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EJ
(byroad singer)
07/09/08 05:43 AM
Re: Bowie In Berlin - The Book You Don't Need new [re: Chinchilla]  

In reply to:

I bought this book and quite liked it. It concentrates more on the technicalities of the songs and how they were recorded rather than his personal life, so one gets an idea how he formulates his own ideas and what methods he used and still uses to this day whilst in the studio.


Nothing wrong with that. But then the book should not have been titled "Bowie In Berlin" which is very misleading. Especially for a book that comes out 30 years later and is far from being the first to describe Bowie's and his mates' recording ideas back then. As I said, as a summary of all that has been written before about that phase of Bowie's career the book works well. But that's it. Plus the decribed mistakes and errors. Not enough for a good book under that title in my view.

In reply to:

(Forgotten Boy) The 33 1/3 book on 'Low' is indeed excellent. Sheds a lot of new light on the production of 'The Idiot' as well, which is a bonus.


So that's probably where Seabrook copied the information about "The Idiot" from, which I heralded as a strong point of his book in my initial post here. I thought that it was at least some genuine fresh info that his book had. Seems I was wrong.

TW GOD OF FOOTBALL


ziggfried
(acolyte)
07/09/08 07:09 PM
Re: Post of the week new [re: Forgotten_Boy]  

In reply to:

On the other hand, while 'Gimme Danger' was most definitely gutter trash, Paul Trynka's superb 'Open Up And Bleed' (indeed the definitive Iggy bio), actually presents Bowie in a very favourable light. In fact, the blurb on the book's back cover actually stakes claim to "dispelling the myths" surrounding Daddy and Pop's "often misunderstood" relationship.


I've been wondering about whether or not to get Trynka's book - I've been afraid of shelling out for something as risible as Ambrose's book. But it looks like it'd be worth the money. BTW, I was in Planet Books yesterday evening, and damn, there were several musical bios lined up together that looked damn-near identical from a distance, because they all have the black-and-white shot of the subject against a white background on the front - Trynka's Iggy Pop book, Anthony Kiedis' autobiography, some book on Axl Rose...



EJ
(byroad singer)
07/10/08 11:10 AM
LA Story new [re: ziggfried]  

In reply to:

some book on Axl Rose...


I read the Slash autobio recently. Another book to keep your hands off. Endless repeats of the same drug abuse and sex stories over and over, unfortunately burying the really interesting parts about the actual history of the band, its members, albums and the eventual split under a heap of redundant rubbish.

Of course drugs and sex are an important part of the Guns story but in that book they simply eat up way too much space.

TW GOD OF FOOTBALL


Adam
(cricket menace)
07/10/08 11:53 AM
Re: LA Story new [re: EJ]  

I wonder if that rock n roll bus tour of Berlin (that you mentioned some time ago) has info on Bowie/Iggy?

I found ziggfried's fantastically scathing review of the Iggy Pop bio here.

Fight the Bozo Goblin!

EJ
(byroad singer)
07/10/08 12:24 PM
Berlin Story new [re: Adam]  

I am about to do that rock tour in Berlin very soon, Adam. I have been planning to do it for years but somehow I never really did. But recently I was given a voucher as a present and before it expires I'll certainly hop on that bus. And of course it features Bowie & Iggy, who alongside Depeche Mode, Techno and Rammstein are the main ingredients in the local radio adverts for the tour.

I have done the Hansa Studio tour which is offered by the same guy and that was cool.


In reply to:

ziggfried's fantastically scathing review of the Iggy Pop bio here.


Brilliant. That review is a must read!

TW GOD OF FOOTBALL


ziggfried
(acolyte)
07/11/08 10:44 AM
Re: LA Story new [re: EJ]  

In reply to:

(EJ) I read the Slash autobio recently. Another book to keep your hands off. Endless repeats of the same drug abuse and sex stories over and over, unfortunately burying the really interesting parts about the actual history of the band, its members, albums and the eventual split under a heap of redundant rubbish.


...which makes me wonder who Slash wrote the book for. I mean, the sex and drugs might be appealing enough for fans of lewd celeb bios, but I imagine hardcore fans of Slash and/or Guns N' Roses would want something more substantial and music-heavy. Anyway, I bought the Slash book for my brother last Christmas. As far as I know, he hasn't bothered reading it yet.

In reply to:

(Adam) I found ziggfried's fantastically scathing review of the Iggy Pop bio here.


What a pile of shite that book was. At least I can take consolation in the fact that I didn't pay money for it - an Aunt of mine in Glasgow bought it for me. Thankfully, she never asked me how I liked the book. I would have felt kinda shabby telling her how it made my blood boil.



EJ
(byroad singer)
10/16/08 06:46 AM
The Rock 'n Roll Recorder Player new [re: ziggfried]  

I read the Visconti autobio recently and quite enjoyed it. Interesting insights into the production business, Visconti's learning process and some stories about the music business and some musicians.

Still it lacks an important feature: His opinion on why he and Bowie split ways for such a long time. Visconti is full of praise about Bowie as a friend and a musician but he almost fully skips their seperation. Visconti writes about his disappointment when Bowie dropped him in favour of Nile Rodgers, how he was called back upon to salvage the live sound of the "Serious Moonlight Tour" and then it all stops. And the next thing we read is that Bowie calles him up ages later to mend their relationship. And that Visconti is totally happy about it.

It seems obvious that Visconti is trying to avoid any risk of upsetting Bowie again - but a little more on the split would have helped my appreciation of the book even further.

A pretty sloppy report is Visconti's bit on Bowie's heart problems during the last tour. He claims that Bowie left the band onstage and was rushed to the hospital for surgery. Not true. He may have left the band alone during the abandoned show in Vienna (or was it Prague?) but he certainly wasn't hospitalized and did not undergo an operation there. That happend after his thunderous show at the Hurricane Festivel in Scheessel/Germany where he did not leave the stage prematurely. In contrast he and the band played a full slot, and it was a mighty one. Plus encores and bows to the crowd when they had finished.

It may be just a minor fault some, but to me this is a more meaninful error: Viconti's book is very likely to be called upon as a major source for further Bowie bios and Bowie discussions in the future. And so that faulty report is likely to be repeated often enough to turn into "false" truth. Nothing I like.

Nevertheless I recommend the Visconti book to everyone who likes to read about the career of a major record producer and the artists he worked with. It is quite entertaining and though Visconti appears to be pretty proud of himself it has enough decent humor in it to make up for the odd moments of self indulgence.

TW GOD OF FOOTBALL


ziggfried
(acolyte)
10/16/08 07:23 AM
Re: The Rock 'n Roll Recorder Player new [re: EJ]  

I thought Visconti's book was generally quite good...my favourite bit was Visconti telling John Lennon about Paul McCartney neglecting to credit [Visconti] for orchestral arrangements on Band on the Run, and Lennon's reaction ("You know what, thanks for telling me that...I was about to call Paul tomorrow and get together with him, but you just reminded me of what a fucking cunt he is").



kalamazoo
(kook)
10/16/08 08:31 AM
Re: Bowie In Berlin - The Book You Don't Need new [re: EJ]  

If anyone cares to know, I learned everything I wanted to know about Bowie in Berlin in the 'Open up and Bleed' Iggy's biography. Actually a whole chapter on Bowie.
P.



globule2
(cracked actor)
10/16/08 09:01 AM
Re: The Rock 'n Roll Recorder Player new [re: ziggfried]  

Thanks for commenting on Visconti's book. Haven't read it and as I've yet to hear of any new Bowie info in it, I don't expect to read it, either.

@ ziggfried: do you know what Ziggfried's official title was in C.H.A.O.S.?




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