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ghostlove
(kook)
01/30/05 04:35 AM
Now, here's something you'll really like!  

What are some songs that your average bowie fan really likes but probably won't appeal to the general public? I can think of "Teenage Wildlife" and "Strangers When We Meet" as good examples. And you?

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ThinWhiteDuke87
(wild eyed peoploid)
01/30/05 06:24 AM
Re: Now, here's something you'll really like! new [re: ghostlove]  

I think "Station to Station" ó for anyone else, it's too long, lyrics don't make sense, blah, blah, blah . . . for us, though, it's a masterpiece.

Otherwise, "Repetition."

Donít think about Young Americans as a makeout album

Sam_X
(grinning soul)
01/30/05 09:37 AM
Re: Now, here's something you'll really like! new [re: ghostlove]  

Lodger album.

>>pretty cool, huh?

Marquis
(acolyte)
01/30/05 01:49 PM
Full Clip new [re: ghostlove]  

I think Strangers When We Meet has a lot of potential for mass appeal, like if it were used on a soundtrack to a movie that people acutally saw. Teenage Wildlife would be high on the list, though; it's one of those songs that I sometimes wonder why I like so damn much, which I guess is a pretty good criteria for this question.

I'd say something like Shake It or Fill Your Heart, but for some reason even most Bowie fans don't like those songs. And before you say that the reason is that those songs suck, let me pre-empt you by saying that it is, in fact, YOU who suck because those songs are great in their own little way.

So, hmm... Wild Eyed Boy From Freecloud?

The beat is fat; the rhyme is obese

diamondogz74
(acolyte)
01/30/05 03:23 PM
Re: Now, here's something you'll really like! new [re: ghostlove]  

In reply to:

What are some songs that your average bowie fan really likes but probably won't appeal to the general public?


Good thread

Although not a song per se, I would say the general public would not like nor understand Future Legend and of course we all adore it and most probably the whole of the Outside album.



London Bye Ta-Ta...

CloverThePoet
(kook)
01/30/05 09:58 PM
Re: Now, here's something you'll really like! new [re: ghostlove]  

Joe The Lion, S2S, Up The Hill Backwards, oh hell 90% of everything he has ever made.



I've had my share, I'll help you with the pain.

Rocknrollinbitch
(mortal with potential)
01/31/05 04:10 AM
Re: Now, here's something you'll really like! new [re: ghostlove]  

We Are The Dead, Width Of A Circle, Cygnet Committee, It's No Game (2), Lady Grinning Soul, Sons Of The Silent Age, Bewlay Brothers, Quicksand. All in no particular order.........



diamondogz74
(acolyte)
01/31/05 07:57 AM
Re: Now, here's something you'll really like! new [re: CloverThePoet]  

In reply to:

oh hell 90% of everything he has ever made


That just about sums it up

I must ask a member of the general public one day what it is about Let's Dance that appeals to them?



London Bye Ta-Ta...

pablopicasso
(acolyte)
01/31/05 08:25 AM
Re: Now, here's something you'll really like! new [re: diamondogz74]  

Well in 1983 it was a very contempory sounding record, with very accessible singles released from it, still wth enough Bowie to tempt the older fans too. Top that with three really engaging videos (ok Modern love was just live footage, but it had a certain something) followed by a phenomenal tour.

It was to Scary monsters, what Young Americans was to Diamond dogs. A radical change of direction, one aimed at breaking the American market. Bowie was in a similar position again, he needed a major hit album, so he soaked up what was going on around him and gave the public exactly what they wanted. Not the most artistic of intentions but neccessary nonetheless.
I fly to the nearest bar

Dara
(acolyte)
01/31/05 08:33 AM
Respect for the masses new [re: pablopicasso]  

In reply to:

1983


Yeah, it very much captured the moment, in a way Bowie really hadn't (in this part of the world, at least) since his breakthrough with Ziggy.

The "mass" appeal of Let's Dance was quite short lived though. Once it left the charts, it never re-entered as far as I know, and sold poorly on re-release too.

The albums in Bowie's catalogue that have genuine longlasting mass appeal are Ziggy and Hunky Dory.

Slan libh,

Dara

"There are Irish people all over the world. Or people who want to be."

SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
01/31/05 08:38 AM
Singles album. new [re: Dara]  

The main thing about Let's Dance as an album is that there really isn't much to it apart from the three singles. When you can get those on any Best of -type Bowie album it makes sense for the casual fans to just get those and forget about the rest of the crappy offering.

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pablopicasso
(acolyte)
01/31/05 08:41 AM
Re: Respect for the masses new [re: Dara]  

Definately, it was of a moment, whereas the likes of Ziggy/Hunky dory seem to trancend fashions. I think if there had been a big 20th anniversary edition, maybe with the Concert as a dvd it would have been huge though. All those 20-30 year olds who had bought it and gone to the concerts would have flocked to but it to regain their youth. The reissues have so far, been 'vanilla' issues apart from the Virgin one, and that only added Under pressure. Not sure (apart from the original Cat people) what could be added as a second cd, unless earlier versions of the songs were released, or maybe the proposed live album.

I feel it is unfair to dismiss Let's dance though as without it, the history would have been totally different.

Sysiyo, a very valid point too, to the casual buyer , I think they would have been put off by the rest of the album.
I woud say that in Crimial world, Richochet and Cat people we are getting a more traditional Bowie. Shake it and Without you are totally disposable in my view, although the remix of Shake it wasn't bad. That could've been another bonus track.



I fly to the nearest bar

BigFatDog
(wild eyed peoploid)
01/31/05 09:06 AM
Re: Now, here's something you'll really like! new [re: ghostlove]  

I can think of absolutely loads that meet that criteria.

Even though Time was released as a single, I would suggest it is far from accessible. The entire second side of Heroes and Low, Sweet Thing/Candidate/Sweet Thing, Lodger (and that's including Boys Keep Swinging in my opinion), Earthling, 1.Outside, Buddha of Suburbia (not only because of it's limited availability, but also because of songs such as Sex And The Church, South Horizon and Bleed Like a Craze Dad)

Bring Me The Disco King is probably the most recent example.





jump93
(kook)
01/31/05 09:07 AM
Re: Respect for the masses new [re: pablopicasso]  

The whole 1. Outside album, with the exception of perhaps Strangers When We Meet because I think that is a fairly commercial song.

But I think Club Bowie is even more unappealing because it is not only a club/dance album, but a very poor one, which won't even appeal to fans of the genre, just limiting the people who would actually buy it to completists like myself.

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diamondogz74
(acolyte)
01/31/05 10:13 AM
Re: Now, here's something you'll really like! new [re: pablopicasso]  

In reply to:

so he soaked up what was going on around him and gave the public exactly what they wanted. Not the most artistic of intentions but neccessary nonetheless.


You mean he needed a mass hit album to satisfy his new record deal with EMI? that much I can understand but there is no way on earth that album contains credibilty IMO.

But none the less it remains a part of Bowie history now and is very well produced, I just cannot stand hearing Bowie being so mainstream.

In reply to:

forget about the rest of the crappy offering.


100% agreement

In reply to:

I woud say that in Criminal world


That track is very good and probably the only one I can stand.

In reply to:

Richochet


Turn the holy pictures so they face the wall
And who can bear to be forgotten
And who can bear to be forgotten


That sums it up IMO












London Bye Ta-Ta...

sonofsilence
(acolyte)
01/31/05 11:17 AM
Re: Now, here's something you'll really like! new [re: ghostlove]  

I think Sons of the Silent Age is a good example.

Full of those Bowiephonics, it would probably sounds a bit dischordant to the general public, but all i hear is drama and tragedy.

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SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
01/31/05 01:10 PM
Re: Respect for the masses new [re: pablopicasso]  

In reply to:

I woud say that in Crimial world, Richochet and Cat people we are getting a more traditional Bowie. Shake it and Without you are totally disposable in my view, although the remix of Shake it wasn't bad. That could've been another bonus track.


I'm not entirely sure if I agree with those three tracks. They're... passable... offerings, but they lack the things that made tracks on previous Bowie albums real classics, while they don't have the general mass appeal of the three singles.

As for bonus tracks for the possible anniversary edition of Let's Dance... I can think of several. Not very worthwile most of them, but there's enough material for EMI to put out a disc for it anyway. We've got:

Cat People (soundtrack version)
The Myth
Under Pressure
Shake It (remix)
Modern Love (live B-side)
Let's Dance (single edit)
China Girl (single edit)
Modern Love (single edit)
Cat People (soundtrack version single edit)
Cat People (soundtrack version extended edit)

Considering that the album has only eight tracks, in comparison a ten-track bonus disc seems rather respectable (if mostly neglible for the hardcore fans).

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CloverThePoet
(kook)
01/31/05 05:20 PM
Re: Now, here's something you'll really like! new [re: diamondogz74]  

Let's Dance is Bowies second soul effort, following Fame 15 or so years later. The power of the extended version is magnificent in that it is pure soul and more. The Rhythms are perfect, intricate to no end. The power blues offered by Vaughns introduction to the world makes this classic brand new every day. That fact also makes this cut sentimental. Did I mention that it has the one thing that everyone attributes to Mr. Bowie -- Originality.
ya knooow... sometimes I think that I'm the only Bowie fan at TW. But that's just me thinking again.



I've had my share, I'll help you with the pain.

pablopicasso
(acolyte)
01/31/05 05:45 PM
Re: Now, here's something you'll really like! new [re: CloverThePoet]  

Well, ya know, I thought I was sticking up for it too.

I fly to the nearest bar

jump93
(kook)
01/31/05 06:06 PM
Re: Now, here's something you'll really like! new [re: CloverThePoet]  

In reply to:

Let's Dance is Bowies second soul effort, following Fame 15 or so years later.


Sorry to pick, but isn't 1983 only 8 years after 1975?

In reply to:

ya knooow... sometimes I think that I'm the only Bowie fan at TW. But that's just me thinking again.


I know that feeling. Particularly when a moderator finds he "cannot connect with Bowie" anymore

__________________________________________
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Get out of my mind! All of you!!

Grey_Nihilist
(electric tomato)
01/31/05 06:54 PM
Re: Now, here's something you'll really like! new [re: CloverThePoet]  

In reply to:

The Myth


Wha...?

In reply to:

sometimes I think that I'm the only Bowie fan at TW. But that's just me thinking again.


Could've fooled me.


This post made with meat!

RabbitFighter
(acolyte)
01/31/05 07:18 PM
Re: Now, here's something you'll really like! new [re: CloverThePoet]  

In reply to:

I think that I'm the only Bowie fan at TW


What a coincidence, it has come to my attention that i'm the only Mentors and GG Allin fan around these neck of the woods. You're cool, you can hang out with me.

Rejection is one thing
but rejection from a fool is cruel


SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
02/01/05 05:20 AM
Re: Now, here's something you'll really like! new [re: Grey_Nihilist]  

In reply to:

Wha...?


It's got a Bowie contribution.

Ok, he hums in it, I never said it was a valuable contribution. (It's from the Cat People soundtrack, but I'd presume you knew that).

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ghostlove
(kook)
02/01/05 05:41 AM
Re: Now, here's something you'll really like! new [re: RabbitFighter]  

tell us more about Mentors and GG Allin, Mr. Wabbit....

It was a dream
We live inside a dream


-Agent Phillip Jefferies

Dara
(acolyte)
02/01/05 06:21 AM
Re: Now, here's something you'll really like! new [re: jump93]  

In reply to:

Particularly when a moderator finds he "cannot connect with Bowie" anymore


Most hobbies have a finite limit to the amount of time and effort you can put into them before they cease to be interesting and/or fun. In the 10 years I've been online, I've seen very few people who have managed to maintain the same level of fandom while basing so much of their social life round the Bowie world. I put this down to people going past that breaking point. One of the reasons I've taken total breaks from TW and the rest of the Bowie online world in the past.

That said, I'm pretty much as big a Bowie fan now as I was 10 years ago. Just less inclined to keep shouting it.

I don't really understand why people choose to stick around when they're not even fans any more. If I ever "lost the faith", so to speak, I think I'd rather go somewhere else and talk about stuff I do like, not just used to like.

Slan libh,

Dara

"There are Irish people all over the world. Or people who want to be."

AdamAdministrator
(acolyte)
02/01/05 06:36 AM
Baal new [re: ghostlove]  

The Baal EP is so un-appealing to the general public, it has never been fit to release on CD. Many hardcore fans, seem to like it (if not love it), however.



'Till there was rock you only had God

ThinWhiteDuke87
(wild eyed peoploid)
02/01/05 07:12 AM
(Dis)Respect for the masses new [re: Sysiyo]  

In reply to:

Let's Dance (single edit)
China Girl (single edit)
Modern Love (single edit)


Don't forget those different edits Rykodisc made for ChangesBowie ó if EMI are cheap enough to put shorter edits of "Diamond Dogs" and "Candidate" on their bonus disks as "rarities," they'd jump at these.

Donít think about Young Americans as a makeout album

pablopicasso
(acolyte)
02/01/05 07:16 AM
Re: (Dis)Respect for the masses new [re: ThinWhiteDuke87]  

I didn't mention the edits because most people would have the single edits on BOB or the singles collection, I was thinking of a worthwhile compilation of LD era tracks.
The single versions of China girl and Let's dance are worthwhile because the album versions can sometimes just be too long, but I wouldn't relish them on a bonus disc.

I fly to the nearest bar

diamondogz74
(acolyte)
02/01/05 08:04 AM
Re: Respect for the masses new [re: Sysiyo]  

In reply to:

As for bonus tracks for the possible anniversary edition of Let's Dance...


If and when this ever comes about? I shall of course buy it for the completist that I am, the supposed bonus disc you propose is lousy ( but then there is not much to actually add that we know of ) I do infact like it when Bowie sings these tracks live.

In reply to:

sometimes I think that I'm the only Bowie fan at TW. But that's just me thinking again.


I assure you there are very many

In reply to:

Well, ya know, I thought I was sticking up for it too.


I want that one

In reply to:

It's got a Bowie contribution.

Ok, he hums in it, I never said it was a valuable contribution. (It's from the Cat People soundtrack, but I'd presume you knew that).


A hum eh? gotta be worth a mention

In reply to:

The Baal EP is so un-appealing to the general public, it has never been fit to release on CD. Many hardcore fans, seem to like it (if not love it), however.


This is the Bowie for me, this has grit.





London Bye Ta-Ta...

SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
02/01/05 09:18 AM
Wait, I wasn't supposed to talk about myself... new [re: Dara]  

In reply to:

I don't really understand why people choose to stick around when they're not even fans any more. If I ever "lost the faith", so to speak, I think I'd rather go somewhere else and talk about stuff I do like, not just used to like.


Since I'm the moderator in question, I guess I should speak up (someone has been reading my LJ it seems, as I don't remember saying the don't connect thing here).

I still enjoy Bowie's music, when I'm in the mood to play it. But it isn't as important to me as it once was. I've found that I usually take interest in something, be it a musician or a writer or things like ships, I'm really absorbed in the subject for a time (years, usually) until it's replaced by something else as my 'main interest'. However, I never completely lose interest in the old things. I'm still interested in things like railroads and ships that fascinated me as a child, and I still occasionally watch Star Trek that was a big thing for me in my teens.

Were Bowie to release a really good new album in 2005, I'll probably be back in Bowie-mode in no time. But right now, I've managed to collect just about all Bowie material there is to collect, I know all the music by heart, there's nothing new for me discover, Bowiewise. And during the last year, after nearly four years of listening almost exclusively to Bowie, I've discovered and really fallen for other musicians.

But most importantly, these are the best forums in the web. I've been to other Bowie MB's, I've been Oldfield MB's, Kraftwerk MB's, Star Trek MB's, Tolkien MB's (shortly), hell, even ship MB's, but none of them have the atmosphere that makes TW such a great place. Mainly I'd creadit it for TW's anarchic qualities. In the Tolkien board you could get banned for posting in the wrong forum or having 'a username that doesn't fit the boards'. The Oldfield boards are filled with people discussing things like 'a burnt note on Tubular Bells part 2 at 5:36 - intentional?'. I enjoy the free atmosphere here, and although I don't care so much for Bowie's music right now, I am still interested in discussing the man. (Plus, it's a justification for all the Bowie-facts I've crammed in my head).

In reply to:

I do infact like it when Bowie sings these tracks live.


The reason why I put only the one live track there is because instead of having a random collection of live tracks crammed there (which is pretty much what we got on Aladdin Sane 30th), I'd rather see a full-blown Serious Moonlight live album released.

Presumably material exists to make a really good bonus disc for the anniversary edit (demoes are bound to exist, there were additional tracks done with Queen, etc), but presumably future anniversary discs will be the same as before, with only already released material recycled. Which is a shame, of course.

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RabbitFighter
(acolyte)
02/01/05 09:33 AM
They always fall for this one new [re: ghostlove]  

Be careful what you ask for

Rejection is one thing
but rejection from a fool is cruel


pablopicasso
(acolyte)
02/01/05 10:19 AM
Wayward fans new [re: Sysiyo]  

I think we have all felt like that from time to time, for a huge part of the 90s I was a Bowie fan in name only, harldly ever listening to his work, buying the albums but hardly playing them and not even bothering with the singles. My spiritual rebirth came about six months after Heathen was released, one day it just connected with me, this was followed by discovering the internet/ebay/TW in that order and firstly getting all the official stuff I'd missed then going on to the unofficial. I have had a fantastic 18 months or so. Then I started listening to other artists again. I've not played any serious Bowie for about two months, it's all there though, and it will get a play again soon. At the moment I'm finally getting around to discovering Eno, Roxy music and Kraftwerk (expect a Kraftwerk thread to follow soon, I have questions). I would love to be able to hear Hunky Dory or Ziggy Startdust for the first time again (with age this will happen )

I think being a Bowie fan is a long-term investment and with all investments your money may go down as well as up.

I fly to the nearest bar

diamondogz74
(acolyte)
02/01/05 11:55 AM
Re: Wait, I wasn't supposed to talk about myself... new [re: Sysiyo]  

In reply to:

I'd rather see a full-blown Serious Moonlight live album released


So would I Sys and also a region 2 or 0 DVD release of that tour, I can remember buying the VHS tapes they were originally released in two parts with several months inbetween this was the first professionally shot video I had ever seen of a Bowie concert, I can well remember putting it in my VCR and being awe struck at seeing Bowie on some dockside then into the concert with it's titles before each song ( how twee that was ) and also an extra of an interview I believe, tagged on the end of one of the tapes.

And of course a remastered 5.1 dts soundtrack please.



London Bye Ta-Ta...

White Prism
(crash course raver)
02/01/05 12:48 PM
I'm deranged new [re: jump93]  

In reply to:

The whole 1. Outside album, with the exception of perhaps Strangers When We Meet because I think that is a fairly commercial song.


Yes. And given that Outside won Claude's album poll just a week or so ago yet bombed chart-wise and critically (compared to most other Bowie albums), I think it would be safe to say that album best represents our little group. (Sorry EJ )

Sweetness, sweetness I was only joking when I said
Iíd like to smash every tooth in your head


Tristan
(acolyte)
02/01/05 12:53 PM
Re: Now, here's something you'll really like! new [re: RabbitFighter]  

In reply to:

GG Allin


Should I send you private footage of GG in San Antonio, Boston, New York, Orlando & Knoxville? Or the "Kill The Police" promo? Nah, I'm afraid you'd like it too much.



RabbitFighter
(acolyte)
02/01/05 01:54 PM
Re: Now, here's something you'll really like! new [re: Tristan]  

In reply to:

I'm afraid you'd like it too much


I would actually.
GG's the man, Expose yourself to kids had a profound impact on my life. I won't go to details though...

Rejection is one thing
but rejection from a fool is cruel


SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
02/01/05 02:18 PM
Re: Wayward fans new [re: pablopicasso]  

In reply to:

(expect a Kraftwerk thread to follow soon, I have questions).


Always ready for a KW thread.

KArt | Project Michelangelo | LiveJournal

ghostlove
(kook)
02/01/05 11:58 PM
Re: Now, here's something you'll really like! new [re: RabbitFighter]  

i wonder how one acquires a taste for feces and piss. Just curious. hahaha

It was a dream
We live inside a dream


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