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JAMIESIM
(wild eyed peoploid)
06/27/05 01:19 PM
DVD War  

I don't own that many Bowie DVD's maybe in the summer I will get a couple more.
I've heard some bad things about some of them especially the inside David Bowie.



Which DVD is Generally the best
Inside David Bowie: 1969-1974: 2dvd: Book: Ltd
Love You To Tuesday
Classis Rock Tribute
Black Tie White Noise
Rock Review
Origins Of A Starman
Sound & Vision
Ziggy Stardust: Motion Picture
A Reality Tour
Best Of

View the results for this poll





sonofsilence
(acolyte)
06/27/05 01:27 PM
Re: DVD War new [re: JAMIESIM]  

good idea .

personally i think the Ziggy Stardust: Motion Picture
. as its the only one which really mean something. And isnt just made of promos or people just talking about him.


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LadyGravedigger
(cracked actor)
06/27/05 01:36 PM
Re: DVD War new [re: JAMIESIM]  

Difficult choise, especially since I don't have half of those. I voted for Best of, because I love most of those videos, but now that I think of it, Black Tie White Noise is probably better... I don't know.

Vanity is all

LadyGravedigger
(cracked actor)
06/27/05 01:37 PM
Re: DVD War new [re: LadyGravedigger]  

And I can't vote again. Just tried.

Vanity is all

JAMIESIM
(wild eyed peoploid)
06/27/05 01:38 PM
Re: DVD War new [re: sonofsilence]  

yeah some of these documentry DVD's are quite cheap productions as well which is why they are crap.



JAMIESIM
(wild eyed peoploid)
06/27/05 01:41 PM
Re: DVD War new [re: sonofsilence]  

this is what one reviewer from amazon.co.uk said about Inside David Bowie

It's great to come accross a music documentary DVD that gives honest opinions about tracks and performances. There are interviews with Spiders members Trevor Bolder and Woody Woodmansey which is great to see as they give us an insight into the world of David Bowie and the Spiders From Mars. Other reviewers include music producers and journnalists, like me you will find yourself arguing some points and agreeing with others but that's the whole point of the show I guess.

Funny because i heard it was crap

Jamie





diamondogz74
(freecloud)
06/27/05 03:14 PM
Re: DVD War new [re: JAMIESIM]  

In reply to:

Which DVD is Generally the best


Yes it is a difficult choice but I have to go for...

Best Of , followed by ( and I know you are only supposed to chose one ) but my second one goes too Love You To Tuesday simply because it is just so special to me.


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OleanderWhoosh
(kook)
06/27/05 07:28 PM
Re: DVD War new [re: diamondogz74]  

Is Love You To Tuesday the same thing as Love You Till Tuesday?

Speaking of the latter, as far as I know it never has made it over to the States... If it has, though I somehow doubt this, someone please correct me!

Will they be playing everything
Or will the boys just keep swinging?
Will we be left to groove to "Ching-A-Ling?"


bowiefanpeter
(the voyeur)
06/27/05 08:09 PM
Re: DVD War new [re: OleanderWhoosh]  

LYTT was an all region coded DVD



Mxy
(kook)
06/27/05 08:56 PM
Re: DVD War new [re: bowiefanpeter]  

It would be odd if LYTT wasn't on the States, since it's down here in Chile, and usually DVDs get here at least 87 years after they come out in the US.

I voted for A Reality Tour. Great mix of old and new songs. BoB is excellent but it suffers from a lack of newer material.

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diamondogz74
(freecloud)
06/28/05 06:20 AM
Re: DVD War new [re: OleanderWhoosh]  

In reply to:

Is Love You To Tuesday the same thing as Love You Till Tuesday?


Yes I just copied&pasted the original post, It is excatly the same as Love You Till Tuesday

Well seeing as it is a region 0 DVD, I see no reason why you cannot import it from europe, I think it should play on your american system?


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SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
06/28/05 08:42 AM
Re: DVD War new [re: diamondogz74]  

The different colour-system in US televisions might cause a problem.

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AdamAdministrator
(acolyte)
06/28/05 11:12 AM
Re: DVD War new [re: JAMIESIM]  

The Best Of is probably the most impressive collection of rock videos you are ever going to see anywhere and it represents Bowie at almost all stages his career.

After that, the choice is more difficult but probably the most recognised is Ziggy Stardust The Motion Picture.

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EJSundayModerator
(heroic dolphin)
06/28/05 12:19 PM
The Encyclopedia vs. The Moment new [re: Adam]  

In reply to:

The Best Of is the probably the most impressive collection of rock videos you are ever going to see anywhere and it represents Bowie at almost all stages his career.


Absolutely true. That collection is totally fascinating and a terrific reflection of his work, his changes over the decades and even his failures are fun to watch and hear there.

Still I voted for Ziggy MoPic - for fully sentimental reasons.

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SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
06/28/05 12:39 PM
Re: The Encyclopedia vs. The Moment new [re: EJSunday]  

The shortage of material predating 1972 and from 1976 does let BoB down a bit. Still, it is extremely good. Plus the whole package aside from the videos themselves (the box, menu screens, even the black screens with the name of each video) is extremely well made, and stands head and shoulders above other video compilations I have (Bowie or otherwise).

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diamondogz74
(freecloud)
06/28/05 01:22 PM
Re: DVD War new [re: Sysiyo]  

In reply to:

The different colour-system in US televisions might cause a problem.


Thats why I said should, yes I know they use less lines than europe and their colour system is the NTSC format?or more correctly the M format, I remember this being mentioned before and it became very complicated

I just thought region 0 would play anywhere! but then our system is pal, I hope oneday the system is all the same.


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Pablo-Picasso
(electric tomato)
06/28/05 01:48 PM
Re: DVD War new [re: diamondogz74]  

Well they would play on a pc anyway.


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th0mas
(acolyte)
06/28/05 02:01 PM
BoB new [re: Sysiyo]  

Well, and the 5.1 Track of course is missing. And there was plenty of room for extras - directors comments, listing of the studio musicians... something like that. I am afraid Bowie and the DVD missed each other by about half a decade. I hope he will catch up though.

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SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
06/29/05 06:49 AM
Re: BoB new [re: th0mas]  

I've never been too much of a fan of extras. If there's interesting stuff to put in it's one thing, but a lot of extras are simpy crap. And again, compared with the other music video DVD's I have, BoB has just as many extras as they do (aka none at all. Well, Oldfield's Elements has an extremely poorly done interview from 1992 tacked onto it. But that's a prime example of poorly done extras).

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diamondogz74
(freecloud)
06/29/05 09:20 AM
Re: DVD War new [re: Pablo-Picasso]  

In reply to:

Well they would play on a pc anyway.


That I didn't know, thanks Alan


London Bye Ta-Ta...

Dara
(acolyte)
06/29/05 12:39 PM
Re: DVD War new [re: Adam]  

In reply to:

The Best Of is the probably the most impressive collection of rock videos you are ever going to see anywhere and it represents Bowie at almost all stages his career.


Can't argue with that. Bowie probably did more than anyone else to make videos an actual art form (as opposed to just commercials), and had a bigger influence on the way that artform developed than anyone else I can think of. That's not to say all his videos are or were great, there are some awful clangers in there, and some lazy efforts too, but even at their worst, they represented that particular Bowie era and their times better than practically anything else.

Slan libh,

Dara

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JAMIESIM
(wild eyed peoploid)
06/29/05 05:06 PM
Re: DVD War new [re: Dara]  

so does anyone have anything good to say about the documentary DVD's sound and vision and so on.

JAMIE >>>



bowiefanpeter
(the voyeur)
06/29/05 07:12 PM
Re: DVD War new [re: Dara]  

<<can't argue with that>>

Is Peter Gabriel the closest to a distant 2nd place?



Dara
(acolyte)
06/30/05 06:12 AM
Re: DVD War new [re: bowiefanpeter]  

In reply to:

Is Peter Gabriel the closest to a distant 2nd place?


Him or Queen, I suppose.

Slan leat,

Dara

"We get smart too late and old too soon." - Mike Tyson

th0mas
(acolyte)
07/02/05 08:39 AM
Re: DVD War new [re: Dara]  

what about björk or radiohead? or perhaps even madonna. bowie's videos are nice but i don't have the feeling that they are really the most impressive examples of video work at any time of his career (execept perhaps ashes to ashes and the work with floria sigismondi) while almost every björk video was groundbreaking just like gabriel's videos in the decade before. madonna on the other hand used the music videos with an unbelieble perfection to create her image - at least until american life when she started rushing after aguilera and spears and gave up being individual.
Queen btw completly missed the last great time of the musicvideo in the early and mid nineties when visually everything got possible and chris cunningham and michel gondry created music videos which in the end were of greater cultural importance than the songs they were made for. so queen certainly have an amazing catalogue with some highlights but won't get into any top ten for live time video work when it includes the last one and a half decades as well.

if you take any book about music videos you will have bowie and queen mentioned in the foreword for their groundbreaking visual components which pushed the whole music video business forward but not quite as often in the sections with the representative examples. on the "shots" videocollection of the last 12 years madonna was included twice, radiohead four times, aphex twin twice (both by cunningham), there was no Queen, no Bowie, no Gabriel.

One could still say, that alone the number of bowie's video makes it hard for other collections to match it's epic quality. But - the best of bowie collection is well done but still not with half as much love for the little details as the queen collections (which btw. offer a 5.1 remix as well) which use the advantages of the dvd format much better.

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bowiefanpeter
(the voyeur)
07/02/05 09:48 AM
Re: DVD War new [re: th0mas]  

Who has won the MTV video vanguard award(formerly known as Micheal Jackson Award)?

I only remember Duran, Beasties, Madonna and u2.

bfp





JAMIESIM
(wild eyed peoploid)
07/02/05 08:30 PM
Re: DVD War new [re: Dara]  

I personally think that Bowie’s videos were at their peak in the late 70s and 80s. I can only think of a few impressive videos from the 90s and since the then Bowies Video’s have seemed to have stagnated.

Radiohead are brilliant at making videos, No surprises and Karma Police were probably the catalyst which make ok computer one of the finest albums ever made.

JAMIE




SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
07/03/05 06:01 AM
Re: DVD War new [re: JAMIESIM]  

In reply to:

I can only think of a few impressive videos from the 90s and since the then Bowies Video’s have seemed to have stagnated.


Um... Jump They Say, The Hearts Filthy Lesson, Little Wonder or I'm Afraid Of Americans are hardly videos to scoff at (and I have a personal weak spot for Buddha Of Suburbia).

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JAMIESIM
(wild eyed peoploid)
07/03/05 02:33 PM
Re: DVD War new [re: Sysiyo]  

Yeah but you also have to remember those tin machine videos which weren’t that good, not in my view anyway, black tie white noise , Miracle Goodnight ect lacked integrity in my view as well.



SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
07/03/05 03:12 PM
Re: DVD War new [re: JAMIESIM]  

Then again, a large number of Bowie's 80's and 70's videos were quite crappy as well. And Tin Machine vids had their moments, One Shot for instance was pretty good (far better than the music would deserve.)

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Pablo-Picasso
(electric tomato)
07/03/05 03:15 PM
Re: DVD War new [re: Sysiyo]  

I actually prefer dvd 2 to dvd1, as I find the videos are more consistent.

You should not underestimate people, not everybody is as thick as you.


SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
07/03/05 03:17 PM
Re: DVD War new [re: Pablo-Picasso]  

Indeed. There are some individual gems on the first disc, but some real stinkers as well. Disc 2 has some real gems, but the only really really poor video I can think of is Fame '90.

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Pablo-Picasso
(electric tomato)
07/03/05 03:20 PM
Re: DVD War new [re: Sysiyo]  

I am not fussed with the hours videos either, especially Survive, so for me it ends on a low point, but that is it.

You should not underestimate people, not everybody is as thick as you.


AdamAdministrator
(acolyte)
07/03/05 03:28 PM
Re: DVD War new [re: JAMIESIM]  

According to Wikipedia, the first promo clip to "combine all the elements of the modern music video" is The Jean Genie. "Filmed and directed by renowned photographer Mick Rock, this genre-defining four-minute film was produced for less than $350, shot in one day in San Francisco on 28th October 1972, and edited in less than two days".

As for good 90s videos, I'd also add 'You Belong in Rock n Roll' and 'Strangers When We Meet'.

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diamondogz74
(freecloud)
07/03/05 03:31 PM
Re: DVD War new [re: Adam]  

In reply to:

'Strangers When We Meet'.


That one in particular being absolutely brilliant



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JAMIESIM
(wild eyed peoploid)
07/03/05 03:49 PM
Re: DVD War new [re: Pablo-Picasso]  

Was survive Directed by a quite high ranking, well respected director, but then again it might just be my imagination telling me this?



AdamAdministrator
(acolyte)
07/03/05 03:58 PM
Battle of the docos new [re: JAMIESIM]  

In reply to:

so does anyone have anything good to say about the documentary DVD's sound and vision and so on


'Sound and Vision' is mainly well known biographical data (from existing book bios) combined with footage that has been screened elsewhere. It probably serves good purpose for new fans with limited materials. For me, the budget 'Origins of a Starman' was slightly more rewarding for the interview obscurities and I hold similar hope for 'Inside David Bowie: 1969-1974'. I am not entirely sure if 'Classic Rock Tribute' or 'Rock Review' differs from that title.

But I suspect the main problem here is that the best documentary ('Hang on to Yourself' from the Dancing in the Streets series) has yet to gain DVD release. It's somewhat an update of the classic 'Cracked Actor'. I'd also put Lou Reed's 'Transformer' DVD ahead of these doco picks. And I hold great hope for the Swedish doco on 'Life on Mars?' for it's exclusive mixes and analysis.

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SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
07/03/05 05:26 PM
Re: Battle of the docos new [re: Adam]  

In reply to:

And I hold great hope for the Swedish doco on 'Life on Mars?' for it's exclusive mixes and analysis.


Actually, according to the Illusitrated Discography, none of the special mixes were used on the programme in the end.

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bowiefanpeter
(the voyeur)
07/04/05 00:13 AM
Re: DVD War new [re: Dara]  

<<MTV Video Vanguard Award>>

84 - Beatles/Bowie/Richard Lester
85 - Byrne/Kevin Godley&Lol Creme/Russell Mulcahy
86 - Madonna/Zbignieew Rybeznski
87 - Peter Gabriel/Julien Temple
88 - Jacko
89 - George Micheal
90 - Janet
91 - Jacko(?)
92 - G'nR
93 - ?
94 - ?
95 - REM
96 - ?
97 - ?
98 - Mark Romanek/LL Cool J/Beasties(?)
99 - ?
00 - RCHP
01 - U2
02 - not given out!!!!
03 - Duran
04 - ?

Dara, I don't think Queen has ever won the award - at least not when Freddie was around. Other notable omissions are Devo and Weird Al. Elvis Presley should also be acknowledged, even if he died 6-7 years before MTV started up.

I believe Bjork won a European Vanguard Award.

This is the best I can find all the facts - the MTV site is quite useless - I have a history of MTV book, but it's MIA.

BFP





bowiefanpeter
(the voyeur)
07/17/05 09:36 PM
Re: DVD War new [re: bowiefanpeter]  

MTV Video Vanguard

1984 - Beatles/Richard Lester/David Bowie(***not awarded***?)
1985 - David Byrne/Kevin Godley/Lol Creme/Russell Mulcahy
1986 - Madonna/Zbigniew Rybcynski
1987 - Julien Temple/Peter Gabriel
1988 - Michael Jackson(renamed the Michael Jackson Video Vanguard Award in 1991(?))
1989 - George Michael
1990 - Janet Jackson
1991 - Bon Jovi/Wayne Isham
1992 - Guns 'N Roses
1993 - ***not awarded***
1994 - Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
1995 - R.E.M.
1996 - ***not awarded***
1997 - L.L. Cool J
1998 - Beastie Boys(Spike Jonze??)
1999 - ***not awarded***
2000 - ***not awarded***/RHCP(performance only????)
2001 - U2(with Ramones onstage)
2002 - ***not awarded***
2003 - Duran Duran(with major tape glitch error)
2004 - ?
2005 - Ashlee Simpson(projected)

I know well enough that seeking historical perspective from MTV is a very slippery slop. This is the same company that disposed of the original US Live Aid aired TV footage.

There are some missing names here: Queen, Missy Elliot, Elvis, Chris Cunningham, Blondie, Bjork, Hype Williams, Devo, ABBA, Weird Al, the guy that did the White Stripes videos, Nirvana and possibly Pink Floyd. Anyone else, Dara?

BFP



Dara
(acolyte)
08/01/05 01:53 PM
Re: DVD War new [re: bowiefanpeter]  

In reply to:

Anyone else, Dara?


Massive Attack and Marilyn Manson.

Slan leat,

Dara

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