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ExquisiteCorpse
(wild eyed peoploid)
01/04/02 00:48 AM
Hateable Bowie albums? new  

Are there any Bowie albums that you absolutely hate?

Just bleeding like a polaroid...

ziggfried
(electric tomato)
01/04/02 01:27 AM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: ExquisiteCorpse]  

No. Even Tin Machine and Tin Machine II, which I dislike, I wouldn't go so far as to say I hate them. Bowie albums can be disappointing. They can be unfulfilled. They can be overrated. They can be bland. They can be lacklustre. But they can't be hateable (at least not to me).

ThEre's NOThINg oN thE radiO WHeN yOu'rE dEAd
THeRe'S NoTHiNG at ThE MoviE sHow wHen you'Re dEAd
There'S noWherE LEFt foR YoU to gO whEn yoU'RE dEAd

tv eye
(crash course raver)
01/04/02 04:22 AM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: ziggfried]  

apart from the self titled 1967, i'd be very tempted to say earthling. i do love the cover art though. i still can't dig tm, although tm2 is wonderful.


oh by jingo


sondra
(crash course raver)
01/04/02 05:10 AM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: ExquisiteCorpse]  

No, it isnt possible for me to 'hate' any of them. There are a couple that I dont listen to often, of the ones I have. But isnt because I hate them....just maybe couldnt 'appreciate' his style of that specific time. But they are all about Bowie...his attitudes, style & individuality (or lack of ) at the time!!!
They are all Bowie Moments of Time!!!!

I want a new sig......

Jolanda
(wild eyed peoploid)
01/04/02 06:00 AM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: sondra]  

i haven't heard them all, so i can't really say. but i don't think there can be an album i hate. they all have probably at least one song i like. but pin ups was a bit of a disappointment. i don't like the way he sings.



Cryx
(wild eyed peoploid)
01/04/02 06:08 AM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: ExquisiteCorpse]  

Some Bowie songs I quite like are on - for the rest - mediocre albums, so it's impossible to hate them.
My appreciation for some albums has gone up and down. Lord knows I even disliked "Low" one time (may God forgive me).
Hell, sometimes I'm even in the mood for a "Tonight"-session with the cd-player on repeat!

God doesn't care if I'm good

JonnyManic
(wild eyed peoploid)
01/04/02 08:57 AM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: ExquisiteCorpse]  

Don't hate any, though there are a few I can take-or-leave, particularly Young Americans and Tonight.

"I wonder who you think you are
You damn well think you're God or something
God give life, God taketh it away, not you
I think you are the Devil itself"

Edited by JonnyManic on 01/04/02 11:56 AM (server time).



TheDeuce
(cracked actor)
01/04/02 10:06 AM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: ExquisiteCorpse]  

The Berlin Triology collect the most dust out of my collection. There are maybe one or two salvageable tracks on each album for me, but that's it.

I know it's hard to keep an open heart
when even friends seem out to harm you

ErichJohann
(wild eyed peoploid)
01/04/02 10:35 AM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: TheDeuce]  

Dust on the Berlin tracks?????????????? Unbelievable. "Tonight" comes close to being hated by me but I`d rather say I detest it cause of its slimy commercial attitude. Thumbs up for "loving the alien", though.



deadziggywalking
(crash course raver)
01/04/02 01:42 PM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: ErichJohann]  

Tonight and Space oddity.I mean,I don't "hate" Space oddity,but it....seems to have the most dust on itself.
What it takes of Tonight,it's mostly because it's an LP,not CD.

Whatever Iíve Done
Iíve Been Staring Down The
Barrel Of A Gun





Cisite
(wild eyed peoploid)
01/04/02 01:49 PM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: ExquisiteCorpse]  

The early Decca and Pye Tunes and various compilations of them. "I Dig Everything", "London Boy" and "The Dream Anthology". I don't hate any of these albums they just do nothing for me.

"Why Can't People Go Through life without Comparing their own to anyone elses ?"

Trash
(electric tomato)
01/04/02 01:55 PM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: ExquisiteCorpse]  

No, just a few I donīt like much...

http://www.dreamwater.net/music/serenity/

ExquisiteCorpse
(wild eyed peoploid)
01/04/02 02:23 PM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: Cisite]  

I find the Deram Anthology very amusing and I love it...

They'll just cut our wrists like cheap coupons and say that death was on sale today...

WildWind
(stardust savant)
01/04/02 02:28 PM
Nah, they just get better new [re: ExquisiteCorpse]  

Up until a few weeks ago, I hated Tonight. I never listened to it, and I even sort of denied its existence; "Loving The Alien" and "Blue Jean" were just random singles to me.

Recently, however, I was inspired to listen to it again, and I've found, much to my surprise, that I quite like it. It's nowhere near the top of the heap, for sure, but it is indeed very enjoyable to me now.

So the only album that I dislike more than like at this point is 'hours...', and I still couldn't say I hate it. And 15 years down the road, I might actually decide I like it more than I thought I did.

- So, what you're saying is that you manipulated me.
- Yes, exactly.


ExquisiteCorpse
(wild eyed peoploid)
01/04/02 02:40 PM
Re: Nah, they just get better new [re: WildWind]  

I think that hours... just had really high expectations and most people are just diappointed in it...compared to other Bowie albums it can appear kind of boring...but standing on its own it's pretty good...

They'll just cut our wrists like cheap coupons and say that death was on sale today...

Tristan
(stardust savant)
01/04/02 03:50 PM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: Cisite]  

In reply to:

"The Dream Anthology".


I know you meant to say The Deram Anthology. Go back and listen to The Gospel According To Tony Day. That's one of my favorite Bowie songs from the 60's.

Love And Anger ~ KB

ErichJohann
(wild eyed peoploid)
01/04/02 04:07 PM
Re: Nah, they just get better new [re: ExquisiteCorpse]  

It surprises me that so many around here dislike "hours". To me it is a very good album, belongs to his best work in the 90s. Far better than "Outside" or "BTWN". Same level as "Buddha", and "Earthling", though it is very different from those more adventurous pieces. "Still have some good tunes in me" the Man said about "hours", and he has proven himself dead right. Great singing, good songs, less intrusive than the pseudo-intellectual non-sense named "Outside" and far more inspired than the rather dull middle-of-the-road-singsang we partly find on "BTWN". Had to be said.



Cryx
(wild eyed peoploid)
01/04/02 04:18 PM
Re: Nah, they just get better new [re: ErichJohann]  

I was surprised too by the critics on hours... It lived up to my expectations when I bought it. I had read before it was more "old school" Bowie, which I liked very much.
Outside and Earthling were very good, but these relaxed songs about real people on "hours..." were very welcome. I really can't see why anyone would hate it, or think it's one of Bowies worst.

God doesn't care if I'm good

Nephthys
(electric tomato)
01/04/02 05:03 PM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: ExquisiteCorpse]  

There are alot, I mean alot, of Bowie albums I cannot stand. I can be picky when it comes to music, very. Some of the albums I don't like are Young Americans, hours..., Let's Dance, and I really don't understand why everyone things S2S is so great. I like some of the tracks, but it seems so dull.

Just my two cents. I feel the early 70s albums make up for the others I dislike.

Masturbation can be fun so join the holy orgy kama sutra everyone!

ExquisiteCorpse
(wild eyed peoploid)
01/04/02 05:06 PM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: Tristan]  

aaaaaaah once again i love Tristan...I LOVE the gospel according to tony day...that song is so sleezy or something...i don't know what it is...it's just really cool...

They'll just cut our wrists like cheap coupons and say that death was on sale today...

Claude
(stardust savant)
01/04/02 05:39 PM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: ExquisiteCorpse]  

I don't hate any Bowie's album, but I dislike the following:

- SPACE ODDITY
- LET'S DANCE
- TONIGHT
- NEVER LET ME DOWN
- TIN MACHINE 2

"Ohhh, you're a rock 'n' roll suicide"

Claude
(stardust savant)
01/04/02 05:43 PM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: tv eye]  

In reply to:

i'd be very tempted to say earthling


I am I skip only the last track!


"Ohhh, you're a rock 'n' roll suicide"

Claude
(stardust savant)
01/04/02 05:48 PM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: TheDeuce]  

In reply to:

The Berlin Triology collect the most dust out of my collection.


I think you are joking!

"Ohhh, you're a rock 'n' roll suicide"

Claude
(stardust savant)
01/04/02 05:52 PM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: Nephthys]  

In reply to:

I really don't understand why everyone things S2S is so great




"Ohhh, you're a rock 'n' roll suicide"

ErichJohann
(wild eyed peoploid)
01/04/02 05:57 PM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: Claude]  

I don`t understand why some people are into David Bowie.



Zella
(mortal with potential)
01/04/02 05:58 PM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: Claude]  

I'm surprised not more people listed Never Let Me Down. That was a pathetic album. I refused to ever purchase it. It was the only time since 1972 that I was embarassed to be a Bowie fan. Tonight was also disapointing. I think db was going through some serious creative blockage. That often happens when you get off the hard drugs! haha However, at some point, a friend bought me a very nice little 7" single box-set of Day In - Day Out. I never listen to it, but I'm happy to own it!

Death makes angels of us all... (J.M.)

ErichJohann
(wild eyed peoploid)
01/04/02 06:15 PM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: Zella]  

NLMD gets a bonus as far as I am concerned: first for having "time will crawl" on it and secondly cause the appendant "Glas Spider Tour" included Bowie standing on top of the stage roof with golden wings strapped to his body chanting "Time" into the warm Berlin summer night. Unreal, bizarre, unforgettable. Pretty shitty album still.



WildWind
(stardust savant)
01/04/02 08:24 PM
Maybe in 15 years new [re: ErichJohann]  

In reply to:

It surprises me that so many around here dislike "hours".


I can't speak for anyone else, but I'll tell you why I don't like it. In a nutshell, it's boring and the lyrics are weak.

I'm not a musician, but as a layperson, I find nothing engaging or stimulating about most of the music. It seems like he's just going through the motions, making simple, friendly tunes. There's nothing intense or unusual or cutting-edge like there is on 1. Outside or Buddha of Suburbia.

But even that I could have lived with had the album not included such lyrical gems as "I should have been a wiser kind of guy," "You're the great mistake I never made," and the maddeningly absurd "Abracadoo."

I also don't care for the abundance of cheesy sentimentality on the album. That's something he's never done particularly well.

Here is a review I wrote of it when it first came out. I actually liked it more when I first heard it than I do now - I gave it just couple of listens to get the review in by deadline, and it wasn't until later, more intensive listens that I realised how much I dislike the lyrics.

I sound like an overly-negative bitch. I'm not, I swear. I do like "The Dreamers," "The Pretty Things Are Going To Hell," and "Brilliant Adventure." "New Angels Of Promise" is OK, and I've recently developed a sentimental spot for "Something In The Air" (though I still think the opening riff was better the first time it was used in "Seven Years In Tibet," and that "Abracadoo" thing is just so wrong).

I don't hate the album, but I find it so inferior to the rest of his work that I can't really respect it. I will say that I liked the songs on the album much better when I heard them on a boot in their Omikron form. This is especially true of what became "New Angels Of Promise." But I'll never understand how anyone could put this on the same level as Buddha Of Suburbia.

WW

- So, what you're saying is that you manipulated me.
- Yes, exactly.


twister
(stardust savant)
01/04/02 09:07 PM
Bowie Albums That Twister Hates new [re: ExquisiteCorpse]  

I hate Let's Dance. I think Modern Love is a pretty great song, but the rest ranges from boring (at best) to excruciating (at Shake It). I also hate Earthling, which is just a complete piece of shit from start to finish.

I hope that I can say the things I wish I'd said.

TheDeuce
(cracked actor)
01/04/02 11:00 PM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: Claude]  

In reply to:

I think you are joking!



Nay, when it comes to Bowie I don't jest. I really don't like arty music (so wherever Sysiyo is, he can have his V-2 Shneider). I'm more of a hard rock/metal fan, so I prefer his early 70s work over anything else of his, though I do get off to Tonight.

I know it's hard to keep an open heart
when even friends seem out to harm you

Denno
(electric tomato)
01/04/02 11:14 PM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: ExquisiteCorpse]  

The 80s Crap Trilogy (Let's Dance, Tonight, NLMD)
Tin Machine I and II
Black Tie White Noise
The Buddha Of Suburbia
Earthling
they all suck...



ogeretla
(kook)
01/04/02 11:18 PM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: Claude]  

First item I'd like to address- why on earth would anyone dislike 'Space Oddity'? This album is a panoply of excellence! Some of Bowie's best writing- not the best, but considerably some of the cream of the crop (though there is almost more cream than crop to pick from). There is not a single bad moment on the album, and it reaches an amazing end with MOAFF, which is a song that I prohibit myself to listen to, unless something strikingly wonderful has happened that would be worth playing it- in respect of savoring the song so that It will never be over played. 'Cygnet Committee' is arguably one of Bowie's finest works, in my humble opinion, and "Unwashed and Somewhat Slightly Dazed" never fails to bring a smile to my face. And of course, the title track is possibly Bowie's most recognized work, and is nevertheless, quite satisfactory. And even "Don't Sit Down" is a funny and lovable little selection, it's nice to hear Bowie laugh, as well. - I love this album!

Now, to address the actual matter of importance- I hate no Bowie albums, there are a few that are less pleasing, and they go in this order
1. Never Let Me Down
2. Tonight
3. 67 LP
4. Tin Machine
5. Tin Machine II

-I used to dislike BTWN, but with an eye specifically layed on the lyrics, and not the sound (which I also grew to like) I discovered a very good album, I still can't say I utterly dig the sound, but the brass sections are great, and the writing is on par with being essential Bowie work.

Anyhow, that is simply my opinion- I would very much like to see why the hell people don't like Space Oddity!

"This message is for anyone who dares to hear a fool" -Billy Corgan

Paris
(wild eyed peoploid)
01/05/02 00:42 AM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: Zella]  

In reply to:

I'm surprised not more people listed Never Let Me Down. That was a pathetic album.


I listened to it on repeat last night for about 3 hours, it's one of my favorite albums of David Bowie's. Time Will Crawl, Makin' My Love, and Beat On Your Drum are brilliant. To me, it is the epitome of pop music. The lyrics are genius. [But I think that Davy was a little too dizzy when he wrote Too Dizzy, to this I will concede.] The songs are witty and upbeat, the entire album is a stimulant, and I think that if less people walked around dishing that it's sooo awful, a lot more people would love it.

post script: Zeroes is one of my favorite songs!

Woman was God's second mistake. -Friedrich W. Nietzsche

Chozza
(grinning soul)
01/05/02 09:11 AM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: Nephthys]  

In reply to:

I really don't understand why everyone things S2S is so great. I like some of the tracks, but it seems so dull.


I completely agree. The song station to station does for me make up for the rest of the album; I think it's great, but the five tracks that aren't this song are dull. The album is probably very significant in Bowie's career etc. but musically I prefer the earlier 70's and 1. Outside.


you can't not like pink per se

Cisite
(wild eyed peoploid)
01/05/02 09:27 AM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: Tristan]  

In response to al your comments about "The Deram Anthology", I sat down last night and listened to the entire thing. I stand Corrected! A really impressive album, some of the songs are really good and underated (The Gospel According to Tony Day). I think its gonna grow on me.

"Why Can't People Go Through life without Comparing their own to anyone elses ?"

ExquisiteCorpse
(wild eyed peoploid)
01/05/02 02:33 PM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: Cisite]  

The Tony Day followers congratulate you...

The suspicion that nothing is real should be the realization that anything is possible...

Tristan
(stardust savant)
01/05/02 03:02 PM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: ExquisiteCorpse]  

In reply to:

The Tony Day followers congratulate you...


Yes we do! I've been praising this song on this MB for years. I'm happy to see that someone else likes it as well.

Love And Anger ~ KB

Zella
(mortal with potential)
01/06/02 11:18 AM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: ErichJohann]  

I think Paris hit the nail on the head saying that NLMD is the epitome of "pop" music. I don't much like pop music (whatever that means!). That's why I always liked Bowie because he was so anti-pop. But maybe he wasn't really. All I know is that not too many of my class mates could get into his music, while, in my view it was the only thing worth listening to. But I will give him points for the whole Glass Spider thing. It's not the song that's so great - but the concert was amazing. I still think the 1977 Stage tour was better (perhaps only because I was much younger and more impressionable). 1997 small club tour was the ultimate!! :-)

Death makes angels of us all... (J.M.)

tv eye
(crash course raver)
01/06/02 07:02 PM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: Zella]  

In reply to:

liked Bowie because he was so anti-pop


hmmmmmmmm
starman
rebel rebel
young americans
golden years
red sails
boys keep swinging
- no sense of pop whatsoever???


oh by jingo


Sysiyo
(stardust savant)
01/07/02 07:56 AM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: ExquisiteCorpse]  

I don't hate any of his albums... I dislike Earthling, but it makes good listening when you're angry, so I can't say I hate it. Thank you for your interest .


Bowie-Eno is Finnish for Uncle Bowie

Flis
(kook)
01/07/02 08:33 AM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: ogeretla]  

I too love Space Oddity. Don't understand how people can dislike it.

I don't hate any of the albums. There are surely those I don't listen to as much as others, but I can't even say that I dislike them.
I am an sickly uncritical person.



Zella
(mortal with potential)
01/07/02 02:52 PM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: tv eye]  

Yes, you're right. How about anti-bubblegum? or pop for intellectuals?

Death makes angels of us all... (J.M.)

hangontoyourself
(electric tomato)
08/12/04 04:35 AM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: ExquisiteCorpse]  

I hate "Tin Machine" - I find it completely unentertaining at any level. It's not even like "Never Let Me Down" where you can kind of KNOW it's naff but enjoy it because of that feel, it's just shite. I never bothered with the second one because I disliked the first so much. I'm coming to hate "Young Americans" - I love some songs on it but towards the end (with the bonus tracks) it seems to collapse into terrible outtakes and dried up ideas. I never managed to get into "hours..." either but I wouldn't say that I hated it, just that I don't particularly like it.

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pablopicasso
(stardust savant)
08/12/04 05:03 AM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: hangontoyourself]  

You might find you would enjoy TM2 better, although it has some really bad Hunt Sales moments on it, it also has much more Bowie than the first, Goodbye mr ed, shopping for girls and Amlapura are a million miles away from Heavens in here and Pretty thing.

I like both albums though. Nevertheless I would never dismiss something before I had heard it. It would be like judging The man who sold the world on the strength of God know's I'm good from the previous album. Give it a go sometime.


I agree with the above statement.

hangontoyourself
(electric tomato)
08/12/04 05:12 AM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: pablopicasso]  

I must admit I did quite like the songs you just mentioned on the "Sound and Vision" box set...is it worth BUYING the album pablo?

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SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
08/12/04 05:22 AM
Re: Hams? new [re: hangontoyourself]  

If you can find the album (which is easier said than done), you should buy it. It is miles better than TM1. Of course, it's no Station To Station either.

I won't go into the albu mthat I really, really hate because... that has been discussed before. Too many times.

KArt | Project Michelangelo | LiveJournal

hangontoyourself
(electric tomato)
08/12/04 05:24 AM
Re: Hams? new [re: Sysiyo]  

I did actually find it on Ebay but declined to buy it on the basis that I'd already bought the 30th Anniversary Ziggy that week and couldn't afford to splash out again. If it goes recommended I'll look into it.

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BigFatDog
(wild eyed peoploid)
08/12/04 07:52 AM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: ExquisiteCorpse]  

I dont hate it, but I find Black Tie White Noise embarrasingly poor.



leggabel
(mortal with potential)
08/12/04 08:07 AM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: pablopicasso]  

tin machine great songs great vocal performances over guitary and drummy[if they are real words]



hangontoyourself
(electric tomato)
08/12/04 08:12 AM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: BigFatDog]  

I actually quite like Black Tie. If you're not comparing it to Diamond Dogs or Ziggy then it is reasonable. It's not a work of art but i enjoy it.

If you think we're gonna make it...
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RabbitFighter
(acolyte)
08/12/04 08:26 AM
Re: Hams? new [re: hangontoyourself]  

Tin Machine 2 isn't exactly another Bowie classic but it's still a huge improvement on the pisspoor first album. Definetily worth buying.

I bear more grudges
than lonely high court judges


diamondogz74
(acolyte)
08/12/04 08:29 AM
Black Tie, White Noise. new [re: hangontoyourself]  

In reply to:

I actually quite like Black Tie. If you're not comparing it to Diamond Dogs or Ziggy then it is reasonable. It's not a work of art but i enjoy it.


I like BTWN very much, his voice is terrific on that album, agreed it's no DD or ZS, I just love all the jazz, and saxophone on BTWN.

The only Bowie album I have any problems with is, "Lets Dance" I have it of course, being the completist I am, but it's rarely, if ever played by me, It has some good lyrics, but the album reeks of commercialism, but I have heard some of the songs performed live, and they sound much better.

I actually cannot find it in myself, to hate any Bowie album, I just rate some, better than others.

I really adore his 1960s material.

Post 4

And it really doesn't matter if im wrong
I'm right


Rheingold

London Bye Ta-Ta...

carsten
(kook)
08/12/04 09:30 AM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: EJSunday]  

NLMD gets a bonus as far as I am concerned: first for having "time will crawl" on it and secondly cause the appendant "Glas Spider Tour" included Bowie standing on top of the stage roof with golden wings strapped to his body chanting "Time" into the warm Berlin summer night.

Agreed. 'Wasn't aware we've been at the same concert once.

/Carsten




bibiStardust
(electric tomato)
08/13/04 04:48 AM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: carsten]  

In reply to:

I really don't understand why everyone things S2S is so great


Well, just listen...

I'm suprised, because Pinups is the first who came to my mind...i don't hate it ( well, there's Sorrow, and Emily Plays), but...well, let's face it, it sucks.
I would say Tin Machine II too...i only listen the first track...

I can't remember who said Hours is better than Outside, and that it was the best 90s Bowie work...LLLOOOOLLLL !!! :p

That's it!

There's this feeling that we're going to be living until the end of time



pablopicasso
(stardust savant)
08/13/04 05:02 AM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: bibiStardust]  

The only hateable Bowie albums are the plethora of Deram/Decca rereleases of the first album, with slightly different track listings with pictures of Ziggy/Halloween Jack/Thin white Duke/Stage era Bowie/Let's dance era Bowie/90's Bowie on to entice the current crop of new fans that this album will sound like the current incarnation.

I have nothing against the actual music of these albums, just the cynical way they have been marketed over the years. Only three of these albums should exist..
David Bowie - for historical reasons the original album should be out there.
Love you til tuesday - as it has songs specific to the film.
The Anthology - for getting (almost) everything in one place, this was, sadly due to Bowie, a missed oportunity though and should have uncluded so much more.



If you want me to play, I will.
If you want me to not play at all, I won't.Whatever it is that pleases you Paul, I'll do it.


diamondogz74
(acolyte)
08/13/04 07:19 AM
Re: Likeable Bowie albums? new [re: pablopicasso]  

In reply to:

The Anthology - for getting (almost) everything in one place, this was, sadly due to Bowie, a missed oportunity though and should have uncluded so much more.


I take it from those words, you mean the song "When Im Five" ? I did incidently purchase the recent release by Deram/Decca, of the Japenese pressing of the "Anthology" although the content is the same, the artwork, and detail of the album is very impressive, even down to making it, an exact replica of the first ever Bowie album, It comes complete with proper cardboard sleeve, Inside it's packed in a transparent paper sleeve, and has a wonderful booklet, even the CD itself has a white cover, with the words "Deram" in orange, and it says "side one", plus it's a limited number edition of 5000 copies, mine is numbered 2.141

I do also own, all the other CDs of his 1960s material, I really don't mind that it's shameless marketing, It's up to you, If you purchase them ? I am merely a purchaser, I am not here to criticize the record companies for making profit, after all, Isn't that what living is about ? making a living.

Post 3


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I'm right


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London Bye Ta-Ta...

BigFatDog
(wild eyed peoploid)
08/13/04 07:41 AM
Re: Likeable Bowie albums? new [re: diamondogz74]  

In reply to:

I am not here to criticize the record companies for making profit, after all, Isn't that what living is about ? making a living.


Yeah, but when we have to spend our living on yet another edition of something or something that has been dragged through the market every which way it becomes a different matter.

Just makes fans disgruntled when collectors have to pay out for something they've already purchased 3 or 4 times, and yet still have to pay £/$ 50 for a copy of Buddha.



diamondogz74
(acolyte)
08/13/04 08:08 AM
Suburbia, and Buddha new [re: BigFatDog]  

In reply to:

and yet still have to pay £/$ 50 for a copy of Buddha.


Well that is indeed a great shame, I don't own a copy of "Buddha" either, I would love to own this album, It's way too pricey, all we can do is hope that ? It is re-released, but then be prepared, for the many who will cry foul, at having to pay $50.00 or more, for it, in the first place

As for purchasing many copies of one album, for bonus tracks, yes that is very annoying, but what else can we do ?

Post 5



And it really doesn't matter if im wrong
I'm right


Rheingold

London Bye Ta-Ta...

pablopicasso
(stardust savant)
08/13/04 08:33 AM
Shattered derams new [re: diamondogz74]  

All I was really trying to say is this..

Go back to 1977,
You have just bought Low and you like it so you decide to see what else is available, you enter the record shop and are greated with a range of Bowie albums, they are all there, Ziggy, Aladdin etc, you notice an album with a cover shot which looks like David Bowie as he is now in 77, so as you enjoyed Low, you decide to get that one instead of this one with a Black and white cover with only six songs on it, what a shock you are going to get when Uncle Arthur starts playing.

I am not saying there was anything wrong with the music, but it should be packaged in a way that you know what you are buying. Decca used a cavalier attitude around the world in the 70's and 80's to cream as much money out of unsuspecting casual fans, fans who could then be put off bowie. They did the same with Cat stevens, forever regurgitating his two Deram albums in an almost neverending display of different covers, only suprised me they didn't try and capitalise on his Muslim beliefs a couple of years ago to make a fast buck.

Added to this the lack of enthusiasm they had for Bowie when he was signed to them makes them a particularly loathsome company.

If you want me to play, I will.
If you want me to not play at all, I won't.
Whatever it is that pleases you Paul, I'll do it.


poorsoul
(acolyte)
08/13/04 10:48 AM
Did You Ever Have A Deram? new [re: pablopicasso]  

In reply to:

Added to this the lack of enthusiasm they had for Bowie when he was signed to them makes them a particularly loathsome company.



Which is a pity, really, considering they hold the rights to his best material.

Everybody Disco Dancing



blacktropic84
(grinning soul)
08/16/04 01:44 PM
Re: Did You Ever Have A Deram? new [re: poorsoul]  

i just gotta say, i am very suprised at how you all dislike Tonight and Never Let Me Down so much. i have been listening to them for the lat few days and i absolutley love them!

of course they will never compare to Aladdin or Station but still.

well, to each his own!



hangontoyourself
(electric tomato)
08/17/04 04:29 AM
Re: Did You Ever Have A Deram? new [re: blacktropic84]  

I really love Never Let Me Down, but Tonight has lost all novelty I'm afraid. Never Let Me Down is good BECAUSE it's so bad, it's funny. Tonight isn't that entertaining.

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SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
08/17/04 04:51 AM
Re: Did You Ever Have A Deram? new [re: hangontoyourself]  

Tonight does have it's moments... or, really, there are moments when Tonight sounds passable. I quite like NLMD. Of course it's no "Heroes", but isn't as bad as most people make it.

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BigFatDog
(wild eyed peoploid)
08/17/04 07:25 AM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: BigFatDog]  

In reply to:

I dont hate it, but I find Black Tie White Noise embarrasingly poor.


Actually I take it back, BTWN has some beautiful moments, although at some points I was sat there thinking "Why is he singing like that?!".

As for hours..., I still really like it, although it is a bit too much as an album, but if you dip in an out of it it's quite good.

Space Oddity is far too whiny and bland musically, the title track and Wild Eyed... being the only things gaining any sort of worthy recognition.




diamondogz74
(acolyte)
08/17/04 07:28 AM
Golden Deram years new [re: poorsoul]  

In reply to:

Which is a pity, really, considering they hold the rights to his best material.


How right you are, I always refer to these as Mr Bowies "Golden Years" these were the first songs that I'd ever heard of Bowies, they always remain with me, more than any others, these songs made a huge impact, on my young life. More than any other music I play, I always play these recordings the most

In reply to:

i just gotta say, i am very suprised at how you all dislike Tonight and Never Let Me Down so much. i have been listening to them for the lat few days and i absolutley love them!


Never be surprized on here, there are many different views on Mr Bowies recordings, that is what makes this place, so special

Like what you want you, dislike what you want to, there are NO rules. I like both those albums

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CharlieManson
(kook)
04/11/06 07:15 AM
Re: Golden Deram years new [re: diamondogz74]  

In reply to:

I always refer to these as Mr Bowies "Golden Years"



FUCKING HELL! Did you come up with that description by yourself?


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I'll break them gooks, I'll crack their heads
I'll slice them till they're running red
But now I've got the running gun blues


diamondogz74
(freecloud)
04/11/06 07:32 AM
Re: Golden Deram years new [re: CharlieManson]  

I've always considered Bowie's 60s recordings as his *Golden Years*, the beautiful orchestrations and lyrics of those times are golden to my ears anyway.

What Bowie albums do you dislike and why?


London Bye Ta-Ta...

kalamazoo
(wild eyed peoploid)
04/11/06 09:37 AM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: ExquisiteCorpse]  

In reply to:

Are there any Bowie albums that you absolutely hate?


And you wonder why he's not putting out a new album?



Monkeyboy
(band intro)
04/11/06 02:42 PM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: kalamazoo]  

In reply to:

And you wonder why he's not putting out a new album?


Why? Because 8 guys with 15 alter egos apiece on a nearly dead message board talk objectively about his material?

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EASTMAN
(grinning soul)
04/13/06 04:28 PM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: ZiggysUnderpants]  

S2S dull??? That's like calling the Mona Lisa "Dull". Masterpiece, I believe, is the correct adjective.
"Hours..." on the other hand, is indeed dull.



Monkeyboy
(band intro)
04/13/06 04:32 PM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: EASTMAN]  

In reply to:

S2S dull??? That's like calling the Mona Lisa "Dull".


Let me guess: Labyrinth changed your life?

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krettis
(cracked actor)
04/14/06 09:58 PM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: Monkeyboy]  

I almost hate the buddha of suburbia.

Let the cool Goddes rust away.


diamondogz74
(freecloud)
04/15/06 07:01 AM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: krettis]  

In reply to:

I almost hate the buddha of suburbia.


You've surprized me krettis how on earth can you not like this album? Do you have this album.


London Bye Ta-Ta...

krettis
(cracked actor)
04/15/06 07:33 AM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: diamondogz74]  

Yes I do have this album. Tin Machine I & II are more enjoyable to listen than 'buddha...' . I only have listened to it twice in my entirely life.

Let the cool Goddes rust away.


diamondogz74
(freecloud)
04/15/06 07:43 AM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: krettis]  

It's nice we all have different opinons, you obviously enjoy your Bowie loud, do you like any slow/ballad type Bowie songs/albums?


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krettis
(cracked actor)
04/15/06 08:14 AM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: diamondogz74]  

Black Tie White Noise, although I don't know what you consider slow.

Let the cool Goddes rust away.


diamondogz74
(freecloud)
04/15/06 08:31 AM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: krettis]  

In reply to:

Black Tie White Noise, although I don't know what you consider slow.


I would consider that a slow in places type Bowie album and one I truly love.

I don't actually hate any Bowie albums per se, there are some I never play, Let's Dance for one, as for TM? they are an acquired taste and not a taste I have acquired as yet!


London Bye Ta-Ta...

Dara
(acolyte)
04/15/06 09:35 AM
Slow burnin' Buddha new [re: krettis]  

I hated Buddha at first too. But since I'd bought it, and I was stuck in Paris with not much else to listen to at the time, I left it on in the background as I worked.

After about a week, I decided it wasn't that bad, just inoffensive. After another week or so, I decided it was one of Bowie's best ever albums, an opinion I still hold.

Not saying it'd be the same for you, we might have very different tastes (I don't like BTWN much), but I do think it's an album that needs more than a couple of listens. I almost threw Outside away based on the first couple of listens.

Slan libh,

Dara

"Irish as well, you see. Home of God himself" - Noel Gallagher on U2

russellmael
(crash course raver)
04/15/06 09:47 AM
Re: Slow burnin' Buddha new [re: Dara]  

You've brain washed yourself into likeing it.





th0mas
(acolyte)
04/15/06 11:49 AM
Way too long, way too long... new [re: russellmael]  

Every tune you listen long enough to will get stuck in your brain at some point - this is the brainwashing factor. But that's not necessarily the same as listening to some song, which on first listening does not seem to have a real tune and more and more reveals a well hidden idea. that is the hidden gem factor. normally I listen to an album and like some tracks the first time i hear them. that's the first-like-factor.
then the more i listen to the album, the more i find other songs which i like more while those i liked first lose a bit of their likeability or get boring. there are very few songs which have a first-like-factor and a hidden gem factor (though ashes to ashes comes to my mind). I am not sure whether it is possible to dislike Buddah while having had the patience to find the brilliance in Outside.

But to get on topic again - of course tonight, never let me down or the tin machine albums are easy to dislike. Still all of them contain some interesting tracks which are completly on bowie's standard. This fact makes me hate the album less but more the Bowie of its time, because those tracks show what could have been possible. Tin Machine II could have been Baby Universal and Goodbye Mr. Ed, Tin Machine much more like I Can't Read - noisy but structured instead of trying to get the sound of a pupil band - and - that is what hurts the most - tonight could have had more tracks on the level of Loving The Alien, which even worked as a single and is one of the best songs in his whole catalogue.

Nothing is more hateable than failing to match one's own standard.


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Edited by th0mas on 04/15/06 11:51 AM (server time).



Dara
(acolyte)
04/15/06 12:41 PM
Re: Slow burnin' Buddha new [re: russellmael]  

In reply to:

You've brain washed yourself into likeing it.


By that logic, I brainwashed myself into disliking Hours, liking Heathen more than I thought at first, liking Reality less than I thought at first.

I could go on but I'm sure you get the idea.

Slan leat,

Dara

"Irish as well, you see. Home of God himself" - Noel Gallagher on U2

russellmael
(crash course raver)
04/15/06 12:46 PM
Re: Slow burnin' Buddha new [re: Dara]  

that's cleared that up then.



fatwhiteduke
(wild eyed peoploid)
04/16/06 07:20 AM
Re: Slow burnin' Buddha new [re: russellmael]  

Despise:

Tin Machine (but I don't regard it as a proper Bowie album)

Don't listen to:

The Man Who Sold The World - the sprawling tracks just make me scream pretentious but I know many feel it is worthy

Pin-Ups - although Side Two is somewhat likeable - especially Where Have All The Good Times Gone

Tonight - but I do like Tumble and Twirl for some bizarre reason

Should listen to more:

Lodger - especially Side One

Earthling - and try to like The Last Thing You Should Do

hours... - without skipping the middle tracks



diamondogz74
(freecloud)
04/16/06 09:46 AM
Rust bucket new [re: fatwhiteduke]  

In reply to:

Tin Machine (but I don't regard it as a proper Bowie album)


Ditto!


London Bye Ta-Ta...

Monkeyboy
(band intro)
04/16/06 06:03 PM
Cum dumpster new [re: diamondogz74]  

In reply to:

Ditto!


Another great contribution, Dogz. Thank you.

Albums I hate:

Any compilation of covers, if it counts.
Live albums - his shows never translate well in any recorded form and I don't know why
Side B of Scary Monsters through Jump They Say on BTWN with the exception of Never Let Me Down (the song), Baby Universal, Blue Jean, Absolute Beginners, and China Girl (although I only like China Girl as an injoke for anyone who is familiar with my fondness for Asian chicks).

Other than that, I think each album is very worth owning if you can get a friend to burn you a copy of both his earliest and most recent album.

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b_mardIe
(wild eyed peoploid)
04/16/06 06:21 PM
Re: Cum dumpster new [re: Monkeyboy]  

and yours was so worthwhile wasnt it assehole

just fuck off

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Monkeyboy
(band intro)
04/16/06 06:55 PM
I'll count to three: one... new [re: b_mardIe]  

In reply to:

and yours was so worthwhile wasnt it assehole


It was at least a little more than saying "ditto" - something that could be implied by not saying anything at all.

In reply to:

just fuck off


Do you really want to start this with me again? We can, I just don't think it's necessary.

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diamondogz74
(freecloud)
04/17/06 08:01 AM
5.1 DVD-Audio new [re: Monkeyboy]  

In reply to:

Live albums - his shows never translate well in any recorded form and I don't know why


Let me assure you they do in 5.1 DVD-audio, try it sometime.




London Bye Ta-Ta...

b_mardIe
(wild eyed peoploid)
04/17/06 09:25 AM
Re: I'll count to three: one... new [re: Monkeyboy]  

Just keep your crap out of the Bowie sections and we will get on fine, if you don't, believe me, you will be sorry.

6 million screaming soul, maybe misery, maybe nothing at all. Lives that wouldn't have changed a thing. Never counted - never mattered - never be


krettis
(cracked actor)
04/17/06 09:27 AM
Re: I'll count to three: one... new [re: b_mardIe]  

Or else... what?

In every occasion I'm ready for a funeral.


KModerator
(thunder ocean)
04/17/06 11:42 AM
Re: I'll count to three: one... new [re: krettis]  

Or else Billy will indice him to post more in the Bowie sections.

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Monkeyboy
(band intro)
04/17/06 02:26 PM
Re: 5.1 DVD-Audio new [re: diamondogz74]  

Well, it's nice to know that 5.1 DVD Audio magically restores forgotten lyrics and removes any uncomfortable ad lib moments. Does he dance better on DVD too?

I've seen him live and it's night and day but I think there's a reason why there's so little live material released. As I said in a review on Netflix for the Reality DVD: "at best, his live recordings simply make you wish you could have been there to see what it was really like. At their worst, they make you glad you weren't." Some people just don't translate well in certain settings and across certain mediums.

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Monkeyboy
(band intro)
04/17/06 02:28 PM
...three. new [re: b_mardIe]  

In reply to:

believe me, you will be sorry.


I'm trembling. This could be fun.

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Pablo-Picasso
(acolyte)
04/17/06 02:33 PM
Re: 5.1 DVD-Audio new [re: Monkeyboy]  

Well it must be a matter of taste, because I have recordings of concerts from all eras and have always found them to be great listening experiences, I also have dvd's of most tours too. I probably play the live stuff as much as the studio albums.

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diamondogz74
(freecloud)
04/17/06 02:40 PM
Names please&why? new [re: Monkeyboy]  

In reply to:

Does he dance better on DVD too?


Depends on which dvd, really Monkeyboy

In reply to:

I've seen him live and it's night and day but I think there's a reason why there's so little live material released. As I said in a review on Netflix for the Reality DVD: "at best, his live recordings simply make you wish you could have been there to see what it was really like. At their worst, they make you glad you weren't." Some people just don't translate well in certain settings and across certain mediums.


I can see your point to a degree, but none the less, I like his live albums, be them official releases or boots, In my opinion some boots are better, In particular Wealth and Authority, this is after all only your opinion, btw, I'd love to read your Netflix review, could you link it please?

In reply to:

Some people just don't translate well in certain settings and across certain mediums.


Some examples please.





London Bye Ta-Ta...

th0mas
(acolyte)
04/17/06 06:14 PM
Re: 5.1 DVD-Audio new [re: Monkeyboy]  

5.1 can restore a lot of the live experience. the power of good sound is horribly underestimated. one great improvement is, that the audience is rather behind you and you have much clearer stereo speakers without losing the live mood. the sound itself is better than in the concert anyway since concert always are at the limit of the possible volume outside the sprectrum the speakers work correctly. this of course is as well a creative decision - like every DVD. so if you feel like crappy sound and getting spilled with beer, having some people with afros standing in front of you, it is unlikely that you will get that, since the director is probably going for a different kind of experience and also a dvd never will be enough to capture such moments. but any kind of sound problems can be solved better than in stereo - even without significantly altering the footage, simply by changing the importance of different sound events - mixing him in less loud in case he completly misses the right note, making an instrument more prominent if an other one did not have the right impact.


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Pablo-Picasso
(acolyte)
04/17/06 06:22 PM
Re: 5.1 DVD-Audio new [re: th0mas]  

He seems to be referring to the actual performance, rather than sound quality. I have always though of Bowie as someone who is great in front of an audience.

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Monkeyboy
(band intro)
04/17/06 07:33 PM
Re: 5.1 DVD-Audio new [re: Pablo-Picasso]  

In reply to:

I have always though of Bowie as someone who is great in front of an audience.


I agree - if you're in the audience. It's simply my opinion that his performance has never translated well in any medium that I've seen. It comes of as either half-assed or too hammy but the fact that it works in person is what ultimately matters. I'm not dissing him in any way here I just don't think that his live material is that great in recorded form. Maybe it's just me, I'm generally not a fan of live music anyways.

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Monkeyboy
(band intro)
04/17/06 07:34 PM
Re: Names please&why? new [re: diamondogz74]  

In reply to:

In reply to:

Some people just don't translate well in certain settings and across certain mediums.

Some examples please.


David Bowie's live recordings. See: all of them.

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Pablo-Picasso
(acolyte)
04/17/06 07:48 PM
Re: 5.1 DVD-Audio new [re: Monkeyboy]  

In reply to:

Maybe it's just me, I'm generally not a fan of live music anyways.


Yeah, I can understand that, I like it myself, but have known people who think of it as being inferior.
If you ever have the chance, try and see his concert from Loreley Germany in 1996, one of the best ever.

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bowiefanpeter
(the voyeur)
04/17/06 08:47 PM
Re: 5.1 DVD-Audio new [re: Pablo-Picasso]  

<<doesn't translate>>

Does this include concert bootlegs? Whether good fidelity or bad.

bfp



Monkeyboy
(band intro)
04/17/06 09:34 PM
Re: 5.1 DVD-Audio new [re: bowiefanpeter]  

Having been somewhat forced to re-evaluate my anti-live album stance, it has occured to me that if the live version of a song is significantly different than the studio version (on purpose), I do tend to enjoy it. Like the S2S Tour version of Queen Bitch, which I think is far superior to the original. I guess what I should really be saying is that I don't like to hear stuff that sounds almost exactly like something I've heard somewhere else.

This might be a backpedal, I don't know. I think it simply shows that I'm able to re-think past statements. Looking at the live albums I own of Daddy's as well as other people's, the key seems to be that the more it intends to try to sound like the original the less I like it and vice-versa. This is universally the case as far as I can tell.

And if anyone's wondering, one-off live songs like "My Death" do nothing for me. I don't usually listen to them. This also probably explains why I enjoy the live resurrections of old favorites that Daddy was eager to twist into the sound of Outside and Earthling. It's the failed musician in me, I think.

I never said that it made any sense, I'm just saying what my tastes are. I'm not so sure I understand it, myself.

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MaxwellS
(grinning soul)
04/17/06 10:52 PM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: ExquisiteCorpse]  

I don't /hate/ any of 'em. At the risk of raising the heckles of ... nearly everybody here, I haven't listened to ; Tonight, NLMD, Tin Machine I, Outside, Heathen. And yes, I am a Bowie fan.

So, from my low vantage point lemme say that I can't believe any true fan would hate Space Oddity - i love it for its lyricism ( Cygnet Committee and others ) and there are some damned good tunes. He almost does Dylan better than Dylan did at the time.

It's the start of six ( including PinUps ) albums which collectively were in the British charts for umpteen weeks.

And sure, Let's Dance has low-points, but how can you /hate/ Modern Love, Let's Dance, China Girl? Yeah, Iggy did the first better, but there you go.

Ok, my two cents has run out.

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russellmael
(crash course raver)
04/18/06 04:53 AM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: MaxwellS]  

What's that bit about 6 albums being in the chart?



Monkeyboy
(band intro)
04/18/06 05:04 AM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: MaxwellS]  

So Maxwell, am I correct to assume that it is your contention that anyone who disagrees with charts and/or your opinion on music is either "not a true fan" or just wrong? Because you make it sound that way.

Just so you know.

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fatwhiteduke
(wild eyed peoploid)
04/18/06 05:43 AM
Re: 5.1 DVD-Audio new [re: Monkeyboy]  

I think the whole live album recording thing is quite embarrassing sometimes.

It's just the same old stuff sung without the polishing of a studio and regurgitated to make a few pennies.

Having said that, Stage will always be my favourite live album of Bowie. Perhaps because the visuals during the actual tour weren't there as they were for Diamond Dogs and Ziggy or indeed the 80s shows and Glass Spider even.

That's why I think David Live is awful. There was interaction and interplay on-stage. You don't get the skull-chat of Cracked Actor or the boxing ring of Panic In Detroit or the cherry picker of Space Oddity (for the latter we don't get it at all, in fact). You just hear the croaky-cokey voice of David with no sense of situation at all.

Having heard very few StationToStation tour recordings, and the ones I have heard were adequate, I think Stage takes the trophy (and I've said this on here before) because of its sheer professional recording technique.

I've heard live gigs from Robbie Williams, The Cure, Queen, Iron Maiden and suchlike and it all lacks the visuals - that's 50% (at least) of why you go to concerts anyway, surely?

Bowie has always been a visual recording artist and that's why his non-studio album work doesn't do itself justice, in the main.

Perhaps it serves to remind those who were there what it was like to be there - certainly that can be said of The Motion Picture soundtrack.

It's like listening to radio reportage of the shooting of JFK and then watching it overdubbed onto the Zapruder film. The difference is stark.



th0mas
(acolyte)
04/18/06 05:45 AM
Re: 5.1 DVD-Audio new [re: Monkeyboy]  

In reply to:

I'm generally not a fan of live music anyways.


Perhaps one problem might be that Bowie's studio album already have some mood of imperfection so a live version does not deliver much change when the only difference is that is played live. If you listen to Sting's performances there is already a huge difference since his concerts don't suffer from the same over-perfection as the albums so there is a completly different drive in them. Bowie - especially the reality tracks - in the worst case might deliver just a worse album version. Still I think a good mixing and a well done camera work makes a huge difference in getting across the "live" feeling and therefore it is also a matter of 5.1 or not 5.1.



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Monkeyboy
(band intro)
04/18/06 05:49 AM
Re: 5.1 DVD-Audio new [re: th0mas]  

In reply to:

therefore it is also a matter of 5.1 or not 5.1


Could be. I wouldn't know, my equipment is rather shitty.

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russellmael
(crash course raver)
04/18/06 05:57 AM
Re: 5.1 DVD-Audio new [re: Monkeyboy]  

Live albums are quite worthy... electric, exciting... use your imagination. Contractual obligations maybe, but when done right can be great testiments to the artist.





diamondogz74
(freecloud)
04/18/06 06:56 AM
Netflix review. new [re: Monkeyboy]  

In reply to:

As I said in a review on Netflix for the Reality DVD:


Can you provide us with your review please?


London Bye Ta-Ta...

Dara
(acolyte)
04/18/06 09:43 AM
Mummy tapes new [re: Monkeyboy]  

In reply to:

Maybe it's just me, I'm generally not a fan of live music anyways.



It's me too.

Regardless of how one feels about live music, and I accept there are certain attractions (they're just not attractive to me is all), the fact is that live recordings are recordings but they are not live. They lose all the advantages of being live, but worse, convention dictates that the advantages of recording such as the ability to mix different takes, or clean things up in the studio, are not acceptable. So you end up with a half-assed beast that is neither one thing nor the other.

Live recordings is really a misnomer when you think about it. They're about as live as a mummy is.

Medium is everything here. Bowie is a very theatrical performer, and this is a huge part of his charisma and attraction in person, and theatre can be a great experience, but there are few things shitter on TV than a filmed play. The same problem applies: you've lost the intimacy and immediacy, and you're not allowed to use the many things that make film and TV great. Same thing with watching sport on TV: it really only works if it's live rather than a repeat or on a delay. Except boxing, because violence always work on TV.

Slan libh,

Dara

"Irish as well, you see. Home of God himself" - Noel Gallagher on U2

ghostlove
(crash course raver)
04/18/06 01:12 PM
hallo, daraboy [re: Dara]  

Oh, how I disagree with you. While having theatrics being a part of some songs gives it more appeal, it isn't the case with a lot that he has done, especially the latter part of his career. I even posted about this before. More recently, listen to the reaction from the fans as Bowie steps up to do 'Life on Mars' from the Fashion Rocks show. By that standard, the fan reaction is something a live version lacks and even gives you the thrill of hysteria you can't get from studio versions. The energy feeds his performance as you can see from the fabulous Arcade Fire collaboration he did at the same show.

To go further in time, I think his Saturday Night Live version of 'Man Who Sold the World' with Klaus Nomi is a great representation at what you can do with a one-off live performance. Though the theatrics of that one is great in its own right, if you were to hear it without the visual, you will still be captured by a breathtaking performance.

So, yeah, I disagree. Anyway, don't you think 'Hallo, Spaceboy' is a testament to a better live version than studio?




Monkeyboy
(band intro)
04/18/06 04:47 PM
Re: Netflix review. new [re: diamondogz74]  

In reply to:

Can you provide us with your review please?


No. Fuck you.

Why?

BWW uses the word "nigger" liberally

diamondogz74
(freecloud)
04/19/06 08:13 AM
Re: Netflix review. new [re: Monkeyboy]  

In reply to:

Why?


Because I'm very interested in reading it, why are you so paranoid?


London Bye Ta-Ta...

Dara
(acolyte)
04/19/06 08:33 AM
Ear wax will cover you new [re: ghostlove]  

In reply to:

Anyway, don't you think 'Hallo, Spaceboy' is a testament to a better live version than studio?



I'm afraid not. Great live, but I never heard a live recording of it I prefer listening to than the studio version.

Slan leat,

Dara

"Oisin, it's time to go the bed. We're all going"
"I'm not tired. I'm impressive!"


Monkeyboy
(band intro)
04/19/06 08:33 AM
Re: Netflix review. new [re: diamondogz74]  

I've given you the main points of it. Fuck off.

BWW uses the word "nigger" liberally

diamondogz74
(freecloud)
04/19/06 09:39 AM
Re: Netflix review. new [re: Monkeyboy]  

In that case, I'll find it for myself


London Bye Ta-Ta...

egrorian
(grinning soul)
04/19/06 04:41 PM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: Zella]  

"I'm surprised not more people listed Never Let Me Down. That was a pathetic album. I refused to ever purchase it. It was the only time since 1972 that I was embarassed to be a Bowie fan. Tonight was also disapointing. I think db was going through some serious creative blockage."

Actually, back in 1987 I and my Bowie fan friends regarded NLMD as a return to form! I recall hearing Beat of Your Drum on the radio prior the the album's release and thinking "this is better!", Time Will Crawl was just great and even Bowie's image was a welcome move away from his "all so safe" look of then recent times.

Funny how we overlooked a number of decidely mediocre (at best!) tracks on side 2 but, even today, I still enjoy most of side one (Day In Day Out least). With the benefit of hindsight it can hardly be called a great album but overall I still don't consider it the abomination that some fans and critics do.





Pablo-Picasso
(acolyte)
04/19/06 04:48 PM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: egrorian]  

Agree with you 100% there, I remember the optimism when that record came out too.

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Monkeyboy
(band intro)
04/19/06 07:56 PM
Re: Netflix review. new [re: diamondogz74]  

In reply to:

In that case, I'll find it for myself


There's no need. I've told you what it basically said. How far up everyone's asses do you need to be before it's enough for you?

BWW uses the word "nigger" liberally

MaxwellS
(grinning soul)
04/21/06 10:09 PM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: russellmael]  

was time, way back when, when six of Bowie's albums were in the British charts. Space Oddity, MWSTW, Hunky Dory, Ziggy, Aladdin Sane, Pin Ups

all of us are in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars

russellmael
(crash course raver)
04/22/06 04:51 AM
Re: Hateable Bowie albums? new [re: MaxwellS]  

"It's the start of six ( including PinUps ) albums which collectively were in the British charts for umpteen weeks."

You made it sound like Space Oddity was the first album to chart.





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