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bowiefanpeter
(the voyeur)
03/12/07 11:04 AM
Re: How does Bowie rate Young Americans? new [re: BigFatDog]  

Slow Burn had some high vocal parts. As did Better Future.

I am aware that both songs had short lifespans in the 2002 setlists.

Slip Away has some high notes(Twinkle, twinkle...)



ghostlove
(cracked actor)
03/12/07 12:07 PM
Re: How does Bowie rate Young Americans? new [re: bowiefanpeter]  

I wouldn't call the "Twinkle Twinkle.." part in 'Slip Away' very high. I think the last really high singing of his can be found in songs on Scary Monsters.



Forgotten_Boy
(kook)
03/13/07 03:28 AM
Re: How does Bowie rate Young Americans? new [re: ghostlove]  

In reply to:

"I was letting the guys arrange it, and I'd come in and do a vocal, and then I'd bugger off and pick up some bird."



Peter Frampton, in Dave Thompson's book "Hallo Spaceboy" begs to differ. According to Frampton, Bowie demoed most of the songs extensively and played Frampton them proudly at the beginning of the sessions. And Bowie must of being around sometime during the mixing/mastering stage because wasn't Never Let Me Down composed/added at the last second?

In reply to:

I wouldn't call the "Twinkle Twinkle.." part in 'Slip Away' very high. I think the last really high singing of his can be found in songs on Scary Monsters


Bowie's Lennonesque delivery on Never Let Me Down is in my mind the last of Bowie's top end, in vocal terms. Maybe Untitled No. 1 on Buddha but I think that's doctored.

Turn off the television - put on romantic vinyl

KModerator
(thunder ocean)
03/13/07 06:12 AM
Re: How does Bowie rate Young Americans? new [re: Forgotten_Boy]  

In "Strange Fascination", Alomar said about the NLMD recording sessions that "After I had finished with my rhythm section he would go in, throw in the wrench, and put guitars all over everything." So clearly Bowie didn't leave everything for the band to do with that album.

Although, in the same quote Alomar does give the impression that Bowie wasn't involved with the songs from the start. The the songs started out under Alomars direction and Bowie only came in once the rhythm section had done their job... but that definately conflicts what Frampton said.

"I do not remember seeing a too narrow trachea on a cat, but I'm sure they can be bred to have them."
- Marjatta Snellman, professor of clinical veterinary medicine

BigFatDog
(electric tomato)
03/13/07 09:07 AM
Re: How does Bowie rate Young Americans? new [re: bowiefanpeter]  

In reply to:

Bowie could easily do a some sort of duet arrangement with GAD, like the 2000 Golden Years.


Sorry, just going back to an old point.

If he goes back into the studio again do you reckon it'll be with the same band? Personally I'm not sure. He's got his rough'n'ready album out of the way, maybe something a little more textured is to come.

I know there's usually a signifyer on the previous album as to the direction of the proceeding one, and I reckon it's probably either TLG or BMTDK, both of which would be fine by me.

Maybe an album of covers? I know his record deal is relaxed and very easy-going, but surely they'll want something to tide them over?



Adam
(cricket menace)
03/13/07 09:39 AM
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Re: How does Bowie rate Young Americans? new [re: BigFatDog]  

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I know his record deal is relaxed and very easy-going, but surely they'll want something to tide them over?


This seems as good a time as any to post the updated graph of waiting times between albums



Incidentally, this month marks the 3.5 year (42 month) mark......a very considerable wait given that the average wait is 24 months post Scary Monsters.
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ADAM VS BOWIE MASH UP PROJECT - | - BOWIE DOWNUNDER

KModerator
(thunder ocean)
03/13/07 12:25 PM
Again, this has little relation to Young Emilicans new [re: Adam]  

Looking at the graph (which is still brilliant, by the way), it would seem that the longer the wait, the bigger the leap in style (taking into account the fact that the frequency of new albums has generally decreared since the 70's. Back then two years between albums was a long wait, for any artist, while today it's the norm). There is a pretty nice progression in style from Hunky Dory up until "Heroes", but then comes the long break between "Heroes" and Lodger, and a similarly large leap in style. With Scary Monsters and Let's Dance there's again a a long wait and a big change (and with the case of those album I don't think there's a clear precursor song in the former). The same thing again holds true with Tonight/NLMD, Earthling/Hours and (although perhaps a little less strongly) with Hours/Heathen. With this in mind I'd say that the next album will be unlike anything found on Reality (including BMTDK).

"I do not remember seeing a too narrow trachea on a cat, but I'm sure they can be bred to have them."
- Marjatta Snellman, professor of clinical veterinary medicine

BigFatDog
(electric tomato)
03/13/07 12:55 PM
Re: Again, this has little relation to Young Emilicans new [re: K]  

There was a very prominent change in style between PU and DD, between DD and YA, between YA and STS and STS to Low, though.

I would say that the longer the gap, the more likely Bowie changes musicians and producers. Scott stuck around for a while whilst the albums were fast and furious, as did Visconti, but Bowie had numerous producers throughout the '80s and '90s when the pace dropped a bit.


KModerator
(thunder ocean)
03/13/07 01:27 PM
Re: Again, this has little relation to Young Emili new [re: BigFatDog]  

I wouldn't agree on most of those. I admit to the style gap between PinUps and DD, but I think the proper comparison would be AS and DD as PinUps was late 60's tunes rerecorded quite faithfully to the originals. In my opinion there is a pretty clear progression from AS to DD, but DD also shows fuck and soul influences, especially on side 2, which were brought to fore on YA. A lot of the soul/funk stylings were carried over to STS (Golden Years in particular, but to a lesser degree on other tracks). Between STS and Low the change was more notable but not as huge as in the other cases I highlighted. Plus the wait between those two albums was actually the longest gap between two Bowie albums since TMWSTW/Hunky Dory.

If you listen to the albums from Hunky Dory up until "Heroes" in a row (excluding PinUps for the reasons above), there is a logical progression in style. Of course there is always a change of style between two albums, no artist ever does two albums that are exactly in the same style (well, none that I could find in my CD collection anyway), but in the HD - "H" axis there are always elements from one album caried over to the next, sometimes stronger and sometimes weaker, but always there. Whereas in the four cases that I highlighted (Hours/Heathen was admittedly pushing it a bit) there were few or no elements carried over from one album to the other because Bowie had a chance to cleanse his system, so to say, of the influences of the last album and start the next album from a clean slate.

"I do not remember seeing a too narrow trachea on a cat, but I'm sure they can be bred to have them."
- Marjatta Snellman, professor of clinical veterinary medicine

BigFatDog
(electric tomato)
03/13/07 07:06 PM
Re: Again, this has little relation to Young Emili new [re: K]  

In reply to:

In my opinion there is a pretty clear progression from AS to DD


Granted.

In reply to:

DD also shows funk and soul influences, especially on side 2, which were brought to fore on YA.


I can see funk elements in We Are The Dead, 1984/Dodo and Big Brother, but Iíll be honest thereís virtually no soul influence. YA was all soul.

In reply to:

A lot of the soul/funk stylings were carried over to STS (Golden Years in particular, but to a lesser degree on other tracks)


You have to bear in mind Golden Years was written for Elvis. Other than that STS is a far cry from its predecessor.

In reply to:

There were few or no elements carried over from one album to the other because Bowie had a chance to cleanse his system


Correct, and as I said in previous post, ample time to rid himself of producers and musicians.





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