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Mxy
(wild eyed peoploid)
12/20/04 01:52 PM
Was Michael Jackson going to sing BTWN with Bowie?  

I think it was in the Black Tie White Noise VHS that Bowie said that Al B. Sure wasn't his first option for the song. I always thought his first option was another rapper I know nothing about so I never gave it much thought... but the other day I was listening to the song (for some reason) and I realized Sure's voice is similar to Michael Jackson's. Could it be that Jackson was who Bowie had in mind when he wrote the song?

If so, do you think the song would have been better or worse with Jackson instead of Sure? It certainly would have been a bigger hit...

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AdamAdministrator
(acolyte)
12/20/04 05:33 PM
Re: Was Michael Jackson going to sing BTWN with Bowie? new [re: Mxy]  

In a song from Tin Machine II, Bowie sings 'a small black someone jumps over the crazy white God, cranking up the volume of a Michael Jackson song'.

It seems Bowie had already considered Jackson in regards to race/music relations and 'cranking out' the black tie / white noise.

The other Jackson/Bowie connection from around this time was Iman featuring in Jackson's 'Remember The Time' video. She played an Egyptian Queen, and if I remember correctly, they kissed on the lips.

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SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
12/21/04 07:14 AM
Re: Was Michael Jackson going to sing BTWN with Bo [re: Mxy]  

If memory serves, Bowie's first choice as the co-vocalist was Lenny Kravitz but he couldn't make it due to conflicting schedules (he did later play guitar on Buddha Of Suburbia, of course).

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LadyGravedigger
(crash course raver)
12/21/04 02:25 PM
Re: Was Michael Jackson going to sing BTWN with Bo [re: Adam]  

In reply to:

She played an Egyptian Queen


Really? I used to love that video, but I never knew. I wish I could see it now...

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pablopicasso
(acolyte)
12/21/04 02:34 PM
Re: Was Michael Jackson going to sing BTWN with Bo [re: LadyGravedigger]  





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LadyGravedigger
(crash course raver)
12/21/04 02:38 PM
Re: Was Michael Jackson going to sing BTWN with Bo [re: pablopicasso]  

Thanks

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diamondogz74
(acolyte)
12/21/04 02:55 PM
Re: Was Michael Jackson going to sing BTWN with Bowie? [re: Adam]  

In reply to:

In a song from Tin Machine II, Bowie sings 'a small black someone jumps over the crazy white God, cranking up the volume of a Michael Jackson song'.


This is the song where Bowie is making social comment on predatory paedophiles yes? I was convinced his reference to M.Jackson was connected to Jacksons alledged history of child molestation.

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bowiefanpeter
(the voyeur)
12/21/04 10:13 PM
Re: Was Michael Jackson going to sing BTWN with Bowie? [re: Mxy]  

Has Jackson ever done a political song like BTWN? All I can think of is his "save the worlds children/rainforest" songs or music videos asking the world to leave him alone.

I wonder if the "real" duet version, whoever did it, got yanked because of the politcal ramifications of thie songs - and the fact it was going to be one of Bowie's "comeback" singles. If you were Kravitzs record company, and had the "Are You Going My Way" waiting to be released, would you want your artist on a 'hot potato' single?

You also think Bowie would work with MJ a decade after 2 naff singles with McCartney and a duet with Mick Jagger?

Also indirectly related is around this time MJ did a full cameo on the Simpsons(uncredited) when Homer went to the insane asylum.

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FritzFassbender
(kook)
12/23/04 11:44 PM
Re: Was Michael Jackson going to sing BTWN with Bowie? [re: Mxy]  

In reply to:

do you think the song would have been better or worse with Jackson instead of Sure?


Doesn't really matter, that's a pretty lame song no matter who sings on it.

In reply to:

It certainly would have been a bigger hit


No doubt, but can you imagine how the course of Bowie's career would have gone if that had been his commercial comeback? Just think of all the crap that would have came from that.

In reply to:

This is the song where Bowie is making social comment on predatory paedophiles yes? I was convinced his reference to M.Jackson was connected to Jacksons alledged history of child molestation.


I always saw that song, Shopping For Girls, to be about the difficulties of young urban life. Also, that was written in 1991, and the earliest allegations of child molestation against Jackson came in 1993.

In reply to:

Has Jackson ever done a political song like BTWN?


Black and White is a political song disguised as pop.

In reply to:

I wonder if the "real" duet version, whoever did it, got yanked because of the politcal ramifications of thie songs - and the fact it was going to be one of Bowie's "comeback" singles. If you were Kravitzs record company, and had the "Are You Going My Way" waiting to be released, would you want your artist on a 'hot potato' single?


I doubt that's the case. Kravitz was doing political stuff back then, I'm sure it was just a scheduling conflict. He was anxious to work with Bowie, as proven by his contribution to Buddha a year later.



Dara
(acolyte)
12/24/04 05:34 AM
Re: Was Michael Jackson going to sing BTWN with Bowie? new [re: FritzFassbender]  

In reply to:

No doubt, but can you imagine how the course of Bowie's career would have gone if that had been his commercial comeback? Just think of all the crap that would have came from that.


Why? That suggests that Bowie would have reacted to it by pandering. Apart from one possible aberration in the 80s (and even there I'm not sure: if Bowie really thought Tonight would keep the Let's Dance crowd happy, he was wrong. Pandering would have been "Let's Dance Again", with Nile Rodgers and the same personnel again), when has Bowie ever done that?

Fame was his big breakthrough in the States, yet he followed up YA with S2S.

In fact, BTWN was a commercial comeback of sorts (#1 in the UK, and did well nearly everywhere except the States), yet as David Buckley points out, Bowie's response was not "more of the same" or even "milk it to death with singles", but to release Buddha, which was of very limited general appeal.

Slan libh,

Dara

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