid - 4.33 (3)
I Would Be Your Slave - 4.00 (1)

With 7 songs getting a perfect 5, this album must be the greatest by any artist in history. It has 8 classics and no song under 4. Amazing that 7 songs from this album are rated as Bowie's best ever. I must sa......hang on a minute!

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PHOENIX
(stardust savant)
07/12/04 01:00 AM
Reality new [re: PHOENIX]  

Bring Me The Disco King - 4.80 (5)
Never Get Old - 4.50 (4)

Fall Dog Bombs The Moon - 4.40 (5)
New Killer Star - 4.12 (8)
She'll Drive The Big Car - 3.71 (7)
Looking For Water - 3.67 (6)
Reality - 3.57 (7)
Days - 3.25 (8)
Pablo Picasso - 3.12 (8)
The Lonliest Guy - 2.50 (4)
Try Some, Buy Some - 2.17 (6)

We get a better idea of where the songs stand than Heathen, but still needs more voting. Try Some, Buy Some and The Lonliest Guy are surely not stinkers.

Thats it. I'll look up some singles, Labyrinth tracks etc and put them in maybe later.

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PHOENIX
(stardust savant)
07/12/04 01:26 AM
The Best and Worst of it new [re: PHOENIX]  

Top 10

4.82 - Station to Station
4.76 - Ashes to Ashes
4.75 - Sound and Vision
4.72 - The Man Who Sold The World (148)
4.72 - Cygnet Committee (112)
4.72 - Scary Monsters (and Super Creeps) (97)
4.71 - Space Oddity (232)
4.71 - Candidate (Demo) (69)
4.70 - Life on Mars? (206)
4.70 - "Heroes" (183)

Bottom 10

2.44 - Too Dizzy
2.54 - I Keep Forgettin'
2.67 - Dancing With The Big Boys
2.68 - New York's In Love
2.73 - God Only Knows
2.79 - Tumble and Twirl (39)
2.79 - You Can't Talk (14)
2.81 - Shining Star (Makin' My Love)
2.84 - '87 and Cry
2.89 - Don't Look Down

A double album?

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PHOENIX
(stardust savant)
07/12/04 02:00 AM
and to wrap things up... new [re: PHOENIX]  

Here are other notables, not released on original studio albums.

Under Pressure - 4.94 (18)
My Death (live) - 4.72 (118)
As The World Falls Down - 4.63 (190)
Within You - 4.61 (74)
This is Not America - 4.56 (9)
All The Young Dudes - 4.54 (116)
Footstompin' - 4.50 (14)
Magic Dance - 4.50 (8)

Peace on Earth/Little Drummer Boy - 4.38 (21)
Absolute Beginners - 4.28 (40)
Looking For a Friend - 4.25 (4)
Underground - 4.18 (22)
Chilly Down - 4.11 (61)
Ragazzo Solo, Ragazza Sola - 3.89 (27)
When The Wind Blows - 3.89 (9)
I Dig Everything - 3.83 (18)
Real Cool World - 3.82 (28)
Can't Help Thinking About Me - 3.73 (22)
Volare - 3.62 (16)
The Laughing Gnome - 3.58 (31)
That's Motivation - 3.39 (18)
You've Got a Habit of Leaving - 3.38 (13)
Do Anything You Say - 3.00 (20)
Liza Jane - 3.00 (14)
I Pity The Fool - 3.00 (9)
Revolutionary Song - 3.00 (1)
Fame 90 - 2.91 (35)
Dancing In The Street - 2.76 (17)

If I'd included these in the top and bottom 10 Dancing In The Street would have made no 6 of the worst of all time, and Under Pressure would have made no 1 of the best of all time. My Death (live) would have made no 5 of the best of all time.

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SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
07/12/04 06:12 AM
Re: Black Tie White Noise new [re: PHOENIX]  

In reply to:

Nite Flights No 1 and the only classic. Surprising? It was to me.


Bowie considered the track as the lead-off single, but decided against it since this was his 'comeback album', and making a cover song the lead-up wouldn't have been the wisest course of action. It was (again) considered as the fourth single, but in the end replaced by The Buddha Of Suburbia single.

And it's a damn good track. Though adimmitedly not the best track on the album in my opinion.

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diamondogz74
(acolyte)
07/12/04 06:51 AM
Could be ? new [re: Sysiyo]  

In reply to:

Will never happen.


Well I would'nt be to sure of that Sys, theres always the possibility it just could be ? ( wishing more than hoping )

In reply to:

Whos Will?


That be Will Young, last seen diving into the sea.

Cool avatar.


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Dara
(acolyte)
07/12/04 07:20 AM
Re: and to wrap things up... new [re: PHOENIX]  

Great work, great series of posts.

If anything, the rating accorded to individual songs broken down by album are even more illuminating than the ratings given to the album as a whole.

Some of the 80s ratings look a bit wacky to me though (Let's Dance, Loving The Alien, Modern Love or China Girl not classics, but Magic Dance is?).

Slan libh,

Dara

So Levi's are called Levi's because the guy's name was Levi Strauss? Why didn't they call them strousers? - Fiona O'Kearney 6/5/2004

RabbitFighter
(acolyte)
07/12/04 07:34 AM
Re: Could be ? new [re: diamondogz74]  

In reply to:

That be Will Young, last seen diving into the sea


Hopefully with a nice pair of concrete boots...

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NoGame
(acolyte)
07/12/04 12:54 PM
Some suprises new [re: Dara]  

To discuss some suprises from the TW fanbase:

* The Jean Genie - third from the bottom?
* Diamond Dogs - not voted among the classics of that album?
* Fame - Not doing too well

* All the songs from Station to Station are considered classics by the TW voters, but a song Bowie himself likes very much, TVC 15, which was even among the very few songs performed at Live Aid, doesn't qualify. Strange...

* I pray, olé - Fantastic rating

* It's No Game (part 1) - Interesting to see that people prefer the noisy version to the easier version of part 2.

Good posts indeed.

NoGame

diamondogz74
(acolyte)
07/12/04 03:20 PM
Three Wishes. new [re: RabbitFighter]  

In reply to:

Hopefully with a nice pair of concrete boots...


Thats wish number one, only got two left

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Dara
(acolyte)
07/13/04 06:40 AM
Re: Some suprises new [re: NoGame]  

In reply to:

The Jean Genie - third from the bottom?


Surprise to me too.

In reply to:

Diamond Dogs - not voted among the classics of that album?


Maybe my least favourite track on the album. There's just something too sub-Stones about it to me.

However, I recently saw a really great live version of it by Beck in Dublin. Maybe I preferred it because it sounded less Stonesy.

In reply to:

Fame - Not doing too well


One of the biggest surprises for me when I got online first was how many Americans fans there are who really don't like this song at all. Maybe since it was the number one smash single that changed Bowie from being a cult artist, kinda the 70s equivalent of Let's Dance, hardcore fans are unusually harsh.

Slan libh,

Dara




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AdamAdministrator
(acolyte)
07/13/04 06:51 AM
Diamond Dogs by Beck new [re: Dara]  

In reply to:

Diamond Dogs......I recently saw a really great live version of it by Beck in Dublin. Maybe I preferred it because it sounded less Stonesy.


Based on Moulin Rouge, it's certainly a top 20 Bowie cover imo (and now I am really sorry I missed his Melbourne show). It almost sounds more Prince than it does Stones....which is really not a bad thing in this case. The lyrics are clearly Bowie (thank god) but they also suit Beck's style very well too.

As for this thread, there's some VERY interesting results. I think most people have pulled out the real interesting ones. It seems I have similar tastes to the mass of TWers as I rarely find myself disagreeing with the majority of these results on an individual song basis. The only real weird thing for me is Hours yet I can also remember the time when I rated that album very well all the same.




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Dara
(acolyte)
07/13/04 07:08 AM
Re: Diamond Dogs by Beck new [re: Adam]  

In reply to:

It almost sounds more Prince than it does Stones


Exactly. I guess Bowie was going for a "popular sleaze" feel on the original that suited both the lyric and its place as scene setter for the album. The problem is nowadays the Stones sound is institutionalized, not sleazy, so updating to the sound of the little sex midget is inspired. The live version I saw went on and on too, so it had a real jam feeling to it.

Slan libh,

Dara

So Levi's are called Levi's because the guy's name was Levi Strauss? Why didn't they call them strousers? - Fiona O'Kearney 6/5/2004

BigFatDog
(grinning soul)
07/13/04 09:22 AM
Hmm new [re: diamondogz74]  

Personally, I think Will Young is quite talented, not afraid to add a bluesy, individual feel to his music, when obviously it would be far better for him, financially, to stick to mainstream pop and disappear down the same hole as Gareth Gates, Darius and all the other one-hit-wonders.

In reply to:

Maybe my least favourite track on the album. There's just something too sub-Stones about it to me.

However, I recently saw a really great live version of it by Beck in Dublin. Maybe I preferred it because it sounded less Stonesy.


I totally agree, Diamond Dogs drags on for far too long and is in fact quite out of place on an otherwise marvellously constructed, tragic, theatrical, sexy album.




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