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Rocknrollinbitch
(grinning soul)
04/04/05 04:04 AM
Which two albums differ most? new  

The title of the post gives it away, really. As fans, most of us are fascinated with the varying degrees of difference between each of Bowie's albums as they're released. Those who have followed him for a long time will be particularly familiar with this - catching up on his back catalogue, randomly or not doesn't quite give the same 'shock' or surprise that fans felt when listening to each new album. There are too many examples to list, and you know them anyway.

However, I'm intrigued by the question (and even more so at the countless possible answers) - of all his studio albums, which two can be described as the most different from each other?

In deciding, you could consider various factors - gap between the albums (large or small - a small gap in time yielding two very different albums can be considered perhaps to lead to a greater difference than just the time factor - i.e compare 'David Bowie' to 'Reality' - bound to be different cos there's 36 years between them).

You could also consider the music industry at any given time, nature of the fan base, impact of World tours, current musicians, success (or lack of) of previous album, whether an albums reflects a period/style/genre or predicts it.

Perhaps you'll go for Space Oddity and TMWSTW - small gap in time, huge difference in writing, music, etc. Or Let's Dance and Outside - maybe they're as different as you can get.

The choice is yours - what's your view?



decibel
(cracked actor)
04/04/05 10:30 AM
THBDB, I'm sure new [re: Rocknrollinbitch]  

While 'changes of Bowie' may be an old warhorse when it comes to bowie-MBs, I agree with you - it's an eternally fascinating subject!

In my opinion (and apparantly also RCA executives who according to Qmag "had kittens") the transition from STS to Low was a bit of a shocker. An all-ambient electronica B-side? Whatever happened to soul and funk? Of course there are signs that Bowie is itching to experiment already on STS - the title track alone... Still, that's my main nomination.
The experimentation with genres of the nineties always seemed rather more contrived to me - especially the Bowie-does-Prodigy of Earthling!
Another stomper is the transition from Scary Monsters to Lets Dance... Of course this can in part be explained by the lapse in time (still the longest in Bowie history?) and the rest I'm perfectly willing to chuck up to the general 80's zeitgeist of 'take the money and run' - bring in the most popular and succesful producer of the time and see what he can contribute.

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EJSundayModerator
(heroic dolphin)
04/04/05 10:46 AM
Softling new [re: Rocknrollinbitch]  

In brief: David Bowie (debut) - Earthling.

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jump93
(electric tomato)
04/04/05 11:27 AM
Re: Softling new [re: EJSunday]  

Outside and Hunky Dory

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BigFatDog
(kook)
04/04/05 11:47 AM
Re: Softling new [re: EJSunday]  

I dunno, Uncle Arthur and Little Wonder are easily confused.

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Mxy
(kook)
04/04/05 12:07 PM
Re: Softling new [re: jump93]  

In reply to:

Outside and Hunky Dory



I was gonna say the same thing.

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FastChanges
(grinning soul)
04/04/05 12:11 PM
Re: Which two albums differ most? new [re: Rocknrollinbitch]  

I'd say "BTWN" and "Buddha of Suburbia" are utterly different, though released the same year.

And "Earthling" and "Hours" are good examples of consecutive albums with little in common.

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FastChanges
(grinning soul)
04/04/05 12:14 PM
Re: Which two albums differ most? new [re: Rocknrollinbitch]  

What about the two most different songs that share the same intitials ? Maybe "The laughing gnome" and "The loneliest guy" ?

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sonofsilence
(acolyte)
04/04/05 01:08 PM
Re: Which two albums differ most? new [re: Rocknrollinbitch]  

Its actually harder to say which 2 albums are the most simlar.

In this case I would have to agree that the Debut and earthling are the opposite sides of the spectrum. though there was the chance of having Laughing Gnome the Drum and Bass version.

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pablopicasso
(acolyte)
04/04/05 01:47 PM
Re: Which two albums differ most? new [re: Rocknrollinbitch]  

Well as far as consecutive albums go, There is hardly a bigger change than Diamond Dogs to Young Americans. Where one is purposefully rough around the edges, the other could not be smoother. The reaction when Young Americans came out must have been of shock in the UK, not having the Soul tour to prepare them, remember in the 70s there was no instant access, whereas on the last tour we knew the setlists almost as soon as the show was over, apart from reports in NME etc there would be little information for the UK fan. In retrospect, people can say that 'When you rock and roll with me' was an indicator of where he would go next, but at the time David Bowie wasn't a 'Chamelein' he was this Glam hero, one who had taken time to get a hit, leaving some flop albums in his wake. After Young Americans the ch ch changing really started with people not knowing what the muscial or fashion style the next album would take. Before, he had been the guy with the red feather cut and make up. Even in 1976 his fans were turning up to concerts in ziggy costumes and were shocked to see the thin white duke persona.

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Strawman
(acolyte)
04/04/05 02:35 PM
Re: Which two albums differ most? [re: sonofsilence]  

In reply to:

Its actually harder to say which 2 albums are the most simlar.


"Which 2 albums are the most similar."

Nope. That was easy-peasy. Even with correctly spelling similar.




diamondogz74
(freecloud)
04/04/05 02:51 PM
Re: Which two albums differ most? new [re: Rocknrollinbitch]  

In reply to:

The choice is yours - what's your view?


Your words...

In reply to:

Or Let's Dance and Outside - maybe they're as different as you can get.


My words exactly.



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Emilio
(crash course raver)
04/04/05 04:00 PM
Re: Which two albums differ most? new [re: Rocknrollinbitch]  

If I had to choose consecutive studio albums, I would say "Diamond Dogs" and "Young Americans". Totally different. Apart from these, there are many possibilities. For instance, "Young Americans", "Station to Station", "Let's Dance", "Tonight" and "Black Tie, White Noise" are in a similar league with slight variations, but you can pick any of them plus any of the others and you'll have two totally different albums.

"The Man Who Sold The World" and "Low"
"Hunky Dory" and "Earthling".
"Hunky Dory" and "Low".

Hey, the possibilities are endless!




sonofsilence
(acolyte)
04/04/05 06:41 PM
Re: Which two albums differ most? new [re: Strawman]  

In reply to:

Nope. That was easy-peasy. Even with correctly spelling similar.


smart arse



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poorsoul
(you will pay mr jones)
04/05/05 04:54 AM
Only A Matter Of Time new [re: decibel]  

In reply to:

Scary Monsters to Let's Dance... Of course this can in part be explained by the lapse in time (still the longest in Bowie history?)



Actually, the gap between Tonight and Never Let Me Down is exactly one day longer, according to the dates provided by Bassman.

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pablopicasso
(acolyte)
04/05/05 06:40 AM
Re: Only A Matter Of Time new [re: poorsoul]  

What about the time between hours and Heathen, than must be similar too?
One could argue the time between NLMD and BTWN too.

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AdamAdministrator
(acolyte)
04/05/05 06:46 AM
Re: Only A Matter Of Time new [re: pablopicasso]  

According to the graph, the wait between Hours and Heathen was longer, also the wait between Earthling and Hours.

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SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
04/05/05 07:34 AM
Re: Which two albums differ most? new [re: Rocknrollinbitch]  

Tin Machine II - BTWN.

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diamondogz74
(freecloud)
04/05/05 07:55 AM
Re: Which two albums differ most? new [re: Sysiyo]  

In reply to:

Tin Machine II - BTWN.


Most certainly a VAST difference I agree Sys, but not really allowed, the contest is between Bowie albums and Tin Machine were a group.


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pablopicasso
(acolyte)
04/05/05 08:17 AM
Re: Which two albums differ most? new [re: diamondogz74]  

Majorly written by David Bowie. Tin Machine is as much Bowie as The man who sold the world, more so as Bowie was there for the majority, if not all the TM2 sessions, for TMWSTW he was mainly making out with Angie while Visconti and Ronson made the music.

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poorsoul
(you will pay mr jones)
04/05/05 08:18 AM
As A Matter Of Stats new [re: Adam]  

In reply to:

According to the graph, the wait between Hours and Heathen was longer, also the wait between Earthling and Hours.


Quite right, though I think I can be forgiven for forgetting 'Hours...'.

Scary Monsters (And Super Creeps) to Let's Dance: 944 days
Tonight to Never Let Me Down: 945 days
Earthling to 'Hours...': 972 days
'Hours...' to Heathen: 980 days

Never Let Me Down to Black Tie White Noise would be 2170 days but not counting Tin Machine albums is a highly dubious decision, no matter how many people would prefer to see them erased from history.

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decibel
(cracked actor)
04/05/05 08:48 AM
Re: As A Matter Of Stats new [re: poorsoul]  

Thank you very much, I shall now go and tattoo those numbers on my arm.
As it's best to ignore Hours then, the longest wait is of course the 1952 days between Earthling and Heathen.

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*edited for Sysiyo's viewing pleasure*

poorsoul
(you will pay mr jones)
04/05/05 08:57 AM
You Wake Up One Day And Find That You're A Number new [re: decibel]  

And for those who don't think he's done anything worthwhile since Scary Monsters, it's 8,971 days and counting.

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SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
04/05/05 09:02 AM
Re: As A Matter Of Stats new [re: decibel]  

In reply to:

...hours


Actually, it's 'hours...', not ...hours. Although I'd just write it Hours and be done with it. The album doesn't really deserve a special spelling.

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AdamAdministrator
(acolyte)
04/05/05 09:10 AM
Full of stats new [re: poorsoul]  

Alright, so how many hours has it been since Hours?

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poorsoul
(you will pay mr jones)
04/05/05 09:41 AM
You Asked For It new [re: Adam]  

48,253 (approximately, since that doesn't take into account the various time differences involved).

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Emilio
(crash course raver)
04/05/05 09:45 AM
Re: Which two albums differ most? new [re: pablopicasso]  

Pablopicasso, somehow I hadn't seen your post when I wrote mine. What you said is perfect. I had read that Bowie had taken up soul music, so I wasn't that surprised when I first heard "Young Americans". My first impression was: this song is great, but this is not "my" David Bowie.



pablopicasso
(acolyte)
04/05/05 09:57 AM
It's been so long new [re: poorsoul]  

In reply to:

Scary Monsters (And Super Creeps) to Let's Dance: 944 days
Tonight to Never Let Me Down: 945 days
Earthling to 'Hours...': 972 days
'Hours...' to Heathen: 980 days



It is amazing that most people would immediately say that the longest gap between albums is the Scary monsters/Let's dance, when in fact it is the fourth longest. That was quite a suprise.
The gap between Tonight and NLMD was quite productive with a number of one-off soundtrack songs and of course the Labyrinth soundtrack album. There were also singles released between SM and LD.
What is really amazing is the long gap between Earthling and hours, it didn't feel as long as that, and there was no activity at all in between them either. At least between hours and Heathen he did the concerts in 2000 which spawned the BBC theatre concert album and the promise of Toy.


What shall we do to fill the empty spaces?

AdamAdministrator
(acolyte)
04/05/05 10:04 AM
now we live unbearable lives new [re: pablopicasso]  

I wish they could put me into some kind of deep freeze during those longer periods. It's far too long.

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Dara
(acolyte)
04/05/05 10:33 AM
Re: It's been so long new [re: pablopicasso]  

In reply to:

What is really amazing is the long gap between Earthling and hours, it didn't feel as long as that, and there was no activity at all in between them either.


He was still touring the album almost a year after it came out, they were releasing singles from it for most of the year (I'm Afraid Of Americans was on the Billboard charts a full year after the album came out), and there was the promise of a live Earthling album, plus he was still talking about releasing 2. Contamination. Add in the fact that he did a few films, recorded with Placebo (and appeared at the Brits with them), launched Bowienet, ran the "Help me write a song" contest, recorded Safe In This Skylife for the Rugrats soundtrack and Mother for the Lennon tribute, and there was plenty of stuff to talk about and hold the fans' interest (especially the online ones). So for me the wait between Earthling and Hours didn't feel as long as the one between Hours and Heathen, where there was much less to talk about.

One thing that also just occurred to me as I typed this post is that in the late 90s, online fans spoke much more about specific songs from the most recent albums. I realised this when I typed IAOA, then went back and changed it to "I'm Afraid Of Americans" realising that not everyone would understand the acronym. Whereas back in 1998, nobody ever typed out the full name of songs, because they were the main thing fans discussed so the shorthand was understood by all. Bowie's career still felt current and vibrant, and there was much less talk of old albums and no need for Survivor games. By contrast, now feels more like semi-retirement.

Slan libh,

Dara

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pablopicasso
(acolyte)
04/05/05 10:42 AM
Re: It's been so long new [re: Dara]  

I was pretty much out of the Bowie Loop in the late 90s so most of what you mention passed by without much interest from me. I am sure if I had had internet access earlier, my hiatus would have been much shorter.
This year especially has been very slow (certainly for one who hopped back on the wagon at the time of daily setlists). I was looking in Bowienet earlier in the week, it has been six months since his last journal entry. It would be nice to have some real news and not about some Bowie impersonater, rererererelease or that DB went to buy an apple.

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b_mardle
(grinning soul)
04/05/05 12:43 PM
. new [re: pablopicasso]  

Tin machine-Young americans
David bowie-Earthling
Hunky dory-1.outside

Now there's a few album's, wich are musically very different to each other



diamondogz74
(freecloud)
04/05/05 01:55 PM
Re: Which two albums differ most? new [re: pablopicasso]  

In reply to:

Majorly written by David Bowie. Tin Machine is as much Bowie as The man who sold the world, more so as Bowie was there for the majority, if not all the TM2 sessions, for TMWSTW he was mainly making out with Angie while Visconti and Ronson made the music.


I see your point Alan, but still this is a contest between Bowie only albums really ( never mind who wrote what ) so including Tin Machine is really not correct.

Thanks also for the info on TMWSTW, I really didn't know that fact.



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Rocknrollinbitch
(grinning soul)
04/06/05 03:29 AM
Re: Which two albums differ most? new [re: diamondogz74]  

"I see your point Alan, but still this is a contest between Bowie only albums really ( never mind who wrote what ) so including Tin Machine is really not correct."

As the originator of the post, I feel that the TM albums should indeed be included in the discussion - they are still part of the
Bowie studio album canon, whether we like it or not!



ocean
(grinning soul)
04/06/05 04:17 AM
Re: Which two albums differ most? new [re: Rocknrollinbitch]  

I would say that bowie is such a versatile musician that there are many albums that strike me as very different.

My first thought would be:

Outside - Black tie white noise.

I would not expect a person who is not a fan to like the sound on both of them.

Then it's Earthling - Hours/Space Oddity/Hunky Dory

or Young Americans - Outside/Heroes/Low

Too many strange pairs I would say!!!



diamondogz74
(freecloud)
04/06/05 06:45 AM
Re: Which two albums differ most? new [re: Rocknrollinbitch]  

In reply to:

As the originator of the post, I feel that the TM albums should indeed be included in the discussion - they are still part of the
Bowie studio album canon, whether we like it or not!


Well If you're allowing them in? I say it's just fine.

Let's Dance
Tin Machine II




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