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CloverThePoet
(kook)
02/12/05 06:11 PM
Your Ultimate Intervention  

We as dedicated bowie fans sometimes FEEL that we are the odd ones out. But we KNOW that we are fans of the rarest type of talent. Ya know, those folks that make funny faces and joke when hearing the name David Bowie. If only they could hear what we want them the hear. What 3 cuts would produce an immediate conversion? A musical awakening to the genius that is Bowie.

To induce an awakening, Clover would have them hear:

Pallas Athena
AshesToAshes
Stay

In their secret fearful places they see their lives
Unravelling before them.

Claude
(big brother)
02/12/05 06:19 PM
Re: Your Ultimate Intervention new [re: CloverThePoet]  

In reply to:

What 3 cuts would produce an immediate conversion?


3 cuts only???

___________________
Claude




icarusboy
(kook)
02/12/05 06:26 PM
Re: Your Ultimate Intervention new [re: CloverThePoet]  

Good question...

I 'spose it really depends on who is going to listen. When i'm having a party or have friends round, I often stick a sneaky Bowie tune on to gauge the reaction....

1. Quicksand has often made people think of Bowie in a different way - not just a weird bisexual freak singing about spacemen.

2. I'm Afraid of Americans - some people have been shocked that this is Bowie when I've plaed it.

3. A lot of stuff off Earthling. A lot of people know that bowie 'did' drum & bass, but many are actally shocked by how good it is.

4. Some of the tracks off Heathen and Reality has also provoked some positive reactions from people who say they don't like Bowie....or maybe they're just being to polite for my sake?!?

5. Outside has caused some interesting discussions too...

There is so much Bowie has done, in so many different styles/genres that I'm sure there is something for everyone.

iccy


"God thinks he's all that and a bag of chips."- David Bowie

CloverThePoet
(kook)
02/12/05 06:27 PM
Re: Your Ultimate Intervention new [re: Claude]  

Yes only 3 cuts. Their attention span will tire when it comes to Bowie. the're fearful.

In their secret fearful places they see their lives
Unravelling before them.

Claude
(big brother)
02/12/05 07:19 PM
Re: Your Ultimate Intervention new [re: CloverThePoet]  

Life on Mars?
Aladdin Sane
Sweet Thing


___________________
Claude




blacktropic84
(crash course raver)
02/12/05 07:30 PM
Re: Your Ultimate Intervention new [re: CloverThePoet]  

I REALLY doubt that Pallas Athena and Stay are going to attract ANYONE to Bowie.

Try;

Suffragette City
Rebel Rebel
Cracked Actor

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BlackTropic84
Senators Decapitate The Presidential Whores
Here's Room 115, Filled With S&M Queens

CloverThePoet
(kook)
02/12/05 07:34 PM
Re: Your Ultimate Intervention new [re: blacktropic84]  

BT84, now you know that's a cultural issue. First of all, I was most attracted to Bowie with Stay from S2S. That clinched my fandom forever. The three you picked, although classic as they are, are old, clanky and rinkydink. They are out-n-out dated Bowie.

In their secret fearful places they see their lives
Unravelling before them.

Claude
(big brother)
02/12/05 07:47 PM
Re: Your Ultimate Intervention new [re: blacktropic84]  

In reply to:

Stay


It's a wonderful song!

___________________
Claude




guiltpuppy
(kook)
02/12/05 10:10 PM
Re: Your Ultimate Intervention new [re: icarusboy]  

You know, I was trying to think of a good set of songs to do this, and considering some posts, when I got stuck on this line:

In reply to:

think of Bowie in a different way - not just a weird bisexual freak singing about spacemen.



...and it occurred to me, you know, if "weird bisexual freak singing about spacemen" isn't your bag, then you're just never going to be a big Bowie fan. I mean, that's hardly the whole Bowie, but it's still pretty essential -- I don't know of anyone who calls themselves a fan in spite of the bisexual spacemen stuff. Correct me if I'm wrong.

With that in mind:

Space Oddity
Ashes to Ashes
Hallo Spaceboy (Pet Shop Boys remix)

Three drastically different songs, with the whole Major Tom thing to tie them together. Plus a clear bisexual reference in the last one! But all good songs -- if they get scared off, it's 'cause they're hopeless, otherwise, you win and will collect your reward in the afterlife.

The dreams in which I'm dying are the best I've ever had.

pablopicasso
(acolyte)
02/13/05 03:52 AM
Re: Your Ultimate Intervention new [re: guiltpuppy]  

Before I became a fan it was the 'Space' songs I liked eg
Space oddity
Starman
Life on mars (ok, I didn't get it back then I was young )

A friend of mine started playing them songs and then we went on from there (this was back in 83) and as he went on there wasn't a song I disliked, and my interest in Bowie begun.

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diamondogz74
(acolyte)
02/13/05 07:02 AM
Re: Your Ultimate Intervention new [re: icarusboy]  

In reply to:

or maybe they're just being to polite for my sake?!?


I've encountered much of that reaction and when I ask later in the week what they still think? No reaction at all.

My three tracks would be...

Station To Station
The Wild Eyed Boy From Freecloud
Absolute Beginners






London Bye Ta-Ta...

LadyGravedigger
(crash course raver)
02/13/05 08:22 AM
Re: Your Ultimate Intervention new [re: guiltpuppy]  

In reply to:

if "weird bisexual freak singing about spacemen" isn't your bag, then you're just never going to be a big Bowie fan. I mean, that's hardly the whole Bowie, but it's still pretty essential -- I don't know of anyone who calls themselves a fan in spite of the bisexual spacemen stuff.


I agree. You can make someone like for example Let's Dance, but if that person still thinks that most of what Bowie's done is weird, s/he's never going to be a fan. Of course I can't speak for all of us, but I could imagine that the most of us fans are fascinated by all those "weird" and "freaky" things he's done. So if you find a person who isn't prejudiced in that sense, there might be some chance to make that person interested.

My choices for tracks would be different in two cases. First, if I just tried to turn someone's head, and make that person think of Bowie as something else than a freak, I'd just go with some more list hit kind of material. Probably just as simple as Let's Dance, China Girl and... let's say Fashion.

On the other hand, if that person didn't mind the "weird" stuff, or was actually a little curious about it, the scale for choice would be much larger. Although I still wouldn't choose anything too difficult at first. I'd probably choose something like Ziggy Stardust, Scary Montsters and Jump They Say. Just an example. Only if that person then got more interested, I'd move on to Station to Station and The Hearts Filthy Lesson and all that kind of stuff, to show what the man's actually capable of making.

Vanity is all

LadyGravedigger
(crash course raver)
02/13/05 08:28 AM
Re: Your Ultimate Intervention new [re: diamondogz74]  

In reply to:

Station To Station


I don't think that's a good idea. That might scare most people away. When I first heard that song, I had already read about it, and knew a little of what to expect, and was curious, but it still took me more than three or four times to listen to it, before I could decide that I liked it. Now of course I think it's a master piece, but I still wouldn't make just anyone listen to it and think that would make the person a fan.

Vanity is all

CloverThePoet
(kook)
02/13/05 08:35 AM
Re: Your Ultimate Intervention new [re: pablopicasso]  

So Pablo was the successful subject of an intervention. Interesting. That begs the question, who was that proud Bowie fan who made you see the light? Have they ever posted here.

In reply to:

if "weird bisexual freak singing about spacemen" isn't your bag, then you're just never going to be a big Bowie fan


This is at the heart of the social issues regarding human sexuality, and Bowie seems to be the sound tract of sexual freedom and just being different. Earlier I mention that they are fearful. To expand, I think that Bowie brings out feelings deep inside of everyones sexual identity and most people just don't want to face what's really going on with them on some level. I really do think that most people have sexual feelings that they don't want to face. Bowie is for the uninhibited, on the most part. Mind you, I'm not saying that this is a hard and fast rule, just that a lot of times this is the case. i.e. If I admit to liking Bowie, I admit to having those other sexual attributes.

In their secret fearful places they see their lives
Unravelling before them.

diamondogz74
(acolyte)
02/13/05 08:46 AM
Re: Your Ultimate Intervention new [re: LadyGravedigger]  

In reply to:

but I still wouldn't make just anyone listen to it and think that would make the person a fan.


Yeah I know what you mean by that statement Kati, but my thinking is of playing them this which pretty much encompasses all his work styles IMO, perhaps it's my wishful thinking that I could make someone a fan from a song I consider pure genius

I can honestly say hand on heart there isn't one song that I havn't taken too on first listen, an album yes! but you all know what that is by now for those of you who do not? It's initials are LD




London Bye Ta-Ta...

pablopicasso
(acolyte)
02/13/05 08:55 AM
Re: Your Ultimate Intervention new [re: CloverThePoet]  

As I have mentioned in the past up until my conversion, I was pretty 'anti' Bowie, in 1980 I heard 'Scream like a baby' and couldn't believe how awful it was and that in combination with 'Ashes to Ashes' which I detested. The person who changed my mind, well I haven't seen him since about 1991 and don't think he posts here or anywhere else I visit. If he does, he hasn't recognised me, nor I him. My fandom soon eclipsed his anyway.

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diamondogz74
(acolyte)
02/13/05 09:05 AM
Re: Your Ultimate Intervention new [re: pablopicasso]  

In reply to:

'Ashes to Ashes' which I detested


It seems so odd to read that now considering what huge fans we all are, what was in it particular that you detested so much about this song?



London Bye Ta-Ta...

pablopicasso
(acolyte)
02/13/05 09:14 AM
Re: Your Ultimate Intervention new [re: diamondogz74]  

Well at that point in time I was a Mod, so it was just not the sort of music I was interested.

I just couldn't stand the strange opening music and his voice just irritated me. When Fashion came out, I didn't mind that so much, disliked Scary monsters, but thought Up the hill backwards was ok

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EJSundayModerator
(acolyte)
02/13/05 09:19 AM
Off Target new [re: pablopicasso]  

In reply to:

Well at that point in time I was a Mod


Good Lord.

And I want to believe
In the madness that calls 'now'


pablopicasso
(acolyte)
02/13/05 09:30 AM
Re: Off Target new [re: EJSunday]  

It's ok, I'm not after your job

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diamondogz74
(acolyte)
02/13/05 09:48 AM
Re: Your Ultimate Intervention new [re: pablopicasso]  

In reply to:

but thought Up the hill backwards was ok


Now that is amazing! but yes I can understand your thoughts at that time, Up the hill backwards when it first came out was very new and the lyrics pretty much inaudible to my ears, but instantly catchy none the less.





London Bye Ta-Ta...

schizophrenic
(cracked actor)
02/13/05 11:29 AM
Re: Your Ultimate Intervention new [re: CloverThePoet]  

I've actually used these songs and believe me, they work.

Heart's Filthy Lesson (50th birthday concert): I will insist to the day I die that this is the definitive version of the song. For all your "alternative" friends.

Modern Love: For the pop fans on your conversion list. They'll be hooked, I guarantee.

"Heroes": I'm talking the full six minute version here. Even people who hate Bowie seem to like this one.





Mxy
(wild eyed peoploid)
02/13/05 11:51 AM
Re: Your Ultimate Intervention new [re: schizophrenic]  

A lot of my Bowie ignorant friends love "Heroes". I think it's the Oasis cover.

I think it depends on the taste of the person. If they like soul, show them tracks from Young Americans. If they like drum n' bass, show them tracks from Earthling. If they like crap, show them tracks from Tonight. And so on.

I have a friend who loves Michael Jackson (...and he calls me a fag for liking Bowie...). I showed him Time Will Crawl and he said "he's still gay, but that's pretty good."

Bring back Bowie's moustache!

CloverThePoet
(kook)
02/13/05 12:21 PM
Re: Your Ultimate Intervention new [re: Mxy]  

Please pretend that I'm posting as my alter, "TheWizard"

The little Bombadier
Please Mr. Gravedigger
Don't sit down

thanks

In their secret fearful places they see their lives
Unravelling before them.

pablopicasso
(acolyte)
02/13/05 12:27 PM
Re: Your Ultimate Intervention new [re: CloverThePoet]  

That is an interesting choice there, Wizard.

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SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
02/13/05 02:31 PM
Station To Bowie new [re: LadyGravedigger]  

The biggest problem with this whole idea is that people have very different tastes, so you'll need to play different kind of songs to different kind of people. For instance, I have a friend who's into funk big time and adores Young Americans and StationToStation but can't stand Bowie otherwise.

And speaking of Station To Station...

In reply to:

I don't think that's [playing Station To Station] a good idea. That might scare most people away. When I first heard that song, I had already read about it, and knew a little of what to expect, and was curious, but it still took me more than three or four times to listen to it, before I could decide that I liked it.


Station To Station was the second Bowie album I ever bought. I had no idea what to expect from it, but I immidiately fell in love with the title track.

And thanks to you I'm listening to it again, for the first time this year.

KArt | Project Michelangelo | LiveJournal

diamondogz74
(acolyte)
02/13/05 03:00 PM
Re: Station To Bowie new [re: Sysiyo]  

In reply to:

Station To Station was the second Bowie album I ever bought. I had no idea what to expect from it, but I immidiately fell in love with the title track.


It is just the perfect Bowie song, from it's opening train sounds to the pulsating sound of the piano chords into the full steam of the song, this is why I chose it as a track to maybe influence a non Bowie listener, It has a beginning and a perfect end, I would go so far as declearing it probably the most perfect song he has ever written, Yes I know Im bias but none the less these are my thoughts.



London Bye Ta-Ta...

SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
02/13/05 05:35 PM
The return of the return of the Thin White Duke new [re: diamondogz74]  

I would rather have the ending reprise the first part, like on the Stage version. Otherwise the album version is pretty perfect.

KArt | Project Michelangelo | LiveJournal

ThinWhiteDuke87
(wild eyed peoploid)
02/14/05 06:47 AM
Re: Station To Bowie new [re: diamondogz74]  

Yeah, I would have to pick this one ó it really is perfect. I have to admit, though, that the first time I heard the album version all I thought was "Mmm . . . the other one was a bit faster," having heard the Stage version (via Sound+Vision) already. The second time, I think it was, I fell completely in love with it. Now the Stage version can irritate me.

If I'm picking two more, then I'd use "Golden Years" and "Ashes to Ashes" . . . possibly "Art Decade," had I the chance, because it is rather beautiful ó and it gives you the gist of his experimental inclinations.

Donít think about Young Americans as a makeout album

diamondogz74
(acolyte)
02/14/05 06:57 AM
Re: Station To Bowie new [re: ThinWhiteDuke87]  

In reply to:

The second time, I think it was, I fell completely in love with it. Now the Stage version can irritate me


I read this the other day concerning the version on Stage and was quite disgusted at how it had been hacked about like a child with a tape recorder Tony Visconti wrote...

The only 'cheating' I am guilty of was cutting into the middle of "Station To Station" with a section from another night and city. The beginning and end are from Boston but the middle is from Providence. The possibility of making such edits was planned from the time I set up the sound for the first show. After I made an initial band set up, complete with equalization, dynamic processing and track assignment, I instructed my crew never to change anything on the console from show to show, and to always to use the same exact microphones. After each show a big X was made across the console in white tape, with a written warning that anyone who touches the console would be castrated.

Enormous credit goes to drummer Dennis Davis for consistently playing the same tempo from night to night, making such an edit possible. My reason for the edit was because "Station To Station" was over eight minutes long and we didn't have one great complete take for one reason or another. They were all good takes, but I needed a great one! The Boston/Providence/Boston solution worked like a dream.





London Bye Ta-Ta...

pablopicasso
(acolyte)
02/14/05 07:39 AM
Re: Station To Bowie new [re: diamondogz74]  

Yeah, but until you read that you didn't know, and you liked the track. So it makes no real difference, it is or was quite standard practice to creat a song like that. Some Beatles songs are created out of 3 or four different takes spliced together, but because of the skill of the producer, you don't see it.

It's like a film, if the effect looks realistic enough, it doesn't matter that it isn't real. You just accept it for what it is. And with the case of STS from stage, we are talking about a fantastic version of the song.

Sys, I like that ending too.

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SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
02/14/05 07:42 AM
It's too late to be hateful. new [re: pablopicasso]  

I agree. I'd rather have a great 'cheated' version than a mediocre 'honest' one.

KArt | Project Michelangelo | LiveJournal

diamondogz74
(acolyte)
02/14/05 07:49 AM
Re: Station To Bowie new [re: pablopicasso]  

In reply to:

Yeah, but until you read that you didn't know, and you liked the track. So it makes no real difference, it is or was quite standard practice to creat a song like that. Some Beatles songs are created out of 3 or four different takes spliced together, but because of the skill of the producer, you don't see it.


Oh don't me wrong Alan I do love the live version of S2S off Stage It's just that I don't like feeling tricked all these years into thinking it was a complete cut and not edited about and I didn't know that about the Beatles songs either.

In reply to:

And with the case of STS from stage, we are talking about a fantastic version of the song.


Agreed 100%



London Bye Ta-Ta...

ThinWhiteDuke87
(wild eyed peoploid)
02/15/05 07:23 AM
Re: Station To Bowie new [re: pablopicasso]  

By the Stage version irritating me, I didn' mean through the edits; I just don't think it has quite the same feeling and intensity as the album version. And the best bit (IMO; the guitar soloĖsecond "not the side effects of the cocaine" onward) isn't there. That bugs me.

Donít think about Young Americans as a makeout album

LadyGravedigger
(crash course raver)
02/15/05 01:24 PM
Re: Station To Bowie new [re: Sysiyo]  

In reply to:

Station To Station was the second Bowie album I ever bought. I had no idea what to expect from it, but I immediately fell in love with the title track.


That might be because you seem to like Bowie's instrumentals. When I first listened to StoS, I just waited for Bowie to start singing Of course now the beginning doesn't seem too long, and as I've mentioned before, I've learned to like Bowie's instrumentals anyway.

For me a song or an album I like instantly, is very likely to be something I also get bored with easily. When I need more time to get into the album or the song and start liking it slowly, I'll keep my interest much longer. And sometimes I even have these sensations, like the last time I listened to Ziggy Stardust -album. I've always thought it was good, but suddenly I just loved it! Of course there are exceptions. Like Diamond Dogs. I've loved it since the beginning, and it's still my favorite.

Vanity is all

diamondogz74
(acolyte)
02/15/05 02:56 PM
Re: Station To Bowie new [re: LadyGravedigger]  

In reply to:

For me a song or an album I like instantly, is very likely to be something I also get bored with easily. When I need more time to get into the album or the song and start liking it slowly, I'll keep my interest much longer.


I do understand what you are saying Kati but when it comes to Bowie I find the more you listen the more you understand, It's like a big musical jigsaw, some songs/artists flow with the tide in vogue out of vogue whatever? but with Bowie I find it a constant revelation everytime I understand that little bit more of the man and his music.

Incidently Kati how long have you been an actual fan of his music? I take it the fascination with the man himself came after the music yes?



London Bye Ta-Ta...

LadyGravedigger
(crash course raver)
02/15/05 03:35 PM
Re: Station To Bowie new [re: diamondogz74]  

In reply to:

Incidently Kati how long have you been an actual fan of his music? I take it the fascination with the man himself came after the music yes?


I think I've talked about this in a few occasions... But I'll try to keep it short. I think it all started with Heathen, so I'm still pretty new with this I bought it in Athens in the summer, and I think it had come out some time earlier. I loved it (yes instantly, and I still do, so there's another exception) After that I got the Best of -album. Then I got that David Buckley's book for my birthday, and at the same time I was reading it, the Free Record Shop started having this campaign with 2 cd:s for 20Ä with most of Bowie's albums in that sale too, so reading the book, I ended up bying albums. And after the concert here in Helsinki, there was just no turning back

So... As I've said before, I think I've been fascinated by Bowie before. I've always loved his voice. And when I was 16 or 17 I bought Black Tie White Noise on tape, because I thought Jump They Say was such a cool video, and I also liked the song. I guess the album just didn't impress me enough at the time, although lately I've been listening to it quite a lot. A few years later I saw "Heroes" on sale and bought it out of curiosity. I liked it, but not enough. Not nearly as much as I do now! And then came Heathen...

So, I'd say that I didn't know much about his music before. I'd mostly heard these Let's Dance and China Girl and all those. But something about Bowie, without even knowing anything about his past, made me interested. He was just so good looking and, as I said, I LOVE the voice... So... This answer became quite long... I don't know. Probably because of his incredible career and great albums, it wasn't as easy to just forget about him that fast.

Vanity is all

diamondogz74
(acolyte)
02/15/05 03:36 PM
Re: It's too late to be hateful. new [re: Sysiyo]  

This from one of the very lucky Bowienetters who won a place at Abbey Roads premier of both albums, In particular responce too S2S off Stage

The ingenuity of Station To Station being 'stuck' together defies explanation and the way the sound swirled around our heads, echoing from speaker to speaker completely took you in. The audience were again behind me, swaying and clapping, I was with them.

I for one cannot wait too hear these albums.



London Bye Ta-Ta...

pablopicasso
(acolyte)
02/15/05 03:48 PM
Re: It's too late to be hateful. new [re: diamondogz74]  

Audience on Stage? Sounding better all the time.

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SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
02/15/05 04:15 PM
Re: It's too late to be hateful. new [re: pablopicasso]  

Audience on Stage? This keeps getting worse...

Well, at least I've got the original mix to fall back on.

KArt | Project Michelangelo | LiveJournal

diamondogz74
(acolyte)
02/16/05 08:23 AM
Re: Station To Bowie new [re: LadyGravedigger]  

In reply to:

I LOVE the voice... So... This answer became quite long... I don't know. Probably because of his incredible career and great albums, it wasn't as easy to just forget about him that fast


Thank you Kati, I'd say that's a very good reply to my question, I can remember seeing him when I was very young singing on television with orange hair and with that plus the spaceman songs I too was hooked and 28 years later Im as hooked as I was then

In reply to:

Audience on Stage? Sounding better all the time.


Maybe he was talking figuratively and not literally?

In reply to:

Audience on Stage? This keeps getting worse...


It would add a nice touch to an otherwize cold album, Im not sure what the guy actually meant by those words? but Diamond_Dave has both live albums now and could let us know.



London Bye Ta-Ta...

SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
02/16/05 09:09 AM
Re: Station To Bowie new [re: diamondogz74]  

In reply to:

It would add a nice touch to an otherwize cold album, Im not sure what the guy actually meant by those words? but Diamond_Dave has both live albums now and could let us know.


Or you could check out my new thread concerning Stage.

As for Stage sounding cold... like I implicated on that thread, I had never percieved the sound on Stage as cold but that probably is because my (up until today only) CD copy was copied off the original vinyl, and the CD retained some of vinyl's warmth, and I never thought additional audience sounds would be needed.

KArt | Project Michelangelo | LiveJournal

diamondogz74
(acolyte)
02/16/05 10:49 AM
Re: Station To Bowie new [re: Sysiyo]  

In reply to:

As for Stage sounding cold... like I implicated on that thread, I had never percieved the sound on Stage as cold but that probably is because my (up until today only) CD copy was copied off the original vinyl, and the CD retained some of vinyl's warmth


Just read your review and have left comment on it

Pure digital sound can appear to be cold as with pure digital photography ( we have talked of this before ) Fascinating to read how you track listed your CD from the LP, you have considerable more patience than me with technology.



London Bye Ta-Ta...

SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
02/16/05 12:23 PM
Re: Station To Bowie new [re: diamondogz74]  

In reply to:

Fascinating to read how you track listed your CD from the LP, you have considerable more patience than me with technology.


I actually had quite a lot of fun doing that. In addition to Stage my copy of Ziggy Stardust The Motion Picture (which I still haven't replaced) and much of my 12" remix collection were transferred to CD that way.

Of course, as said I had access to top class hardware and software that were easy to use, without the technology it would have been a very tedious task (the equipment wasn't mine, btw).

TediousArt | Project Boredom | DullJournal

LadyGravedigger
(crash course raver)
02/16/05 01:23 PM
Re: Station To Bowie new [re: diamondogz74]  

In reply to:

I too was hooked and 28 years later Im as hooked as I was then


Could it be, that our preferences to different Bowie -eras have something to do with the time we first got interested? I mean, as I've said before, even though I find Bowie's past fascinating and love most of his older albums, I still prefere the current Bowie. Not necessarily musically, but just in general. Could it be because the BTWN Bowie was actually my first proper contact with his music? And you like the older things, because those were your first contact. Just a though!

Vanity is all

diamondogz74
(acolyte)
02/16/05 02:17 PM
Re: Station To Bowie new [re: Sysiyo]  

In reply to:

Of course, as said I had access to top class hardware and software that were easy to use, without the technology it would have been a very tedious task (the equipment wasn't mine, btw).


It sounds complicated and very expensive technology, I only wish I had committed my vinyl to CD this way ( before I sold it all ) and in the order I would have liked, so duz that mean you can still hear the odd crackle like you would on an LP?

In reply to:

Could it be, that our preferences to different Bowie -eras have something to do with the time we first got interested?


Im sure you have an extremely valid point there Kati, I mean I simply adore his 1960s recordings ( because they were the first ones I could actually afford ) and I grew up with Bowie in my musical life, to me he's always been there.

In reply to:

Could it be because the BTWN Bowie was actually my first proper contact with his music? And you like the older things, because those were your first contact. Just a though!


BTWN was a big event in my life also, I was feeling a bit tired of Bowie after his late 1980s material then all of a sudden this wonderful album BTWN came out and in some ways it reminded me of the early Bowie especially in the meaningful rich vocals, I also remember CDs being very expensive at that time early 1990s and the incentive at that time to buy the CD was an extra track called "Lucy Can't Dance" which was not on the cassette or the LP





London Bye Ta-Ta...

SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
02/16/05 04:03 PM
Re: Station To Bowie new [re: diamondogz74]  

In reply to:

It sounds complicated and very expensive technology, I only wish I had committed my vinyl to CD this way ( before I sold it all ) and in the order I would have liked, so duz that mean you can still hear the odd crackle like you would on an LP?


It does indeed maintain the crackles (though, theoretically it least, much of them could be removed but I thought it was neater to keep them in. I actually even included the thud the needle propiing on the LP in the beginning of my Ziggy TMP. I was going to keep the sound of the needle lifting, too, but forgot ).

Anyway, you don't actually need any expensive technology, just a vinyl turntable, a cable to connect it to your computer and a good soundcard. And a .wav recording program plus enough space to story all the copied material.

In reply to:

Could it be, that our preferences to different Bowie -eras have something to do with the time we first got interested?


I wouldn't be so certain. I got interested around 1999, started buying the albums in 2000 but I still don't like 'hours...'.

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pablopicasso
(acolyte)
02/16/05 04:16 PM
Re: Station To Bowie new [re: Sysiyo]  

I used that to do all my Bowie 12"s although I do want to do it again as I now have a better grasp on using the software and would like to get the sound better. If possible, it is best to keep the effects to a minimum as they just compress the audio. Also when I did it last I used my Acer (spit!) laptop and it gave the whole recording a nasty hum, which I didn't notice til I burn't the project to discs ( I was making facsimile cd singles from Blue Jean to Time will crawl, with the cds having every variation of the track inc b sides but not including the readily available album version.

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LadyGravedigger
(crash course raver)
02/17/05 01:11 PM
Re: Station To Bowie new [re: Sysiyo]  

In reply to:

I wouldn't be so certain. I got interested around 1999, started buying the albums in 2000 but I still don't like 'hours...'.


I think that has more to do with hours... than you... I really can't imagine that album making anyone a fan.

Vanity is all

LadyGravedigger
(crash course raver)
02/17/05 01:13 PM
Re: Station To Bowie new [re: diamondogz74]  

In reply to:

the CD was an extra track called "Lucy Can't Dance" which was not on the cassette or the LP


The funny thing is, that if Lucy Can't Dance had been on the casette, I might have liked it much more back then

Vanity is all

diamondogz74
(acolyte)
02/17/05 02:53 PM
Re: Station To Bowie new [re: LadyGravedigger]  

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The funny thing is, that if Lucy Can't Dance had been on the casette, I might have liked it much more back then


Very clever marketing by BMG at the time, as you know Kati record stores/shops receive advance copies and HMV were playing that bonus track non-stop and believe it or not there was quite a sum of money extra at that time for the CD.

I've always loved that dancing track and there was debate on here once saying it referred too Madonna in some way?



London Bye Ta-Ta...

SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
02/17/05 03:05 PM
Re: Station To Bowie new [re: diamondogz74]  

It is a great shame it wasn't released as a single (preferrably the first single) and included on the album. Both would have probably sold better.

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diamondogz74
(acolyte)
02/17/05 03:28 PM
Re: Station To Bowie new [re: Sysiyo]  

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It is a great shame it wasn't released as a single (preferrably the first single) and included on the album. Both would have probably sold better.


Undoubtably it would have I agree, the first single was "Jump They Say" Im a little rusty on the second was it "Miracle Goodnight"?



London Bye Ta-Ta...

pablopicasso
(acolyte)
02/17/05 03:36 PM
Re: Station To Bowie new [re: diamondogz74]  

Black tie white noise was the second single with Mircale goodnight being the third.

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SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
02/17/05 03:37 PM
Prime cuts. new [re: diamondogz74]  

The first single was indeed Jump They Say, the second Black Tie White Noise and the third Miracle Goodnight.

History also records that Bowie originally wanted to use Nite Flights as the first single, but in the end the record company persuaded him against using a cover song as his 'comeback' single. The track was also planned as the fourth single off the album, but in the end it was dropped in favour of The Buddha Of Suburbia single.

Looking back, the singles should have probably been Lucy Can't Dance, Jump They Say and Miracle Goodnight, in that order (although personally I wouldn't mind Nite Flights replacing Miracle Goodnight as the 3rd single, but it probably had less commercial appeal).

Edit. Pablo clearly beat me to it.

Project Michelangelo | LiveJournal

diamondogz74
(acolyte)
02/17/05 03:57 PM
Re: Station To Bowie new [re: pablopicasso]  

In reply to:

Black tie white noise was the second single with Mircale goodnight being the third.


And were these all UK releases? because I had a bit of difficulty in obtaining my "Miracle Goodnight" CD single, mind you Im pleased I managed to buy it the mixes are superb.

In reply to:

History also records that Bowie originally wanted to use Nite Flights as the first single, but in the end the record company persuaded him against using a cover song as his 'comeback' single. The track was also planned as the fourth single off the album, but in the end it was dropped in favour of The Buddha Of Suburbia single.



As much as I love "Nite Flights" I don't think that would have been a good idea, maybe putting the record buying public off, but I can fully understand Mr Bowie is wanting it as a single for it's unique sound.



London Bye Ta-Ta...

pablopicasso
(acolyte)
02/17/05 04:02 PM
Re: Station To Bowie new [re: diamondogz74]  

Yeah they were all UK releases (along with elsewhere). Miracle was the last Bowie single I managed to buy in my hometown until Thursday child four years later.

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AdamAdministrator
(acolyte)
02/17/05 06:20 PM
BTWN Singles new [re: Sysiyo]  

In reply to:

Looking back, the singles should have probably been Lucy Can't Dance, Jump They Say and Miracle Goodnight,


Agreed, although I may have been inclined to push 'Miracle Goodnight' ahead of 'Jump They Say' as that has a catchier riff and chorus (imo).

'Night Flights' is a great song but I don't think it would have faired as well. Bowie wanting that song seems akin to 'The Hearts Filthy Lesson' from Outside.

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BigFatDog
(wild eyed peoploid)
02/17/05 07:17 PM
Re: The return of the return of the Thin White Duke new [re: Sysiyo]  

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Otherwise the album version is pretty perfect.


I've always thought it lacked the tempo and ferocity it gains when played live.



SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
02/18/05 04:04 AM
Interthreadiality. new [re: BigFatDog]  

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I've always thought it lacked the tempo and ferocity it gains when played live.


I pretty much agree with what ThinWhiteDuke87 said on this thread:

"STS" just doesn't sound right without that very insistent pace, almost hammering the lyrics in . . . kind of like a chant, almost, and with all the kabbalah/black magic references, it's like a cult thing. That’s definitely like nothing I've heard in modern rock music.

The whole thing is of course a matter of preference, but I prefer the album version's tempo.

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Mxy
(wild eyed peoploid)
02/18/05 11:28 PM
Re: Interthreadiality. new [re: Sysiyo]  

On the subject of converting people into Bowieness, I achieved that yesterday by playing A Reality Tour while my friend painted a ceiling. I had showed him Ziggy, Serious Moonlight and Glass Spider, but only Reality did the trick. I think the DVD, like the tour, is perfectly designed to please fans while luring new people in.

BTW, has anyone noticed that A Reality Tour ends with the exact two songs Ziggy begins with? Could this be intentional?

Bring back Bowie's moustache!

LadyGravedigger
(crash course raver)
02/19/05 08:32 AM
Re: Station To Bowie new [re: diamondogz74]  

In reply to:

believe it or not there was quite a sum of money extra at that time for the CD.


I didn't even have a CD-player back then, so it wasn't really an option for me anyway. Funny. Now I have a collection of cassettes I never play anymore. And if our only cassette-player breaks some day, it's very unlikely we'll ever get a new one. Even our VCR's been broken for ages and I don't think we'll ever get it fixed. We just watch DVD:s.

Vanity is all

pablopicasso
(acolyte)
02/19/05 10:03 AM
Putting on the black tie new [re: LadyGravedigger]  

Black tie White noise was the first 'new' Bowie album I bought on CD, I think I got a cd player in 1992, although by that time I had a few Bowie cd's because our local Woolworths had a lot of the 1990/91 reissues (with bonus) tracks in a sale. I completed my initial Bowie cd album collection with the acquisition of Live and Stage in 1997, alhough it wasn't until 2002 that I finally bought Tonight (for £1.99 in Safeway).

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diamondogz74
(freecloud)
02/19/05 10:27 AM
Re: Station To Bowie new [re: LadyGravedigger]  

In reply to:


I didn't even have a CD-player back then, so it wasn't really an option for me anyway. Funny. Now I have a collection of cassettes I never play anymore. And if our only cassette-player breaks some day, it's very unlikely we'll ever get a new one. Even our VCR's been broken for ages and I don't think we'll ever get it fixed. We just watch DVD:s.


I got my first CD player not long after BTWN came out and it was a lot of money, so I bought the cassette version and the CD version later when I was earning more It duz seem odd now to think of cassettes, but I do have all Bowie albums and some singles on cassette singles and although I cannot no longer play them I wouldn't part with them, my treasures as I call them, I sold\gave to charities my other cassettes and old VHS tapes, the only VHS tapes I own and cannot play are my Bowie VHS tapes.

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alhough it wasn't until 2002 that I finally bought Tonight (for £1.99 in Safeway).


And after scraping off all the jam did it play?






London Bye Ta-Ta...

pablopicasso
(acolyte)
02/19/05 11:30 AM
Re: Station To Bowie new [re: diamondogz74]  

[quote]And after scraping off all the jam did it play?[quote]

Anthony, can you not remember the hype in the late 80s when cd first became really prominent when people said you could smear jam, peanut butter on cds and they would still play perfectly

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schizophrenic
(cracked actor)
02/19/05 11:34 AM
Re: Interthreadiality. new [re: Mxy]  

In reply to:

BTW, has anyone noticed that A Reality Tour ends with the exact two songs Ziggy begins with? Could this be intentional?


Of course not. What's the matter with you?


It's all so deliciously wicked...

diamondogz74
(freecloud)
02/19/05 02:46 PM
Re: Station To Bowie new [re: pablopicasso]  

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Anthony, can you not remember the hype in the late 80s when cd first became really prominent when people said you could smear jam, peanut butter on cds and they would still play perfectly


Yeah I can remember very well Alan lol, Lord how stupid was that? I used to view Tomorrows world ( a very good technology programe for those who do not know it ) and they were spreading jam\peanut butter all kinds of stuff on the CD, this proved zilch to me when I saw CD wipes on sale for removing dust from CDs.

Then there was the famous wall-to-wall wallpaper thin television I mean as if?



London Bye Ta-Ta...

guiltpuppy
(electric tomato)
02/19/05 04:56 PM
Re: Station To Bowie new [re: pablopicasso]  

In reply to:

Anthony, can you not remember the hype in the late 80s when cd first became really prominent when people said you could smear jam, peanut butter on cds and they would still play perfectly



I'm pretty sure somebody has tried that on every used GWAR cd I've ever purchased.

"Aww, fuck man, it's ruined."
"Let's go sell it and use the money to buy more peanut butter."

The dreams in which I'm dying are the best I've ever had.

Mxy
(wild eyed peoploid)
02/19/05 06:41 PM
Re: Interthreadiality. new [re: schizophrenic]  

In reply to:

Of course not. What's the matter with you?



:(

I'm sorry.

Bring back Bowie's moustache!

schizophrenic
(cracked actor)
02/19/05 11:24 PM
Re: Interthreadiality. new [re: Mxy]  

Don't be so apologetic. It makes me feel bad about being an asshole.

Bananas! Bananas! Bananas? BANANAS!

ThinWhiteDuke87
(wild eyed peoploid)
02/20/05 06:26 AM
Re: Station To Bowie new [re: diamondogz74]  

I was too young for it, but did anyone ever try ó with all seriousness ó to improve the sound of a CD by coloring it with a green felt-tip pen?

Donít think about Young Americans as a makeout album

diamondogz74
(freecloud)
02/20/05 08:30 AM
Re: Station To Bowie new [re: ThinWhiteDuke87]  

In reply to:

to improve the sound of a CD by coloring it with a green felt-tip pen?


I've never ever heard of that practice, could it be something in the colour green that attracts the laser better?

I do know that Sony are experimenting with a new blue laser that can access hours and hours of data from one CD.

And NO I have never ever smeared jam\peanut butter over my CDs Tongue yes lol



London Bye Ta-Ta...

Mxy
(wild eyed peoploid)
02/20/05 11:32 AM
Re: Interthreadiality. new [re: schizophrenic]  

In reply to:

Don't be so apologetic. It makes me feel bad about being an asshole.


Oh Gob, I'm sorry for that...

:(

Bring back Bowie's moustache!

schizophrenic
(cracked actor)
02/20/05 03:06 PM
Re: Interthreadiality. new [re: Mxy]  

AAAAAARRRGGH!

Bananas! Bananas! Bananas? BANANAS!

ThinWhiteDuke87
(wild eyed peoploid)
02/21/05 05:49 AM
Re: Station To Bowie new [re: diamondogz74]  

In reply to:

I've never ever heard of that practice, could it be something in the colour green that attracts the laser better?


I doubt it; it doesn't work. I think it was just part of the fuss when CDs first came out that they sounded colder than vinyl, blah, blah, blah. It's kind've gone now that improved remastering exists.

Donít think about Young Americans as a makeout album


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