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sonofsilence
(two inch thoughts)
08/08/06 06:46 AM
Bowie the Recycler  

Seems as though he's always recycled himself. probably the only time he appears to have something new is with the contributions of others. Then he will recycle that.

Not that this is a bad thing. I guess many artists work on that process.

It's like he has a a pallet of colours that he likes to dabble with. eg.

BTWN was a little bit of Let's Dance with a touch of YA and a pinch of Tin Machine.

Outside was Scary Monsters mixed with Diamond Dogs and processed through Eno.

Hours...well thats recycled from all over thr place.

in the end he recycles the recycled. oh the list goes on. Even the recycling of musicians. Slick appears up everynow and then as does the Borneo horns.

Question is what will he recycle next?

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anisette
(acolyte)
08/08/06 06:51 AM
The Obvious new [re: sonofsilence]  

Probably his newspapers, some plastic Evian bottles and some empty tuna cans.

"And generally speaking, I’m not a guy who is well-disposed towards mullets."
-- D. F.


sonofsilence
(two inch thoughts)
08/08/06 06:52 AM
Re: The Obvious new [re: anisette]  

there's always one eh?

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anisette
(acolyte)
08/08/06 06:54 AM
Re: The Obvious new [re: sonofsilence]  

you had to know it was coming. right?

"And generally speaking, I’m not a guy who is well-disposed towards mullets."
-- D. F.


sonofsilence
(two inch thoughts)
08/08/06 06:56 AM
Re: The Obvious new [re: anisette]  

yep - and coming from you


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diamondogz74
(freecloud)
08/08/06 08:38 AM
Re: Bowie the Recycler new [re: sonofsilence]  

In reply to:

Question is what will he recycle next?


Who knows? but I'm hoping it will be his 1960's material, yes I know there is Toy all finished...artwork et al, It sits on a bloody shelf gathering dust

So I'll go along with 1960's Bowie recycled, please.


London Bye Ta-Ta...

sonofsilence
(two inch thoughts)
08/08/06 09:32 AM
Re: Bowie the Recycler new [re: diamondogz74]  

I like what I heard of Toy. If he is going to release it then he might have to put a little more effort again as half of its been released already.

He seems to recycle sometimes just a period but into one song. Like No One Calls, a great track very reminiscent of Low and maybe even Earthling.

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diamondogz74
(freecloud)
08/08/06 09:48 AM
Re: Bowie the Recycler new [re: sonofsilence]  

In reply to:

I like what I heard of Toy. If he is going to release it then he might have to put a little more effort again as half of its been released already.


We can but hope it gets released, as for people saying... as half of its been released already, true to a point, but I've heard on Ruud's site 30 second clips of some of the original versions, they do sound quite different from the Heathen versions, I'd link you the page, only I've forgotten it now



London Bye Ta-Ta...

Pablo-Picasso
(acolyte)
08/08/06 09:59 AM
Re: Bowie the Recycler new [re: diamondogz74]  

Surely that is in your bookmarks?
Everyone should have this place bookmarked.




KModerator
(thunder ocean)
08/08/06 10:07 AM
Too bad being useless ain't an Olympic sport new [re: diamondogz74]  

Here.

Also, only Afraid and Slip Away have different Heathen versions, the rest are the same, so your argument does not nescessarily hold water. That said, there a total of 14 (15 if you count Pictures of Lily, recorded in the same sessions) tracks from Toy and only four of them have been officially released as those versions... and apart from Conversation Piece, none of them are exactly easy to find, at least if you want them in decend sound quality.

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diamondogz74
(freecloud)
08/08/06 10:24 AM
Re: Too bad being useless ain't an Olympic sport new [re: K]  


In reply to:


Also, only Afraid and Slip Away have different Heathen versions


I didn't know that, but the rest of your post is proof positive this album should be released.


In reply to:

Surely that is in your bookmarks?


I did, but couldn' find it, I've changed the title of it now to suit me, thanks.


London Bye Ta-Ta...

th0mas
(acolyte)
08/08/06 10:28 AM
Re: Bowie the Recycler new [re: sonofsilence]  

In reply to:

Outside was Scary Monsters mixed with Diamond Dogs and processed through Eno.


While BTWN and Let's Dance at least have the producer in common and might therefore have at least some resemblence, I don't have the slightest idea what Scary Monsters and Outside could have in common. Rather rough background singers on We'll Prick You?


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sonofsilence
(two inch thoughts)
08/08/06 10:43 AM
Re: Bowie the Recycler new [re: th0mas]  

actually its preobably more like Lodger than Scary Monsters. It's full of a lot of scetches that don't relate to much with eachother. except for the macabre side which is where Diamond Dogs come into it.

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th0mas
(acolyte)
08/08/06 12:24 PM
Re: Bowie the Recycler new [re: sonofsilence]  

Are you comparing the sonic concepts or the concepts concerning the content? While the content has indeed something with lodger in common - there is a loose concept which rather puts the existing songs together than having been the concept for creating those songs - the sonic concept of outside is very strong. there is no song which could have been on different album (apart from strangers when we meet, which in fact was on buddah, but does not fit as good as it does on outside) and the instrumentation (Reeve's guitar wankery and Mike's piano parts as well as the pre-jungle beats already heading into earthling direction) binds the tracks very tight together. The use of layers and effects is in fact as unique as it is on earthling or hours.

I don't think Bowie is able to recycle anything on such a large scales. he can take riffs or other single ideas and use them over and over again, rather quoting himself than recycling. But I can't see a single album which is going somewhere, where he already was before. Perhaps as a concept album Toys would have been. But thank God some boring marketing person taught Bowie an artistic lesson in that case.


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sonofsilence
(two inch thoughts)
08/08/06 12:57 PM
Re: Bowie the Recycler new [re: th0mas]  

Maybe I have forgotten how Bowie used to be but he certainly does recycle now. Even so he did alot of recycle songs which has been recently discussed and he also tends to use alot of poses and and vocal styles again and again even in the 70's. but i guess there are only so many poses and vocal styles teh man can do.

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syndrome
(kook)
08/08/06 01:15 PM
Re: Bowie the Recycler new [re: sonofsilence]  

He should sing like Dolly Parton on the next album.



KModerator
(thunder ocean)
08/08/06 01:19 PM
Re: Too bad being useless ain't an Olympic sport new [re: diamondogz74]  

In reply to:

I didn't know that, but the rest of your post is proof positive this album should be released.


I was not disagreeing with your view but with your reasoning, as it was based on insufficient data.

"Yeah, but you're so self-conscious you even hide your big nose with your hand in avatars, so you would say that."
- Strawman on physical appearances

b_mardle
(crash course raver)
08/08/06 01:27 PM
Re: Bowie the Recycler new [re: sonofsilence]  

In reply to:

BTWN was a little bit of Let's Dance with a touch of YA and a pinch of Tin Machine.


Though the YA and LD part is quite obvious, but i'd like to know where did you get 'a pinch of tin machine' from?

But your right, he does recycle his previous stuff a bit, not in a larger scale like one user just pointed out, but in a much smaller scale.
Albums like buddha of suburbia and reality are prime examples. The recycling in buddha is much talked about (so i don't have to go there), and reality is almost like a fruit-coctail containing songs from different musical styles.
There's a slight lodger all over the album (with little synth-sounds attached here and there), some tonight (especially blue jean) in the keyboarding of she'll drive.., reality is like straight out of a tin machine session (i like), loneliest guy and 7 line poem are similar, minimalistic piano-driven songs too (the low-mixed guitar in the loneliest guy is really cool).
That said though, they might be highly similar, i don't think he was intentionally recycling this particilar song...


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th0mas
(acolyte)
08/08/06 02:07 PM
Re: Bowie the Recycler new [re: sonofsilence]  

In reply to:

but i guess there are only so many poses and vocal styles teh man can do.


perhaps you should give some definition for "recycling". because if everything which sounds typically bowie is automatic recycled, aladdin sane would already be a recycle of ziggy stardust and hunky dory could be found on the previous two albums as well as an diamond dogs.

and especially concerning the vocal style there is nothing, completly nothing which remotly sounds like outside in his catalog.


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sonofsilence
(two inch thoughts)
08/08/06 03:39 PM
Re: Bowie the Recycler new [re: th0mas]  

In reply to:

Though the YA and LD part is quite obvious, but i'd like to know where did you get 'a pinch of tin machine' from?


I was thinking of You've Been Around. co-written with Reeves the right hand tin man himself.

infact BTWN is full of bites of the past. I Feel Free a song he used to cover in his ziggy years.

Scary Monsters had its fair share of re-cycling -
Scream like a Baby/I am a Laser
It's No Game/Tired of my Life.
Ashes to Ashes/Space Oddity (well major tom atleast).


In reply to:

and especially concerning the vocal style there is nothing, completly nothing which remotly sounds like outside in his catalog.


the vocal style on the vocal track reminds me of something he has previous done. I can't put my finger on it. But Never Been to Oxford Town reminds me of Up the Hill Backwards. always has, maybe I'm alone on that.

actually the tiitle track was a a TM song so another recycle.

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b_mardle
(crash course raver)
08/08/06 04:51 PM
Re: Bowie the Recycler new [re: sonofsilence]  

In reply to:

actually the tiitle track was a a TM song so another recycle.


WHHAAaaaaaaaaaat?? Outside a tm song? Joking right, i've never ever heard of this!

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sonofsilence
(two inch thoughts)
08/08/06 04:56 PM
Re: Bowie the Recycler new [re: b_mardle]  

yep it was originally called Now. Was only played live. it sounded alot like the 88 version of Look Back in Anger mixed with the chorus of the title track the we all know from Outside

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Pablo-Picasso
(acolyte)
08/08/06 04:56 PM
Re: Bowie the Recycler new [re: b_mardle]  

"Now (Bowie/Armstrong): this Tin Machine adaptation of the 1988 version of 'Look Back In Anger' was released on the Live Machination (Gotham 34620) 2LP and Now (TM 721/722) 2CD. 'Now' itself further developed into 'Outside' on the album with the same name."


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b_mardle
(crash course raver)
08/08/06 05:04 PM
Re: Bowie the Recycler new [re: Pablo-Picasso]  

Man, you live and you learn

In reply to:

this Tin Machine adaptation of the 1988 version of 'Look Back In Anger'


So basically, 'look back in anger' has, in time, developed into outside? Wow, that is one transformation, 2 totally different bowie-classics!

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KModerator
(thunder ocean)
08/08/06 05:18 PM
Look Back Outside new [re: b_mardle]  

I've always thought the "Outside is developed from Look Back In Anger" -theory is rather an exaggeration. Certainly the history of one track is connected to the other, but musically they're fruits of a different tree. The 1989 performance of Now uses the intro from the 1988 version of Look Back In Anger*, but it's very clearly a different piece, the change from the intro into Now proper stands out like a sore thumb. Additionally the intro of the 1988 LBIA sounds really nothing at all like the original version of that song. So basically the only real connection is that the intro of a remake of one piece was used, rather unsuccessfully, as an intro to an early version of the other piece.

* = Which is interesting, for a band that wasn't supposed to play Bowie's solo stuff.

"Yeah, but you're so self-conscious you even hide your big nose with your hand in avatars, so you would say that."
- Strawman on physical appearances

Edited by K on 08/08/06 05:19 PM (server time).



ghostlove
(crash course raver)
08/09/06 07:58 AM
Re: Look Back Outside new [re: K]  

I always thought of Earthling connected to Lodger. There are a lot of themes related to travel and his lyrics are a return to the unconventional. The energetic guitar stylings are reminicent of Belew, too.

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sonofsilence
(two inch thoughts)
08/09/06 08:03 AM
Re: Look Back Outside new [re: ghostlove]  

I guess African Night Flight would be a good example of early drum and bass.....and a rap to boot

Has anyone got a link to Now for those who haevnt heard it?

Yes Outside has a strange hybrid.

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2shy
(wild eyed peoploid)
08/16/06 08:50 PM
Re: Look Back Outside new [re: sonofsilence]  

i think that atmosphere-wise, outside sounds a bit like the labyrinth soundtrack (even though 1/2 was written by trevor jones). they both have that going-into-another-world, fantasy-ish type feel, only outside is just a lot darker.

just noticed that the song Queen of all the Tarts from Reality sounds remarkably similar to the song Lucy Can't Dance from BTWN.

(oh, btw i'm back on this forum after like a 3-4 year absence. :-) hi everyone)

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