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GFried
(electric tomato)
03/10/05 09:24 PM
THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new  

I'll do it in poll form for ease of use and maximum accesibility.


Bowie's Worst Album!
Space Oddity
Other

View the results for this poll


Well, let's see the results!



GFried
(electric tomato)
03/10/05 09:36 PM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! [re: GFried]  

Ok, that poll is unrealistic, I admit. The "Other" option should be ommitted, thereby TELLING you that Bowie's worst album is Space Oddity. Here's a poll more people might approve of:


Bowie's Worst Album!
Liza Jane single
David Bowie
Space Oddity
The Man Who Sold the World
Hunky Dory
Ziggy Stardust
Aladdin Sane
Pin Ups
Diamond Dogs
Young Americans
Station to Station
Low
Heroes
Lodger
Scary Monsters
Let's Dance
Tonight
Never Let Me Down
Tin Machine
Tin Machine 2
Black Tie White Noise
Bhudda of Suburbia
Outside
Earthling
Hours
Heathen
Reality
stupid sissy option: Other

View the results for this poll


By golly, this poll is almost Claudeesque!

____________________________

GFried



Marquis
(acolyte)
03/11/05 01:45 PM
Keep it simple, stupid new [re: GFried]  

Find me a song on Reality that comes anywhere close to being in the same ballpark of goodness as 'Letter to Hermione.' It can't be done.

Space Oddity is even more underrated than Young Americans, if not quite as genius.

Fumble out of bed and stumble to the kitchen
Pour myself a cup of ambition
And yawn and stretch, and my life is a mess
And if I never make it home today, God bless


diamondogz74
(freecloud)
03/11/05 03:54 PM
Re: Keep it simple, stupid new [re: Marquis]  

In reply to:

Space Oddity is even more underrated than Young Americans, if not quite as genius.


Yet again I find myself agreeing with you 100%

My vote went for Let's Dance as most members would have gathered.


London Bye Ta-Ta...

jump93
(electric tomato)
03/11/05 04:37 PM
Re: Keep it simple, stupid new [re: diamondogz74]  

Reality is doing quite well lol.

__________________________________________
www.mikepowell.cjb.net

Get out of my mind! All of you!!

ocean
(grinning soul)
03/11/05 04:46 PM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: GFried]  

I can't believe Reality is voted second worst so far....



EJSundayModerator
(heroic dolphin)
03/11/05 04:47 PM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: GFried]  

Those who do not vote for "Tonight" here probably haven't heard it. That album is so low, it is beyond description. And even if we all agree that "Loving The Alien" is fine the rest is so boring to bad that it easily qualifies as his worst album.

And I want to believe
In the madness that calls 'now'


Marquis
(acolyte)
03/11/05 05:38 PM
Abstention Roxx new [re: EJSunday]  

In reply to:

Those who do not vote for "Tonight" here probably haven't heard it.


Guilty as charged. Actually, that's why I didn't vote at all, because I don't own Tonight, and the reason I don't own Tonight is because I haven't yet found one in a dumpster.

Fumble out of bed and stumble to the kitchen
Pour myself a cup of ambition
And yawn and stretch, and my life is a mess
And if I never make it home today, God bless


Strawman
(acolyte)
03/11/05 05:43 PM
Re: Abstention Roxx new [re: Marquis]  

Yes, but do you like chicken?



FastChanges
(mortal with potential)
03/11/05 06:11 PM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: EJSunday]  

Have you listened to "Tin Machine II" lately ?

We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity

EJSundayModerator
(heroic dolphin)
03/11/05 06:14 PM
The Difference In Failing new [re: FastChanges]  

I know what you mean, but Tin Machine was at least an honest attempt to make special music - "Tonight" wasn't. And Tin Machine live wasn't that bad either.

And I want to believe
In the madness that calls 'now'


schizophrenic
(cracked actor)
03/11/05 06:19 PM
Re: The Difference In Failing new [re: EJSunday]  

You're right. It was terrible.

And that's what happens when you type while vomiting.

blacktropic84
(crash course raver)
03/11/05 06:36 PM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: GFried]  

My vote goes for David Bowie.

--------------
Tickle My Bunny, Please

jump93
(electric tomato)
03/11/05 07:27 PM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: blacktropic84]  

I love Tin Machine II if anything it is the first Tin Machine album, but even that isn't so bad compared to Tonght, I mean at least it has some good tracks such as Under The God, I Can't Read and Amazing.

__________________________________________
www.mikepowell.cjb.net

Get out of my mind! All of you!!

FastChanges
(mortal with potential)
03/11/05 07:44 PM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: jump93]  

IMHO, the Tin Machine albums are a little worse than "Tonight" and "Never let me down".

"Space Oddity" is not that bad. The title doesn't fit the album at all it's true, but there are some good songs on it.

For me the Bowie history begins with "The width of a circle" anyway, the rest is just a pleasant preamble.

We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity

orcajenn
(crash course raver)
03/11/05 08:29 PM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: GFried]  

Why oh why do i actually like everything!?! i can't partake in this ridiculous poll.

everything looks like it's spelled wrong. maybe that's a sign of something.

Throw it against the wall.
Stamp on the fish!



GFried
(electric tomato)
03/12/05 01:24 AM
Here's the truth: new [re: Marquis]  

In reply to:

Space Oddity is even more underrated than Young Americans, if not quite as genius.


Young Americans is indeed underrated. Space Oddity has a few good tracks (An Occasional Dream, Wild Eyed Boy, Cygnet Committe, title track) and very little on the album is actually bad, but most of it is extremely dull and boring. God Knows I'm Good is terrible actually, and Unwashed and Janine are almost as bad. Just not a very good album in my opinion.

I'll admit that Tin Machine 1 and Tonight are right there at the bottom of the pile as the worst albums. TM1 in particular, I could be convinced is Bowie's worst... possibly patchier than Space Oddity and way too long.

Tonight at least has Loving the Alien and Blue Jean, the latter which is one of his most perfect tracks.

As for Reality, which is getting a ton of votes... yes, it's in his lower third for sure, but certainly not his 2nd worst as you all seem to believe.



JoeTheLion84
(grinning soul)
03/12/05 02:12 AM
Re: Here's the truth: new [re: GFried]  

I'm not sure which is really the worst album, but I can pin it down to one of five I think:
1: David Bowie
2: Tonight
3: Never Let Me Down
4: Tin Machine
5: Tin Machine II

I can also see how votes would go for Reality (save New Killer Star and Bring Me the Disco King, almost entirely mediocre). I don't understand how someone could say Hours is worst with brilliant tracks like Something in the Air, New Angels of Promise, and The Dreamers. I'm surprised no votes have been cast for Black Tie, White Noise. It has one of Bowie's worst title tracks ever and in general is just not very impressive.



EJSundayModerator
(heroic dolphin)
03/12/05 04:26 AM
Bad Image new [re: GFried]  

In reply to:

As for Reality, which is getting a ton of votes...


I have the impression that so many people vote for "Reality" because it was a disappointment for many after all the hopes which "Heathen" had raised. And this their time for revenge.

And I want to believe
In the madness that calls 'now'


ghostlove
(kook)
03/12/05 05:37 AM
me a little different new [re: EJSunday]  

I find i like more and more of Reality because there are a lot of layers and to call it a rush job is hog wash. It is not his best but i would put Reality in at least the middle tier of his albums. I do like Tin Machine too(a grower for me). I think bottom tier Bowie would include YA, SO, Tonight, and DD. You can now shoot me, all you elitist sewer dwellers!

ice



Emil
(acolyte)
03/12/05 05:57 AM
THBDB indeed, with bells on new [re: GFried]  

Yes, Space Oddity is the album I listen to the least - if it's not the worst album, then at least it's the most pale.

Hell, if waking up in the morning felt like this song sounds, I think I'd appreciate every day of my life a hell of a lot more. (guiltpuppy on 'Speed of Life')

NoGame
(acolyte)
03/12/05 06:35 AM
NoGame Stalin new [re: Emil]  

I never listen to Space Oddity. Someone put it right here, it's not bad but boring as hell. The only Bowie album I do not own (as an album, I do have all the songs) is David Bowie. And I voted for that one. I really don't care for Bowie's early work, the albums David Bowie and Space Oddity and lesser but still on the list, The Man Who Sold the World. The latter shows potential but it still full with flaws that irritate me. Anyway, Hunky Dory is the first album that is fascinating from begin to end, albums Bowie would continue to make up until Tonight. Yes, that includes Let's Dance and I'm cheating with Pin-Ups, which is worthless but fun nonetheless, and certainly not bad.

On the subject of Tonight. I only put it on in the summer, and then it always pleases me. It's relaxed and good for the background. Bowie makes complicated and intelligent music, but it's great to have something in the stack from the same artist, that allows you to relax, instead of paying attention to next brilliant thing he will do. Never Let Me Down on the other hand... If I lived in Soviet Russia I would have erased that album out of history. I'm in denial. That album just never happened. Maybe I should have voted for this one...

The Tin Machine albums... Well, I liked the rockier mood Bowie had. And TM II is alright, with great additions to Bowie's impressive list of strong songs: Shopping for Girls, Betty Wrong, and a few others. And that would set the tone for the albums to come after Tin Machine. Some are not so good but have highlights, e.g. BTWN and hours.... Albums like Earthling and Heathen are possibly the best he ever made, or at least can hold their heads up high between the 70s work. Reality is a good album, but that's personal, I have some favorites on there that make me place the album high on my list. But I can see how some people are disappointed by it.

NoGame
I see your thing alright.

pablopicasso
(acolyte)
03/12/05 06:47 AM
Re: THBDB indeed, with bells on new [re: Emil]  

I refuse to vote, as I wouldn't even call my least favourite Bowie album terrible, I will listen to them all, it just depends on my mood.

I really dislike negative threads like this, I would much prefer to talk about what inspires me, or excites me than what doesn't.

And I really wish I could explain why I like NLMD so much, it really hurts when people bemoan this album, especially Bowie himself. It brings back such great memories. I suppose that's what happens when you find Bowie in the 80s.

Jareth'sGirl, the Goblin Queen.

ThinWhiteDuke87
(wild eyed peoploid)
03/12/05 07:10 AM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: GFried]  

I only heard Tonight for the first time toward xmas last year — and only because I found the Virgin copy with bonus tracks on sale. That is the only reason I have that album; they make it better. (Would it have killed the compilers to have included "Underground," too, though?)

Anyway. I hate that album. I never liked reggae, especially not the anemic '80s style of reggae, and just because Bowie sings it doesn't make it instantly palatable. So there goes, what, half the album.

The rest . . . well, "Neighborhood Threat" wasn't too bad, but I still prefer the Iggy version; "Dancing With the Big Boys"' lyrics were indecipherable, and subtracted from the song; "Blue Jean" is ridiculously shallow pop, and crumples like wet paper compared to (the easiest comparison) "Modern Love"; even "Loving The Alien," though good, sounded as if it had a different mix — I prefer whatever one the video is set to.

That's that, then.

Don’t think about Young Americans as a makeout album

diamondogz74
(freecloud)
03/12/05 08:22 AM
Re: Bad Image new [re: EJSunday]  

In reply to:

I have the impression that so many people vote for "Reality" because it was a disappointment for many after all the hopes which "Heathen" had raised. And this their time for revenge.


A good euff reason for sure, I also think it's because it was his last album and people are probably sick of playing and seeing numerous special editions released, Im not sure? but I would say this must be Bowie's most over issued album ever!

In reply to:

Reality is doing quite well lol.


Lord that is scary considering some of the others on offer

In reply to:

And I really wish I could explain why I like NLMD so much, it really hurts when people bemoan this album, especially Bowie himself. It brings back such great memories. I suppose that's what happens when you find Bowie in the 80s.


Although I found Mr Bowie in the middle 70s, I still agree with you Alan on Tonight sure it's not his best album by far but I do like it and it holds fond memories for me too.



London Bye Ta-Ta...

poorsoul
(you will pay mr jones)
03/12/05 08:28 AM
Swizzle new [re: ocean]  

In reply to:

I can't believe Reality is voted second worst so far...



You're right, it should be doing a lot worse, really, but it's hard to beat the prejudice against the traditional 80s punching bags.

Come To Canada



littlechinagirl
(wild eyed peoploid)
03/12/05 10:53 AM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: FastChanges]  

I voted Tonight but then I haven't heard TM2 in ages.Then again, TM2 doesn't have God Only Knows although it does have Hunt Sales singing ....hmm, much like voting for his best album it seems almost as difficult to choose his worst .

Im surprised NLMD hasn't gotten more votes. Although I really like this album personally.

Edited by LittleChinaGirl on 03/12/05 10:59 AM (server time).



kingsteved
(crash course raver)
03/12/05 11:23 AM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: littlechinagirl]  

NLMD has more effort in it than Tonight. Tonight's his worst to me because of that impression. Loving the Alien is by far the best song on this album.



pablopicasso
(acolyte)
03/12/05 11:58 AM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: kingsteved]  

At the time of NLMD being released, Bowie was actually saying he thought it a return to form, more akin to Scary monsters than the Let's dance years, something he repeated in 1989 for the release of Tin machine almost word for word.

Jareth'sGirl, the Goblin Queen.

Jolene
(mortal with potential)
03/12/05 12:24 PM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: GFried]  

Space Oddity is partly great!


Space Oddity: *****/*****

Cygnet Committee: *****/*****

Wild-Eyed Boy From Freecloud: *****/*****

And the rest: **-***/*****



What did you say? I didn't hear anything anyway.






Day after day they send my friends away




heathenpunkgirl
(crash course raver)
03/12/05 05:22 PM
:( new [re: GFried]  

I'm the only one who voted for Pin Ups. Wow. I HATE that album.

-=pumpkin=-

Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia- fear of long words.


pablopicasso
(acolyte)
03/12/05 05:29 PM
Re: :( new [re: heathenpunkgirl]  

Aw it's great, forget that bowie isn't the writer and enjoy the music.

Jareth'sGirl, the Goblin Queen.

Atonalexpress
(acolyte)
03/12/05 06:36 PM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: GFried]  

which release would Bowie choose as his worse?


The Atonal Express left the tonal world behind...

pablopicasso
(acolyte)
03/12/05 06:48 PM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: Atonalexpress]  

In 2003 in the riverside concert he was asked which album he would like to delete forever and he said NLMD. The Heathen!!!

Jareth'sGirl, the Goblin Queen.

FastChanges
(mortal with potential)
03/12/05 07:40 PM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: pablopicasso]  

I bet he's changed his mind since.

In October 2003 on French TV, Françoise Hardy told him her favourite album was "Outside" and he said his was "Buddha of Suburbia". That must have changed too.

You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else.

FastChanges
(mortal with potential)
03/12/05 07:47 PM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: pablopicasso]  

I would delete both TM albums : I've tried many times to like them, but they only gave me headaches

You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else.

jump93
(electric tomato)
03/12/05 07:55 PM
Re: me a little different new [re: ghostlove]  

My bottom three in order:-

- Reality
- Tonight
- Never Let Me Down.


And why oh why Tin Machine is proving more popular than Tin Machine II is beyond me, there is a hell of a lot more Bowie in Tin Machine II than the first album, even if he doesn't sing on 2 of the tracks.

__________________________________________
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Get out of my mind! All of you!!

jabow
(kook)
03/12/05 09:52 PM
Re: me a little different new [re: jump93]  

1. Tonight
2 NLMD
3 Reality.

Reality was a rushed album with little effort and bad cover songs.


"You'll have to take me just the way that you find me."


poorsoul
(you will pay mr jones)
03/13/05 02:11 AM
)000( new [re: pablopicasso]  

In reply to:

At the time of NLMD being released, Bowie was actually saying he thought it a return to form, more akin to Scary Monsters than the Let's Dance years, something he repeated in 1989 for the release of Tin Machine almost word for word.



NLMD was his best album since Scary Monsters until Tin Machine was released. Then that was the best until Tin Machine II...

Filling Up Heaven



ghostlove
(kook)
03/13/05 05:49 AM
tu no se! new [re: jabow]  

You're a fool.

ice



diamondogz74
(freecloud)
03/13/05 07:56 AM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: FastChanges]  

In reply to:

In October 2003 on French TV, Françoise Hardy told him her favourite album was "Outside"


I can remember that exchange of words and Mr Bowie seemed rather shocked that she should pick that as her fav Bowie album, which surprized me! It's almost as if he thought what's that old lady doing liking my bizzare album.



The fact that she resembles him might have helped


London Bye Ta-Ta...

Forgotten_Boy
(absolute beginner )
03/13/05 08:24 AM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: GFried]  

Really, it has to be a toss up between 'Tonight' and 'Never Let Me Down' doesn't it. I voted 'Tonight', just because it was so tame and boring, though I was tempted to vote 'Never Let Me Down' because the second half of that album really is quite shite. And in fact, I don't ever listen to the second half of NLMD, I can't bring myself to do it, I find it too cringeworthy. 'Tonight' on the otherhand is pleasant, but not much more can be said about it really. It isn't really THAT offensive, but it isn't in your face, which is what we come to expect from Bowie now isn't it? Even at his worst (whatever you deem that to be) he's always trying to... hit you with something "new" - 'Tonight' just... meanders and fades into the background, like elevator music, wallpaper music, atleast NLMD has some bite to it.



RabbitFighter
(acolyte)
03/13/05 10:51 AM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: GFried]  

On Thursday evening I did something dreadful and gave a listen to Tonight. It was just one of those rituals that you have to go through every now and then just to remind you how some albums suck big, hairy bollocks.
Quite simply, Bowie should have been shot for releasing it...

Kill the children
save the food


GFried
(electric tomato)
03/13/05 11:24 AM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: GFried]  

When someone asked what everyone thought Bowie's worst album was almost 5 years ago, I remember more people said NLMD than any other album. Could people's opinion of that album be changing, ever so slightly? Probably not, since most people say that's in their bottom 3 or so. Or maybe all those people's votes went to Reality.

In my opinion, these are the lower third (9 or so) Bowie albums:

1. Space Oddity
2. Tin Machine
3. Tonight
4. Black Tie White Noise
5. Let's Dance
6. The Man Who Sold the World
7. Reality
8. Tin Machine 2
9. David Bowie

Approximate order. The last 4 in particular are pretty close, and the only one's I don't like are the first 3. Oh, and NLMD is with those last 4.




schizophrenic
(cracked actor)
03/13/05 12:24 PM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: RabbitFighter]  

In reply to:

Quite simply, Bowie should have been shot for releasing it...


Don't I remember you saying that Outland by Gary Numan was worse? If so, what punishment would you suggest for him?


And that's what happens when you type while vomiting.

FastChanges
(mortal with potential)
03/13/05 01:41 PM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: Forgotten_Boy]  

I just listened to "Time will crawl" and "Glass spider" again, and I think they are great songs.

After that comes the Mickey Rourke duet and well, what can I say ? That was something Bowie had never done before, and that's why we love him, isn't it ?

You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else.

RabbitFighter
(acolyte)
03/13/05 02:40 PM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: schizophrenic]  

In reply to:

what punishment would you suggest for him?


Cut the man open, pour some sweet substance on the wound and let a bunch fireants have a party of a lifetime.
Finishing Numan off after Outland is a tricky thing. The man released some of his best albums after the abomination and even came up with some of the worst covers ever recorded by butchering Prince. Bowie sounded god awful while furiously buttfucking God only knows while Numan's sorry attempts caused me perverse joy when I realized how low a musician can sink.

Still, the bottom line is that Numan got back into form with Sacrifice, Exile and Pure, while I can honestly say I could live without Bowie's post Let's Dance stuff. Sure, some of it is damn good but i'm still not quite sure if that's enough to redeem the release of Tonight...

Kill the children
save the food


diamondogz74
(freecloud)
03/13/05 03:12 PM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: FastChanges]  

In reply to:

I just listened to "Time will crawl" and "Glass spider" again, and I think they are great songs.


Yes they most certainly are great songs and probably two of the best off the album, the one I cannot listen too and always skip over is "Tonight" with Tina Turner joining in that really is just awful to my ears, not at all Mr Bowie's style.




London Bye Ta-Ta...

BigFatDog
(kook)
03/13/05 03:23 PM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: diamondogz74]  

It's all comparative and relative. Space Oddity only sounds bad because we compare it to the albums that followed, which are arguably his best. We're only dismissing such albums because we have the aid of hindsight. Reality is nowhere near his worst, but because it followed Heathen (hours finds itself in the same boat) it seems irrelevant and incomplete. If Reality was released in 1971 I think it would be much higher in people's estimations than today. And on the same token, if Hunky Dory was released tomorrow, I very much doubt it would be heralled as it is today.

If you compare Bowie's work you're missing the point. Tonight is recognisingly bad and because it isn't overshadowed by neighbouring masterpieces, you can genuinely see it in all it's glory. Or lack of it.



SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
03/13/05 03:29 PM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: BigFatDog]  

In reply to:

It's all comparative and relative. Space Oddity only sounds bad because we compare it to the albums that followed, which are arguably his best. We're only dismissing such albums because we have the aid of hindsight.


If your theory were true, shouldn't things rather depend on the order in which the person making the comparisons bought Bowie's albums? I mean, from my subjective point of view Aladdin Sane came after every album Bowie released between 1974 and 1993 because it was one of the last albums in Bowie's back catalogue that I purchased. Still I don't consider it a bad album.

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egrorian
(mortal with potential)
03/13/05 03:52 PM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: GFried]  

I would never have considered Space Oddity as a contender for "Bowie's worst album". Although not a classic it is a good album and contains much to enjoy. Whether it is "better" may be a moot point but I'd say that I generally enjoy it more than Pin Ups, Young Americans, Tonight, Buddha of Suburbia, Earthing, hours and Reality and both TM albums.

By any other artist, Tonight probably wouldn't seem so bad - it's just lame by DB's high standards but I Keep Forgettin' aside there's nothing on it truly horrible. NLMD has a few - especially Shinin' Star and New York's in Love but the best of the album bring it up a bit. Personally I'd rate the best of NLMD as superior to anything on Reality....


jump93
(electric tomato)
03/13/05 03:55 PM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: Sysiyo]  

The last studio album I had to hear was The Man Who Sold The World, which I managed to hear just a week ago, and it is now one of my favourites.

Reality, Tonight and NLMD are my 3 worst albums, and despite what people are saying I find Tin Machine II a good album.

__________________________________________
www.mikepowell.cjb.net

Get out of my mind! All of you!!

Edited by jump93 on 03/13/05 03:55 PM (server time).



BigFatDog
(kook)
03/13/05 07:29 PM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: Sysiyo]  

In reply to:

If your theory were true, shouldn't things rather depend on the order in which the person making the comparisons bought Bowie's albums?


Yeah, that's true.

Moreover though, judgements about albums are usually (and somewhat understandably) based on comparisons with other albums, which featured later or significantly beforehand and therefore taken completely out of the context in which they were written and recorded. Which, in Bowie's case, is really significant.

____

"Hating Bowie in 1997 means hating everything overblown, theatrical, pretentious, pseudo-intellectual and jarringly progressive in the past 25 years of pop. In other words, everything great about pop. It also means hating yourself."

Cynara
(kook)
03/13/05 11:08 PM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: GFried]  

I can't choose one album to as Bowie's "worst ever" as there are several that fail to make the grade for some very different reasons. I am unable to decide if an album that is bland from start to finish is better or worse than a glorious failure or if the first stumbling step of a promising artist just learning his craft is worse than a middle-aged success marking time. So here is my lower third (give or take) , in no particular order. These are the albums that I rarely play.

Tonight
Never Let Me Down
David Bowie
Space Oddity
Hours
Pin Ups
Tin Machine
Tin machine II
Lets Dance

But for every one of thse albums I could probably list at least one redeeming feature. Many of them are albums that I ahave liked at one stage and have gone off over time and several of them have been gathering dust (or even been lost and unreplaced) for so long that if i listened to them now I might change my opinion completely. A couple of years ago Young Americans would have made this list but I've changed my mind and (shocking admission following) some days just lately I have been feeling very over the Ziggy/glam era stuff.

I cried for madder music and for stronger wine - Ernest Dowson

poorsoul
(you will pay mr jones)
03/14/05 03:22 AM
Ine new [re: egrorian]  

In reply to:

By any other artist, Tonight probably wouldn't seem so bad



Only if that other artist happened to be Phil Collins or Rod Stewart.

In reply to:

I Keep Forgettin' aside there's nothing on it truly horrible.



Tonight, God Only Knows...

In reply to:

NLMD has a few - especially Shinin' Star and New York's in Love but the best of the album bring it up a bit. Personally I'd rate the best of NLMD as superior to anything on Reality...



I think you're on to something there.

Filling Up Heaven



AdamAdministrator
(acolyte)
03/14/05 07:25 AM
It's one of these two new [re: GFried]  

I can't quite decide out of the eponymous debut or Tonight.

From a music point of view, I would say that Tonight is the worst album because it - along with Never Let Me Down - are the albums that are most compromised by the commercial sheen of the time (although interestingly, Tonight did incorporate some world and reggae rythms two years before Paul Simon's Graceland...but not as well).

My criticism of the debut album, however, lies mostly in the lyrics which would have to easily be the most cringe worthy he has ever written (although some parts of Tin Machine's debut and Hours were also bad).

But overall, I probably find myself listening to the debut album the least. It simply has no songs the quality of 'Blue Jean' or 'Loving the Alien'.

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diamondogz74
(freecloud)
03/14/05 07:34 AM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: BigFatDog]  

In reply to:

It's all comparative and relative. Space Oddity only sounds bad because we compare it to the albums that followed, which are arguably his best


I beg to differ with you on Space Oddity being a bad album In all honesty I think it's a beautiful album.

Hunky Dory was used a lot in the 1970s in commercials ( publications etc... ) as the album to own if you had a very good stereo, I can remember seeing ads in Gramophone magazine for Hunky Dory on pre-recorded reel-to-reel magnetic tape! and I just bet that item would fetch a lot of money today?

I try not to compare the lastest album with the one previous, lots has been mentioned of hearing a track that might lead us to think what direction he's going in next, I am under the impression this is pretentious hogwash and at worse a pathetic guessing game.


London Bye Ta-Ta...

BigFatDog
(kook)
03/14/05 07:51 AM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: diamondogz74]  

I was talking hypothetically Ant, I personally thought Pin Ups.

____

"Hating Bowie in 1997 means hating everything overblown, theatrical, pretentious, pseudo-intellectual and jarringly progressive in the past 25 years of pop. In other words, everything great about pop. It also means hating yourself."

diamondogz74
(freecloud)
03/14/05 08:06 AM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: BigFatDog]  

In reply to:

I was talking hypothetically Ant, I personally thought Pin Ups.


That's fine James I fully understand now


London Bye Ta-Ta...

francesco
(wild eyed peoploid)
03/14/05 09:18 AM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: diamondogz74]  

Personally I don't understand why Space Oddity is even mentioned in this thread: it's one of my favourite albums. Some songs are all-time classics - title track, Cygnet Committee, Wild Eyed Boy... - while others are "just" very good tracks (I'm thinking Hermione, Memory of a Free Festival and why not, even Unwashed, although the coda is indeed a bit too long). I guess it has a couple of weak links but no one song in it can really be called "bad".

And I think Reality is taking too much heat here as well... while nowhere near his best efforts, at least half of it is quite good (for this Bowie era anyway) and the other half is OK. The only tracks that make me cringe are Try Some, Buy Some and Days, I admit those are two chunks of pigshit.

My worst Bowie albums are definitely Tonight (no explanation req'd) and Buddha - now THAT is a boring album if you are looking for one.



diamondogz74
(freecloud)
03/14/05 09:40 AM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: francesco]  

In reply to:

The only tracks that make me cringe are Try Some, Buy Some and Days


When I first heard the Reality album I was rather interested in "Try Some, Buy Some" by it's apparent pedigree, but I soon became very tired of it's sickly prettiness.

In reply to:

and Buddha - now THAT is a boring album if you are looking for one.


I do have a burnt copy of that album, for me it's not a Bowie album in the true sense of the word, after all I believe he was commissioned to write that album by whomever? ( and I do not like commissioned albums ) I would like it because I am a completist but I do not want that awful cover that was issued in the UK.



London Bye Ta-Ta...

SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
03/14/05 10:33 AM
Down on my knees in suburbia new [re: diamondogz74]  

In reply to:

I do have a burnt copy of that album, for me it's not a Bowie album in the true sense of the word, after all I believe he was commissioned to write that album by whomever?


Au contraire. The album is not the soundtrack Bowie did for BBC's adoptation of Hanif Kureishi's book The Buddha Of Suburbia. Bowie recorded the soundtrack first, and afterwards decided to rework (rather radically) the material he had written for the TV series into a proper album. Personally I think it's one of Bowie's better works, although it does suffer a bit from being such a rushed effort (it was recorded and mixed in two weeks).

In any case, to call it a comissioned album is besides the point; there are several Bowie albums that he recorded in order to fill contract requirements that are more deserving of the tag than Buddha, which was more like Bowie doing music because he could.

Also, Reality is crap. It's the only Bowie album where I'm tempted to skip multiple tracks. Actually, the last time I listened to it I ended up skipping over a half of the album, something I wouldn't do to even the worst of Bowie's other albums.

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Robbert
(mortal with potential)
03/14/05 10:44 AM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: EJSunday]  

The problem with Tonight is that it only contains two good new tracks (loving the alien and Blue Jean (I love that song). There are some other good tracks but they are either covers or Iggy Pop songs.
As for BTWN: there's only ONE good song: Jump, they say.
Tin Machine hasn't got any good songs, but at least that album isn't as irritating as BTWN.



SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
03/14/05 10:53 AM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: Robbert]  

In reply to:

There are some other good tracks but they are either covers or Iggy Pop songs.


Actually, Tumble And Twirl and Dancing With The Big Boys were both new tracks written for the Tonight album, they had not appeared on any of Iggy's LP's prior to that.

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Robbert
(mortal with potential)
03/14/05 11:06 AM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: Sysiyo]  

Hey, I actually did not know that. This changes my perception of Tonight quite a bit. It's still bad thought, just not as bad as I thought.

Now make me change my mind about BTWN!

Edited by Robbert on 03/14/05 11:07 AM (server time).



francesco
(wild eyed peoploid)
03/14/05 12:01 PM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: Robbert]  

I think you may be asking for too much now - in fact, thanks for reminding me of BTWN: that is probably, of all Bowie albums, the one I could not possibly bear listening as a whole, first-to-last song. The only ones I ever wish to listen to are Jump... and Nite Flights.

And I even bought the super duper 3-cd edition just for the sake of completism.



SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
03/14/05 12:08 PM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: francesco]  

I like BTWN. There are some trite numbers, and it doesn't perhaps match Bowie's best efforts, but there's a lot of good stuff there still.

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francesco
(wild eyed peoploid)
03/14/05 12:30 PM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: Sysiyo]  

From a musical standpoint BTWN is a very worthy effort, I realise that. There is the desire to do something new and experiment with new combinations of instruments and sounds. So I would not dream of comparing it with Tonight - a musically cheap, commercial release.

It's just that mid-way through the Wedding Song, I have already become numb...



littlechinagirl
(wild eyed peoploid)
03/14/05 01:21 PM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: francesco]  

Maybe I just need to let it grow on me, but I find most of BTWN rather boring. Apart from the singles and Don't Let Me.. it sounds too ''early 90s".



diamondogz74
(freecloud)
03/14/05 03:28 PM
Re: Down on my knees in suburbia new [re: Sysiyo]  

In reply to:

Au contraire. The album is not the soundtrack Bowie did for BBC's adoptation of Hanif Kureishi's book The Buddha Of Suburbia. Bowie recorded the soundtrack first, and afterwards decided to rework (rather radically) the material he had written for the TV series into a proper album



Thank you for clarifying that for me Sys, I was under the impression it was a comissioned work.

In reply to:

In any case, to call it a comissioned album is besides the point; there are several Bowie albums that he recorded in order to fill contract requirements


No there is a big difference between a comissioned work and contractual album, the comissioned album has to be about a particular subject relating in some way to the writers thoughts, a contractual obligation can be anything so long as it's filled, would you not agree?

In reply to:

Also, Reality is crap.


I do find that remark rather too negative, we know it's not his best work but it's not crap, rushed yes.


London Bye Ta-Ta...

Mxy
(wild eyed peoploid)
03/14/05 10:32 PM
Re: Down on my knees in suburbia new [re: diamondogz74]  

It's curious that Reality has ten votes and 'hours...' has one. I get the feeling in 1999 or 2000 'hours...' would get the ten votes (if not more) and the lone one would go to Earthling or Outside.

Bring back Bowie's moustache!

SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
03/15/05 06:46 AM
Everything will be allright. new [re: francesco]  

In reply to:

It's just that mid-way through the Wedding Song, I have already become numb...


Then again, The Wedding Song is the last track on the album.

Jokes aside, I actually like The Wedding (the opening instrumental, that is) a lot. The bassline especially is gorgeous. And it's the only Bowie piece that features tubular bells.

In reply to:

No there is a big difference between a comissioned work and contractual album, the comissioned album has to be about a particular subject relating in some way to the writers thoughts, a contractual obligation can be anything so long as it's filled, would you not agree?


My mistake, terms-wise. I agree with you on that. On the crapness of Reality we will have to agree to disagree, though.

That said, I admit there is potential there for good tracks. However, we can't simply judge an album by 'potential'. A lot of Tonight has potential (as proved by the eminently superior 12" mixes) but that still doesn't make the original album any better.

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Edited by Sysiyo on 03/17/05 06:11 AM (server time).



diamondogz74
(freecloud)
03/15/05 06:57 AM
Re: Everything will be allright. new [re: Sysiyo]  

In reply to:

That said, I admit there is potential there for good tracks. However, we can't simply judge an album by 'potential'. A lot of Tonight has potential (as proved by the eminently superior 12" mixes) but that still doesn't make the original album any better.


I would say that Tonight is a better album than Reality, at least Tonight has some experimental work involved whereas Reality sounds like it comes off a conveyor belt.


London Bye Ta-Ta...

NoGame
(acolyte)
03/16/05 05:13 AM
I can't agree to this... new [re: diamondogz74]  

In reply to:

at least Tonight has some experimental work involved


Really? Explain.

Obviously Reality has no experimental work with Bowie going out and try to capture a jazz feel on Bring Me The Disco King and the vulnuralbility of The Loniest Guy...

NoGame
I see your thing alright.

poorsoul
(you will pay mr jones)
03/16/05 06:07 AM
Udg new [re: NoGame]  

In reply to:

a jazz feel on Bring Me The Disco King



As if half of Aladdin Sane wasn't enough.

In reply to:

the vulnerability of The Loniest Guy...



How avant-garde.

My guess is that he was referring to the rather ill-fated attempt to explore reggae.

Filling Up Heaven



SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
03/16/05 07:03 AM
Re: Udg new [re: poorsoul]  

In reply to:

My guess is that he was referring to the rather ill-fated attempt to explore reggae.


Which can be said to be experimental from Bowie's point of view, as he had nevber done anything like that before. Just as a point though: 'never done before' doesn't nescessarily mean the result will be great.

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diamondogz74
(freecloud)
03/16/05 07:14 AM
Re: I can't agree to this... new [re: NoGame]  

In reply to:

Really? Explain.

Obviously Reality has no experimental work with Bowie going out and try to capture a jazz feel on Bring Me The Disco King and the vulnuralbility of The Loniest Guy...


Fair enuff the ones you quote are brilliant in particular BMTDK, closely followed by "The Loneliest Guy", the first one BMTDK is experimental as such in that it duz have that wonderful laid back jazzy torch song appeal to it and an album like this would be very welcome and is long overdue IMO.

But two good songs do not make a good album unfortunately at it's best a singalong quality is Realitys saving grace.

In reply to:

Which can be said to be experimental from Bowie's point of view, as he had nevber done anything like that before. Just as a point though: 'never done before' doesn't nescessarily mean the result will be great.


Yes exactly the reggae experimentation which I find rather enjoyable, whilst it may not be great at least it's an attempt of experimenting and Reality plays it straight down it's populistic line.

Besides I like Tonight, Loving The Alien is superb and I even love Bowies vocals on "God Only Knows" for me the album has a definate London feel to it.


London Bye Ta-Ta...

francesco
(wild eyed peoploid)
03/16/05 08:06 AM
Re: I can't agree to this... new [re: diamondogz74]  

I'm not with you on that one Diamond. I think Tonight is far more commercial and going after the trend of the moment; in that particular period reggae was fashionable again and although Bowie himself had never done it before, Tonight smells like an ill-fated attempt to jump on the bandwagon.
Think of Blue Jean as well: perfect song in many ways, but really it's very much a singalong, commercial tune.

Other than maybe Loving the Alien, or maybe on a par with it, I think New Killer Star along is far stronger than any song on Tonight. But that's just my 50 cents really.

And Sys, you are right I meant The Wedding, not the Wedding Song of course...



diamondogz74
(freecloud)
03/16/05 08:25 AM
Re: I can't agree to this... new [re: francesco]  

In reply to:

I'm not with you on that one Diamond. I think Tonight is far more commercial and going after the trend of the moment; in that particular period reggae was fashionable again and although Bowie himself had never done it before, Tonight smells like an ill-fated attempt to jump on the bandwagon.


IMO it was a distinct drift away from the very commercial Let's Dance album, he couldn't move fast enuff to erase that image

I don't deny Tonight has some catchy songs on it, "Blue Jean" probably was guilty of that but hey come on how different to the former album can you get? an attempt and a good one at that of musical comedy.

In reply to:

Other than maybe Loving the Alien, or maybe on a par with it, I think New Killer Star along is far stronger than any song on Tonight. But that's just my 50 cents really.


But don't you think some of that could be the emotive quality of referring to 9/11, that's how I see it, lord knows these albums are worlds apart really, but Tonight is a good album that could have been much better.



London Bye Ta-Ta...

SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
03/16/05 08:26 AM
Re: I can't agree to this... new [re: francesco]  

In reply to:

Other than maybe Loving the Alien, or maybe on a par with it, I think New Killer Star along is far stronger than any song on Tonight. But that's just my 50 cents really.


The problem with NKS, and with the whole Reality album, really, is that it's far too repetitive. There's a decent riff, and then it's just been repeated with very little variance for four minutes or so, and that's it. The album sounds very much like Bowie just put down the first riff that came into his mind, and moved on to the next song. With the possible exception of the covers, each song outstays it's welcome because there simply isn't enough material or variance in them to keep them interesting.

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Dara
(acolyte)
03/16/05 09:52 AM
Music for the sexless generation new [re: Sysiyo]  

In reply to:

Which can be said to be experimental from Bowie's point of view, as he had nevber done anything like that before.


Well, Yassassin uses a reggae backbeat.

The problem with Bowie's "reggae" experiments on Tonight is the reference doesn't seem to be Bob Marley so much as The Police and all those other wishy washy white acts that were raping reggae and making it something yuppies could get down to. The 80s was a great time for that: think that faux jazz of Sade. It effectively was the mainstream at the time: "Let's take some vibrant black genre, squeeze all the balls and life out of it, and turn it into something that sounds good in the background as you sip your cocktails and concentrate on not spilling anything onto your suit, which is completely white".

Slan libh,

Dara

"The definition of insanity is to keep repeating the same actions and to expect different results" Dr. Istvan Bagoli

Emil
(acolyte)
03/16/05 10:11 AM
Re: I can't agree to this... new [re: diamondogz74]  

In reply to:

[dd74]Yes exactly the reggae experimentation which I find rather enjoyable, whilst it may not be great at least it's an attempt of experimenting and Reality plays it straight down it's populistic line.


Dara said it but I'll rub it in: If anything is populistic, then it's the reggae on Tonight, not the straight rock'n'roll on Reality.

In reply to:

[Sysiyo]The problem with NKS, and with the whole Reality album, really, is that it's far too repetitive. There's a decent riff, and then it's just been repeated with very little variance for four minutes or so, and that's it.


Yeah, that's a hell of a difference compared to your favourites Neu, who are known to repeat the same riff over and over for ten minutes.

Hell, if waking up in the morning felt like this song sounds, I think I'd appreciate every day of my life a hell of a lot more. (guiltpuppy on 'Speed of Life')

diamondogz74
(freecloud)
03/16/05 10:26 AM
Re: I can't agree to this... new [re: Emil]  

In reply to:

Dara said it but I'll rub it in:


Ouch! that's cruel

I can see Dara's point but this was Bowie's first real attempt at reggae and I would have loved Bowie to record a Sade style album, I can just hear his smokey voice now.

In reply to:

not the straight rock'n'roll on Reality.


Hey! come on Im not buying that one emil, that is pure populistic rock'roll'roll and you know it.



London Bye Ta-Ta...

SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
03/16/05 10:33 AM
Re: I can't agree to this... new [re: Emil]  

In reply to:

Yeah, that's a hell of a difference compared to your favourites Neu, who are known to repeat the same riff over and over for ten minutes.


Err... err... err... Umm, they've got better riffs and... better drums... and vocals. And no acoustic guitar.

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Mxy
(wild eyed peoploid)
03/16/05 10:43 AM
Re: I can't agree to this... new [re: Sysiyo]  

In reply to:

The problem with NKS, and with the whole Reality album, really, is that it's far too repetitive. There's a decent riff, and then it's just been repeated with very little variance for four minutes or so, and that's it. The album sounds very much like Bowie just put down the first riff that came into his mind, and moved on to the next song. With the possible exception of the covers, each song outstays it's welcome because there simply isn't enough material or variance in them to keep them interesting.



What about She'll Drive The Big Car? I'm obsessed with that song. I dare anyone to listen to it with an open mind and paying full attention (I don't know, close your eyes or something) and not get lost inside it.

Bring back Bowie's moustache!

SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
03/16/05 10:54 AM
She'll Drive The Whiny Car new [re: Mxy]  

I find the vocals extremely irritating. Musically it's one of Reality's better moments, but the vocals and lyrics are so dreadful I can't really get past them.

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NoGame
(acolyte)
03/16/05 12:28 PM
Bottom up new [re: Dara]  

You could wonder if Bowie himself really was going after experimentation or just continuation of commercial success with an easy assembled product, if we talk about Tonight. I, for one, never made the connection with reggea music on that album. Basically, he wrote two normal Bowie songs (Loving the Alien and Blue Jean) and the rest of the album he filled with crap and (I must say) an occasional decent cover, written or co-written by others. That there were some horns there gives it that reggea feel, but it just sounds too easy. Is it really Bowie's sound we're hearing on Tonight, I don't think so.

You all know how Tonight sounds: like an artist who doesn't give a fuck about what he's doing.

Experimentation my ass.

NoGame
I see your thing alright.

b_mardle
(mortal with potential)
03/16/05 01:35 PM
Re: Bottom up new [re: NoGame]  

I just can't understand how 'reality' has received so many votes!! what's wrong with you people?? Who can honestly say,that reality is worse than ''david bowie'',''space oddity'',''pin ups'',''tonight''?? i just can't understand why i constantly read something negative about reality here in tw!! I thought this was a davidbowie fanpage! I fore one think that reality is even better then ''stationtostation'', or ''hunky dory''. But most of you think that reality is even worse then his debut album. SHAME ON YOU!!!



Dara
(acolyte)
03/16/05 03:06 PM
Sting me the head of the Goblin king new [re: NoGame]  

In reply to:

That there were some horns there gives it that reggea feel


The reggae thing is more in the percussion on things like "Don't Look Down", and "Tonight". Bear in mind we're talking Sting cod reggae here, not the real stuff. I guess it's kinda cool Bowie decided to do those Iggy covers in a very different style from the originals, but he could hardly have picked a worse one than the in-the-charts-just-then cod reggae (unless he did them as country or something).

In reply to:

Is it really Bowie's sound we're hearing on Tonight, I don't think so.


Indeed. Two (other) producers, and both brought their own sound. Hugh Padgham (best known for producing The Police and Sting) in particular made a lot of it sound, in the words of one critic, "more like a mediocre Sting album than a good David Bowie one".

That said, I kinda like Bowie's stab at Don't Look Down. The title track is irredeemable though, and the presence of Tina Turner can only be explained by the fact that Bowie probably wanted to borrow one of her wigs for his role in Labyrinth.

Slan libh,

Dara



"The definition of insanity is to keep repeating the same actions and to expect different results" Dr. Istvan Bagoli

diamondogz74
(freecloud)
03/16/05 03:26 PM
Re: Bottom up new [re: NoGame]  

In reply to:

Experimentation my ass.


Tom

Let's leave as shaken but not stirred

The good thing about TW is that we can all have our say in a civilized manner which is just dandy.


London Bye Ta-Ta...

SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
03/16/05 04:07 PM
Re: Sting me the head of the Goblin king new [re: Dara]  

In reply to:

Hugh Padgham (best known for producing The Police and Sting) in particular made a lot of it sound, in the words of one critic, "more like a mediocre Sting album than a good David Bowie one".


I think the poorness of the album is caused more by the lack of good material than actual bad production. I can live with Hugh's production (though I won't say he's a great producer as such), if only he had had the guts to tell Bowie to finish the other songs he had been working on in the studio Tonight might have ended up as a good album.

And one more thing in Padgham's defence... he hated the title track.

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DocFederfeld
(grinning soul)
03/16/05 04:08 PM
Re: Bottom up new [re: b_mardle]  

In reply to:

I thought this was a davidbowie fanpage! I fore one think that reality is even better then ''stationtostation'', or ''hunky dory''. But most of you think that reality is even worse then his debut album. SHAME ON YOU!!!


Sorry, shame on my taste. I choose "Tonight" because of Terrible Tina and "God Only Knows", but "Reality" is close. I try the latter every once in a while but I'm still disappointed about most of the songs. Everything sounds so "aseptic" (can't find a better description).



Dara
(acolyte)
03/16/05 04:29 PM
Re: Sting me the head of the Goblin king new [re: Sysiyo]  

In reply to:

I think the poorness of the album is caused more by the lack of good material than actual bad production.


I disagree. There's a lot of decent songs on there. "Loving The Alien" is as good a song as Bowie wrote in the 80s. "Blue Jean" is not that far off the three Let's Dance singles as far as classic pop singledom goes. The three Iggy covers are all excellent songs, as the originals prove. Same goes for God Only Knows.

These songs could have been (and in most cases already had been) done much better. In the case of the covers, Bowie generally had the right general idea (make them different from the original) but failed in the execution (or maybe just handed over too much power to his co-producers).

Slan libh,

Dara

"The definition of insanity is to keep repeating the same actions and to expect different results" Dr. Istvan Bagoli

NoGame
(acolyte)
03/16/05 04:39 PM
In that case I like it stirred new [re: diamondogz74]  

In reply to:

Let's leave as shaken but not stirred


Anthony, is this refering to my ass?



NoGame
I see your thing alright.

poorsoul
(you will pay mr jones)
03/16/05 11:01 PM
Jagd new [re: Dara]  

In reply to:

"Let's take some vibrant black genre, squeeze all the balls and life out of it, and turn it into something that sounds good in the background as you sip your cocktails and concentrate on not spilling anything onto your suit, which is completely white".



That's how Elvis started, just without the cocktails.

In reply to:

You could wonder if Bowie himself really was going after experimentation or just continuation of commercial success with an easy assembled product, if we talk about Tonight.

You all know how Tonight sounds: like an artist who doesn't give a fuck about what he's doing.



Don't you mean Reality?

Filling Up Heaven



SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
03/17/05 04:01 AM
All hail Dara! new [re: Dara]  

I bow to the grandness of Dara and admit I didn't really have a clue of what I was saying.

Axcept that the original God Only Knows really sucked and Bowie's take was a huge improvement. And the original Tonight wasn't too good either, although Bowie hardly improved it.

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Edited by Sysiyo on 03/17/05 04:02 AM (server time).



francesco
(wild eyed peoploid)
03/17/05 05:41 AM
Re: Material? Production? Who f*#!ing cares! new [re: Sysiyo]  

I have no idea whether it's the material or the production, for I've never listened to any other version of the songs from Tonight (apart from the acoustic Alien, which is the only song I already liked anyway)... all i know, my friends, it this:

whether it's one thing or the other, Tonight sucks big hairy bollocks like it's going out of fa-fa-fa-fa-fashion.



EJSundayModerator
(heroic dolphin)
03/17/05 06:27 AM
Good May Not Have Heard It Though new [re: Sysiyo]  

In reply to:

Axcept that the original God Only Knows really sucked and Bowie's take was a huge improvement.


First part: yes, the second gets a no.
And Dara's bit about Tina Turner's wigs is my favourite joke of the day. Even better that Monkeyboy's Nazi ones.

And I want to believe
In the madness that calls 'now'


pablopicasso
(acolyte)
03/17/05 07:36 AM
Re: Good May Not Have Heard It Though new [re: EJSunday]  

Funny, I thought he was after something else.....

And got it too.

Jareth'sGirl, the Goblin Queen.

diamondogz74
(freecloud)
03/17/05 08:32 AM
Re: In that case I like it stirred new [re: NoGame]  

In reply to:

Anthony, is this refering to my ass?


I've been sussed

In reply to:

Same goes for God Only Knows



How nice to read that, Im sick and tired of people slagging off Mr Bowie's cover of "God Only Knows" I for one think it a beautiful cover version.

As for Tina Turners orrible old flea ridden wigs YUK.


London Bye Ta-Ta...

hangontoyourself
(crash course raver)
03/17/05 09:26 AM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: GFried]  

Tin Machine..so bad, it's just plain bad.

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ALL YOU NEED IS KEITH

Humbert
(wild eyed peoploid)
03/18/05 06:22 PM
Re: THBDB: Bowie's Worst Album! new [re: FastChanges]  

The second Tin Machine album has a few fantastic tracks. Tonight has only Loving the Alien- and even that's overrated.

"And then Bowie started to turn up to New York Dolls shows. You know, with a notebook."- Jayne County.

Humbert
(wild eyed peoploid)
03/18/05 06:29 PM
Re: me a little different new [re: jabow]  

You honestly think the cover songs on Reality were worse than the ones on Tonight? Goddamn, at least Reality is listenable! I can't bear to listen to Tonight- it's embarrassingly bad.

I think everyone here is underrating how bad Tonight really is.

"And then Bowie started to turn up to New York Dolls shows. You know, with a notebook."- Jayne County.

SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
03/19/05 04:17 AM
Re: me a little different new [re: Humbert]  

In reply to:

Goddamn, at least Reality is listenable! I can't bear to listen to Tonight- it's embarrassingly bad.


A matter of opinion and preference. I can't listen to REality because it's so embarrassingly bad, whereas Tonight has at least some good moments. And Bowie sings a lot better.

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GFried
(electric tomato)
03/19/05 10:21 AM
Re: me a little different new [re: Humbert]  

In reply to:

I think everyone here is underrating how bad Tonight really is.


This is very possible in my case. In general, I like albums better when they have a few excellent songs but are otherwise patchy than albums that are consistantly good but have no real excellent moments.

Tonight definitely falls into the former category. Blue Jean is quite possibly a top 20 Bowie song for me, really perfect in almost every way, and Loving the Alien is almost as good. I can easily step back from the 80's production and enjoy it. Beyond that, God Only Knows, Tumble and Twirl, and I Keep Forgettin are all songs I enjoy. That's five songs out of nine, so I often find myself thinking that Tonight's not that bad. But when I listen to it, I'm always a little dissapointed.





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