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bowiefanpeter
(the voyeur)
08/12/04 08:15 PM
Re: Leaving Bowie new [re: hangontoyourself]  

What's the difference between what Pete Townshend/Gary Glitter/Pee Wee Herman/R.Kelly/Wacko Jacko did and Elvis Preslay haveing a 15 year-old Prescilla Bouviere(later Presley) living at Graceland unchaperoned?

BFP



jump93
(kook)
08/12/04 08:34 PM
Re: Leaving Bowie [re: bowiefanpeter]  

15 was a reasonable age at the time, I think
Go back a few more decades to victorian times and people were married at around 14 years of age

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SoulLoveChild
(stardust savant)
08/12/04 08:42 PM
Re: Leaving Bowie [re: Sysiyo]  

In reply to:

It mightn'd be his masterpiece, but it certainly is miles better than Hunky Dory.


In your VERY humble opinion of course

Sys, great to see you finally got off your arse and produced that avatar you've been promising. Your best effort yet


Get Bowie Back Downunder!
GBBD 2005 !!!!





SoulLoveChild
(stardust savant)
08/12/04 08:51 PM
Re: Leaving Bowie [re: bowiefanpeter]  

Don't forget Bill Woods and 13 year old Mandy Smith.

god, I can't believe there's talk of paedophilia going on this early in the morning, after I watched Happiness for the first time ever last night

As for leaving Bowie, he nearly lost me for a while after the Gisborne thing, I physically could not play a Bowie album for about 4 months, it made me feel sick in the guts with anger. Not that the cancellation was his fault at all, but because he accepted a non-appearance fee and we lost thousands of dollars and he shut up and went underground on the issue. I got over it eventually, and the REALITY is now all is forgiven - nearly 5 years later!!


Get Bowie Back Downunder!
GBBD 2005 !!!!





bowiefanpeter
(the voyeur)
08/12/04 10:05 PM
Re: Leaving Bowie [re: SoulLoveChild]  

How old was Celine Dion when she got serious with her manager?

Bowie has mildly annoyed fans a number of times over the past 35 years. If you still count yourself as a fan, I doubt you could be offended by anything froim this point on.

BFP



bowiefanpeter
(the voyeur)
08/12/04 10:10 PM
Re: Leaving Bowie [re: jump93]  

The UK press crucified Jerry Lee Lewis for marrying a 15 year old girl in the late 50's. It was later out that she was actually 13, and his cousin.

But the question remains, the 50's press went after JLL and left EP alone on matters that were close to identical.

The only justification for this slim margin of difference is JLL shacked up with his white-trash cousin for his 3rd marriage and Elvis dated a daughter of an military aristocrat.

BFP





SoulLoveChild
(stardust savant)
08/12/04 10:22 PM
Re: Leaving Bowie [re: bowiefanpeter]  

Your post above reminds me of a quote from the movie Dogs in Space, where the bogan girl is drunk at a punk pub screaming out to anyone who'll listen:

"I'll tell ya why they fuck 15 year old girls - cos they're scared anyone older will tell them what a lousy root they are".
Could be very true

In reply to:

Bowie has mildly annoyed fans a number of times over the past 35 years. If you still count yourself as a fan, I doubt you could be offended by anything froim this point on.


Agreed


Get Bowie Back Downunder!
GBBD 2005 !!!!





Tin
(cracked actor)
08/13/04 02:51 AM
Re: Leaving Bowie [re: hangontoyourself]  

Thankfully, I know (99.9% sure) that this will never happen. However, if he ever harmed his daughter or Iman in any way, sexual or otherwise, that would end it. Murder is number two, and that comes with the usual legal disclaimers... circumstances surrounding and honesty about why.

Charles Manson was never a musician, but attempted music fame with his sicko LP release in the '80s. Lots of djs played that dreck, but I refused. Bad example, but hope it makes the point.

Thankfully, this Bowie nightmare will surely not come to fruition.

Dara, great refresher on the origins of hero. Thanks.

"You've gotta laugh when you can't cry no more." - DOT 3, "Palo Alto's finest voodoo funk band"

krettis
(crash course raver)
08/13/04 04:09 AM
strangers when we meet [re: White Prism]  

In reply to:

- if he made (more) Nazi-sympathetic remarks


More? explain that one please...

Well I would abandon him if he would step into politics.
And when he would shock people only for the shock..

Your dream is such a scary place to be trapped inside - Anathema
DD74 is my idol

Dara
(acolyte)
08/13/04 06:05 AM
Supporter or fan? [re: White Prism]  

In reply to:

I think it's difficult to separate an artist's work from their celebrity


I think it goes to the nature of your fandom, personally. People are fans for different reasons - because they feel they identify with the artist, because he's attractive to them physically, because they like his persona. If you fall into one of those categories and something happens to make you doubt the basis of your fandom, then yes, I could see why you wouldn't be a fan any more.

But I don't particularly identify with Bowie. That was never the basis of my fandom. I don't "support" him like I support my favourite sports team. If it was announced that Arsenal was openly fascist (as, for example, SS Lazio are), then I'd quickly drop them. Because in supporting a sports team, identification is important.

But I look for different things in an artist. First, his art has to be good. If Bowie made the same music but was dull as ditchwater as a person, I wouldn't come here to discuss him, but I wouldn't like his music any less. To sum up: to keep me buying and listening to his music, he just has to keep making good music. To keep my interest in discussing him with other people, he just has to remain interesting. If he was exposed as a pedophile fascist, that would be very interesting, and I'd sure as Hell want to discuss it. I wouldn't feel any need to deny my liking for his music, or disown him publicly. I have no problem with the concept that my favourite artists might be assholes. James Joyce was, and it doesn't make Ulysses any worse (in fact, if he weren't such a fucked up asshole I doubt the book would be so good).

The thing is, I have no problem with people saying bad things about my favourites. So long as they're true. It's untruth I object to, not negativity. If it were proven conclusively that Bowie was a pedophile fascist, and I came across someone who denied that, I wouldn't hold back arguing the case for the prosecution.

Slan libh,

Dara

"I love gossip; it's the way we gauge our moral place within society, it's integral to the way that we measure each other; it doesn't matter if it's based on fact or fiction." David Bowie


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