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Shelle
(crash course raver)
01/11/06 01:26 PM
Re: Tony Defries new [re: Revol]  

One thing that struck me when I read a Bowie biography is the young Bowie didn't have a lick of sense when it came to choosing friends and bidness associates.

He managed to pick up a whole host of losers that any sane person would have run a marathon from. All the MainMan people, Angie, Defries....God, how did he ever think these people were qualified to handle his business?

Defries was essentially a jumped up legal clerk. Bowie's success despite him made it appear briefly that he had Svengali properties, but he quickly faded back into the obscurity that would have been his permanent lot in life if he hadn't been lucky enough to have conned Bowie into letting him be his manager.

Bowie obviously got more streetwise as his career went on, but at the start, he was a bidness retard.

He'll have you wrestling midgets in border towns for ten percent of the net.


guiltpuppy
(cracked actor)
01/11/06 05:58 PM
Re: Tony Defries new [re: Shelle]  

Okay, I think this thread has sidetracked enough. Let's get back to the important question: How big the Mr. Tony Defries penis? Little big or a lot?

To be equal you have to add or subtract and I have never liked math.

Mxy
(electric tomato)
01/11/06 06:47 PM
Re: Tony Defries new [re: guiltpuppy]  

Is it bigger or smaller than a dog's?

Mxy's Bizarre Webcomic. Updated daily.

KModerator
(thunder ocean)
01/11/06 07:53 PM
Terskadiohead new [re: Mxy]  

As in real dog, with dog's penis head?

Vastakkainasettelun aika ei ole ohi.
mieti ketä äänestät.

Shelle
(crash course raver)
01/11/06 09:19 PM
Re: Tony Defries new [re: guiltpuppy]  

In reply to:

How big the Mr. Tony Defries penis?



Small and cut, clearly.

He'll have you wrestling midgets in border towns for ten percent of the net.


Dara
(acolyte)
01/13/06 10:34 AM
Re: Tin Machine, not Tony DeFries new [re: bowiefanpeter]  

In reply to:

As for Bowie paying for the TM tours. When Reevz kicked up some dirt we had the very same argument. It was quickly debunked for a couple reasons: a) all gigs should have sold out, if only for the Bowie factor b)The tour should have self-financed itself seeing as some venues were several thousand.



Not to dig up old arguments or anything, but I'd have to seriously question the validity of any such debunking.

From Pegg:
Twelve shows in all - three in America, four on mainland Europe, and five in Britain - and all in venues with a capacity of no more than 2000.

It's difficult for me to see how a tour on that scale could have even come close to break even when you factor in transatlantic flights, hotel accomodation and all the rest of it for the band, the crew and the rest of the entourage. Particularly when you lump in the costs of a few weeks of rehearsals. And if I remember correctly, ticket prices were pretty modest.

One other interesting Pegg tidbit:
In Amsterdam on 24 June, video screens were erected outside the 1500-seater venue to mollify the 25,000-strong crowd that had gathered in the hope of getting tickets.

I wonder who paid for those screens?

Slan libh,

Dara

"Ireland is a great country to go to if you think you're drinking too much. Because it turns out you're not even close"

EJ
(byroad singer)
01/13/06 10:51 AM
Audience Flow new [re: Dara]  

TM played the "Huxley's Neue Welt" in Berlin which holds about 1500 people. And though it was sold out there were not many people outside hoping for tickets.

When Bowie came around with the Outside Tour a while later they booked the Deutschlandhalle with a capacity of 10.000 people, but roughly 4000 turned up. Maybe even less. He was not at a high at the time.

And I want to believe that a light's shining through somehow


bowiefanpeter
(the voyeur)
01/13/06 11:32 AM
Re: Tin Machine, not Tony DeFries new [re: Dara]  

Dara,

I was refering to the 1991 tour, which included 2-night stands in places like San Diego. He played the 3,000+ Paramount theater in Seattle, just like he did on the Ziggy/ Earthling/ Reality tours.

I'm sure the 89 tour was a promo tour funded by the record company, just like the 99 promo tour. EMI picked up the 89 bill, just like 87 media gigs.

There just remains the question of where exactly lost money in the TM tenure? I can only think of Bowie possibly foresaking his future record contracts.

bfp

Edited by bowiefanpeter on 01/13/06 11:36 AM (server time).



NomDePlume
(kook)
01/17/06 09:24 AM
Re: Tony Defries new [re: Sticky_sawdust]  

He's still alive. He made enough money off Bowie to last him a lifetime.

Really, he's a typical lawyer: he did nothing, but somehow ended up with all the money.

""Looking for love, not sex" -- the tagline of many a troll who doesn't believe they are worthy or capable of sex in its own right, but god, the thought of carrying that sort of middling self-esteem all the way to 36 is disturbing."

Dara
(acolyte)
01/17/06 10:41 AM
Re: Tin Machine, not Tony DeFries [re: bowiefanpeter]  

In reply to:

I was refering to the 1991 tour


Ah, okay, I didn't realise that. In that case, what you say makes perfect sense.

Slan leat,

Dara

"Ireland is a great country to go to if you think you're drinking too much. Because it turns out you're not even close"


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