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Emil
(acolyte)
03/10/07 12:37 PM
Re: How does Bowie rate Young Americans? new [re: K]  

and how is it relevant to Young Americans?

It's LABRYNTH, idiot!

bowiefanpeter
(the voyeur)
03/10/07 12:54 PM
Re: How does Bowie rate Young Americans? new [re: Emil]  

Aside from songs on hits comps, why are YA, T, NLMD not revisited on subsequent tours when other deep album cuts are played?



BigFatDog
(electric tomato)
03/10/07 09:07 PM
Re: How does Bowie rate Young Americans? new [re: bowiefanpeter]  

In reply to:

Aside from songs on hits comps, why are YA, T, NLMD not revisited on subsequent tours when other deep album cuts are played?


The thing with YA is that Bowie's voice simply can't hit the same notes as in '74, and the gospel accompaniment would seem a bit incongruous now, even more so than it did at the time. Nevertheless, he could rework them if he really wanted to (and I wouldn't be surprised if he considered or even rehearsed it). T and NLMD are considered by Bowie to be his nadir, he won't resurrect them in any form ever. However, whether or not we consider them so is different.

If you look at the stats for the Reality tour you'll see that very little of the set list has to do with Bowie's personal preference (note: Lodger, Heroes and STS only got a song from each, whereas LD had three and T had two)

Reality: 11
Heathen: 7
Non album tracks, singles or covers: 7
Low: 5
Hunky Dory: 5
Ziggy : 5
Let's Dance: 3
Man Who Sold The World: 2
Scary Monsters: 2
Outside: 2
Earthling: 2
Tonight: 2
A Sane: 2
Diamond Dogs: 2
Young Americans: 1
Lodger: 1
Heroes: 1
Station To Station: 1

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BTW, I count 4 TM songs performed at "Bowie" concerts 95-99: Baby Universal, I Can't Read, Shopping for Girls and the possibly counted TM live only "Now" re-appearing as "Outside"


I suppose we could squeeze 'I Feel Free' in there too.

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What was the Bowie quote regarding spending more time chasing chicks than in the studio recording with David Richards?


"I was letting the guys arrange it, and I'd come in and do a vocal, and then I'd bugger off and pick up some bird."

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[ziggifried]While Tonight and NLMD had potentially fine songs that were done in by overproduction, the TM songs were largely flawed from the outset.


As far as a musician like Bowie is concerned, the minute you enter the studio with Iggy Pop's backing band everything's bound to be largely flawed.



KModerator
(thunder ocean)
03/11/07 07:28 AM
Re: How does Bowie rate Young Americans? new [re: BigFatDog]  

In reply to:

T and NLMD are considered by Bowie to be his nadir, he won't resurrect them in any form ever.


Yet he did ressurrect (or in the first case, murder) Loving the Alien and Blue Jean during the last tour. And as someone here noted in the past, if a hip new band covered Time Will Crawl or something else off NLMD, Bowie would probably be quick in reversing his opinion about the song (if not the whole album).

And then for Bowie's preference, how much do we actually know about his liking or not liking stuff from his back catalogue, with all the numerous conflicting statements?

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I suppose we could squeeze 'I Feel Free' in there too.


Or maybe not. Outside/Now is in my opinion already pushing the boundary.

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"I was letting the guys arrange it, and I'd come in and do a vocal, and then I'd bugger off and pick up some bird."


I thought that was Tonight, not NLMD.

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- Marjatta Snellman, professor of clinical veterinary medicine

BigFatDog
(electric tomato)
03/11/07 08:13 AM
Re: How does Bowie rate Young Americans? new [re: K]  

In reply to:

And then for Bowie's preference, how much do we actually know about his liking or not liking stuff from his back catalogue, with all the numerous conflicting statements?


Oh, come on, I think we can make a half-educated guess that he prefers Scary Monsters and Lodger to Let's Dance and Never Let Me Down, no?

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Or maybe not. Outside/Now is in my opinion already pushing the boundary.


Fair enough, I suppose, it's just opinions. Likewise, I would say Shadow Man is a 70's song, even though it was fully completed in 2002.

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I thought that was Tonight, not NLMD.


Nope.



bowiefanpeter
(the voyeur)
03/11/07 12:13 PM
Re: How does Bowie rate Young Americans? new [re: BigFatDog]  

I'm surprised you think Bowie's 1975 studio vocals couldn't be done now. Bowie has performed 5/6ths of STS in 2000 and was doing TVC15 in the 80's

Bowie could easily do a some sort of duet arrangement with GAD, like the 2000 Golden Years.

What's interesing is that hardcore Bowie fans go absolutely apeshit if an Obscure Bowie tracks is performed. Anyone here remember the reactions to Polyphonic comping the "Sun Machine...." chorus?

Speaking of 1980's cover versions, I really like the Icehouse version of LTA from the mid 80's. I'm actually surprised by the lack of recent Bowie covers - especially since the mid-80's is in resurgence at the moment(Killers etc..).

Also, TM played a Pixies cover - which Bowie continued to do in 2002/3/4. TM also played "Waiting for the Man" once in 1991 which was also in the 1997 setlist.

Has I Feel Free ever been played live by Bowie in the past 20 years? I've only heard the Ziggy era version.

bfp





KModerator
(thunder ocean)
03/12/07 05:19 AM
Re: How does Bowie rate Young Americans? new [re: bowiefanpeter]  

In reply to:

I'm surprised you think Bowie's 1975 studio vocals couldn't be done now. Bowie has performed 5/6ths of STS in 2000


Yeah, but was it performed in the same key? And STS perhaps isn't amongst the most difficult songs from that era vocalswise.

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TM also played "Waiting for the Man" once in 1991 which was also in the 1997 setlist.


Yeah, but Bowie had been playing the track live sporadically since 1969, so in my opinion you can't really count it. Even if it was played by Tin Machine and not by solo Bowie for the last time before 1997 that still doesn't make it a Tin Machine track.

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Has I Feel Free ever been played live by Bowie in the past 20 years? I've only heard the Ziggy era version.


No but a studio version was recorded in 1980, though left incomplete. Like Waiting For The Man, I'd consider it more of a golden oldie that Bowie has been "carrying" with him though-out most of his career rather than a Tin Machine -specific track.

"I do not remember seeing a too narrow trachea on a cat, but I'm sure they can be bred to have them."
- Marjatta Snellman, professor of clinical veterinary medicine

MaxwellS
(grinning soul)
03/12/07 07:13 AM
Re: important album new [re: Emil]  

Exactly, Emil. Win, Somebody Up There, Fascination, are great songs. And the album showed the way for many white soul-sters. It was way ahead of its time.

all of us are in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars

MaxwellS
(grinning soul)
03/12/07 07:25 AM
Re: How does Bowie rate Young Americans? new [re: bowiefanpeter]  

i'm with you there. YA is more of a vocal feat than STS ( imho ) but I can't believe he couldn't recreate it if he wanted to.

all of us are in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars

BigFatDog
(electric tomato)
03/12/07 10:27 AM
Re: How does Bowie rate Young Americans? new [re: MaxwellS]  

All I would say is, if you look at the more outré Bowie songs of the last 15 years he adopts a bass/baritone singing style (Disco King, and most of the Heathen numbers to name just a few). In 1974 he didn't have that low range, as is evident in the tweaking at the beginning of Sweet Thing, and I doubt he has the higher range now. That's not a criticism, just a fact (?).




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