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EJ
(byroad singer)
07/07/08 10:47 AM
Bowie In Berlin - The Book You Don't Need new  

What would you expect from a book titled "Bowie in Berlin"?

What would you expect from a book which claims to be "painstakingly researched"?

Just as I most here would probably expect a book about Bowie's life in Berlin, rich in detail and safe in knowledge. Neither is the case.

Thomas Jerome Seabrook's book strangely enough wastes a third of its pages before first reaching the German city in question. Of course we need to know about Bowie's career twists and turns from before the Berlin days but the simple timeline the book follows makes that part redundant to anyone who has ever read any of the good Bowie bios which have been around for years.

If Thomas Jerome Seabrook had indeed painstakingly researched he should at least have found one new and interesting idea and approach to Bowie's Berlin days to start the book with. And then later weave in the necessary background from Bowie's LA time. But as he hasn't painstakingly researched (more later) we first go through the whole cocaine, fridge urine, Cracked Actor etc. encyclopedia before we even get a glimpse of Berlin. If you need a summary of what happened to Bowie in the US in the 70s, this is neat work, but I bought a book which promised more in its title.

When we eventually get to Berlin there is absolutely nothing new in this book. Nothing. Apart from a few wrong facts about the place, that is.

A painstakingly researched book about Bowie In Berlin, released in 2008 should at least try to shed some new light on what happened. Or at least light from a different angle. Not this one. A brief list of what I would have done if I was the author of a book under such a promising title:

- Take a look at Hauptstrasse 155 now and desrcibe it.

- Try to find out who owns the house and maybe get lucky to find a witness from those days.

- Speak to people like (Tangerine Dream's) Edgar Froese about the music from those days.

- Speak to a Berliner like Blixa Bargeld (who was unknown then) about what Berlin was like in those days. About the front feeling which apparently influenced Bowie's work so much.

- Wander through the Hansa Studios and have a word with Eduard Meyer, the once important engineer there.

- Check out Gail Anne Dorsey's tour diary which at some point deliverd a little insight in Bowie's lasting infatuation with Berlin. Or maybe even speak to her personally?

- Check with the legendary punk places like the still existing SO36, which apparently was Iggy's favourite club.

And so on. Just the quick ideas.

All that would help to gain a picture of what a place Berlin was then and why it so much appealed to Bowie. An insight. Instead we get a copy & paiste fest which reproduces all the well known formulas. Wall, Can, beer, bars etc. - you name it, it's there. But nothing that goes any further, 30 years later. Actually the Christiane F. book reveals more about the Bowie-Berlin-Bowie realationship than all that has been said in any Bowie book.

Berlin in the 70s and 80s was an exceptional place. In good and bad ways. It was wild. None of that comes across with Thomas Jerome Seabrook. Because he doesn't know about it. I actually doubt he has ever been here.

Thomas Jerome Seabrook's lack of knowledge about Berlin is embarassing in some facts.

He claims that Bowie's flat was within walking distance of the Hansa Studios and thus the Berlin Wall. A keen walker might do the distance in less than 40 minutes but certainly not the Bowie of those days. Not quite walking distance, I suppose. Similarily wrong is the claim that Schöneberg, the district where Bowie's flat was located, was an area of mainly non-german or even Turkish flair. It wasn't. That part of Schöneberg was certainly working class and had its fair share of migrants of all kind but Bowie was not inhabitating the typical Berlin areas like Kreuzberg or Neukölln, where you would find especially Turkish influences on everyone's life. And where the Wall was indeed next to you. I actually never understood why Bowie chose that dull part of Schöneberg for himself and not the far more vibrant and intense Kreuzberg. The book doesn't bother though.

Thomas Jerome Seabrook's painstakingly researched facts reach their lowest low when he claims that Bowie summoned Iggy's touring band for rehearsals in the "fairly big city of Babelsberg on the outskirts of Berlin". Good Lord, you can hardly put more bullshit in one sentence. Firstly, Babelsberg is no city of its own but a part of Potsdam, which itself is indeed a fairly big city on the outskirts of Berlin, but had one major problem at the time: It was part of East Germany! As the author may have heard there used to be that wall around Berlin - so Bowie, his band and crew would have had to travel over the border into East Germany every day for rehearsals. With their visas ready as Potsdam lay outside of Berlin, which made regular visits even more difficult than travelling from West to East Berlin. And even more absurd is the thought of the East German regime allowing a bunch like that to practise unhindered for a tour of the Western World on their tight fist ruled side of the iron curtain. Crazy.

I suppose Thomas Jerome Seabrook has copied that "fact" as well from somewhere else and I think I know where the original mistake stems from: The true rehearsal studios were on the UFA ground in West Berlin. The UFA also ran studios in Potsdam-Babelsberg where indeed loads of movies were made in the early 20th century and which came back to life after the Wall came down. So apparently someone confused them. Still someone who writes a book titled "Bowie In Berlin" should know better. Much better. And if the band had indeed practised in Babelsberg that would have made headlines all over the world. East and West.

Minor mistakes in the book are easy to be found as well. Following Thomas Jerome Seabrook Bowie has a song under the title "Hold On To Yourself" which I'd like to hear. He also claims that Iggy's "The Passenger" has a two-chord riff, which it hasn't and disses the marvellous "Turn Blue" as a song Bowie and Iggy shoud better have left alone. Urgh.

And there is probably more to be found.

On the good side the book gives detailed information about who played what on "The Idiot" and has a very nice lay-out. And for everyone who seeks a summary of all that's been written about that phase in Bowie's career this is a rather complete work. But for everyone who expects a far more informed and intelligent insight from an author who knows his subject beyond copying and paisting this is a disappointment. And it would have been interesting to get more. Shame.

TW GOD OF FOOTBALL


ghostlove
(cracked actor)
07/07/08 01:13 PM
Re: Bowie In Berlin - The Book You Don't Need new [re: EJ]  

After reading your post I've come to a couple of conclusions:

A. You should have advised Seabrook

B. You should write your own Bowie in Berlin book.

I think you have many points that would make a book like that very interesting and not just a run of the mill rock-n-roll book.

I like the idea of interviewing various people from that time and place and even interviewing people of the modern circle like Gail Ann Dorsey. To get a sense of what it means to him now to have been in Berlin is to see the overall affect on him.

I think Seabrook meant well but it would have been better if he actually went to Berlin and got some facts about the locale as you mentioned. Have you read the 33 1/3 book about Low? How does that compare?

Thanks for the review and I can't wait for your book!



to_dizzy
(cracked actor)
07/07/08 06:56 PM
Re: Bowie In Berlin - The Book You Don't Need new [re: ghostlove]  

I think the author knew the title, "Bowie In Berlin," was intriguing enough so that the contents of the book almost didn't matter.





ziggfried
(acolyte)
07/08/08 02:01 AM
Re: Bowie In Berlin - The Book You Don't Need new [re: EJ]  

I flicked through this book in a store last year and figured I should buy it at some point...Not so sure about it now.

It's kinda amazing how poorly-researched some music books are that get published. Gimme Danger: The Iggy Pop Story by Joe Ambrose is probably the worst rock bio I've ever read - basically a cut 'n' paste job from interviews, laced with amazing factual inaccuracies and brain-dead opinions on the part of the author (who's not a fan of Bowie - or Iggy, come to that). I posted a scathing review of the book on Amazon, but it got truncated.

Ben Myers' John Lydon: The Sex Pistols, PiL and Anti-Celebrity was another disappointment - the material was almost entirely lifted verbatim from the Fodderstompf website.



Emil
(acolyte)
07/08/08 04:00 AM
Post of the week new [re: EJ]  

Did you write this whole review just for TW?
In that case, I'm with ghostlove, you should write your own Bowie in Berlin bio.
Your post was the best reading I have had in recent years (despite not having read the book).


It's LABRYNTH, idiot!

EJ
(byroad singer)
07/08/08 07:56 AM
Re: Post of the week new [re: Emil]  

Thanks for the positive reactions, folks.

I indeed wrote this just for TW, but the word "just" is wrong and it should be replaced by "especially".

And if I ever get enough money and spare time to do such a book myself I'll do it. But I doubt that it will happen.

In reply to:

(ghostlove) Have you read the 33 1/3 book about Low? How does that compare?


No, I haven't. I wasn't even aware it exists.


@ Ziggfried: For the Pistols story John Lydon's "No Blacks, No Dogs, No Irish" is highly recommendable and so is Julien Temple's film (DVD) "The Filth And The Fury".

TW GOD OF FOOTBALL


theidiot2
(electric tomato)
07/08/08 10:11 AM
Re: Post of the week new [re: EJ]  

In reply to:

In reply to:

(ghostlove) Have you read the 33 1/3 book about Low? How does that compare?

No, I haven't. I wasn't even aware it exists.


I've got the Low 33 1/3 book. It's a while since I read it but I remember it favourably, though I couldn't be sure it contains a lot of new information. Also, Gimme Danger should have been called Dirt.



Everyday I write the book

Chinchilla
(wild eyed peoploid)
07/08/08 02:51 PM
Re: Bowie In Berlin - The Book You Don't Need [re: EJ]  

I bought this book and quite liked it. It concentrates more on the technicalities of the songs and how they were recorded rather than his personal life, so one gets an idea how he formulates his own ideas and what methods he used and still uses to this day whilst in the studio.

I'll tell you a book you shouldn't read.... Hello Spaceboy by Dave Thompson. I was so disappointed as this is really the first proper bio that concentrates on his career and life post 1984 and all the guy seemed to have done was read the same newspaper articles and interviews as I did because there was very little in there I didn't already know. I don't think he was able to get many personal accounts and anecdotes so information was very sparse. Don't waste your time with that book.




ziggfried
(acolyte)
07/08/08 11:02 PM
Re: Post of the week new [re: theidiot2]  

In reply to:

Gimme Danger should have been called Dirt.


I've noticed an annoying trend in musical bios of rock stars Bowie has collaborated with - namely, the propensity of the author to slag Bowie off and make frankly ridiculous judgements of the man. In Gimme Danger, Joe Ambrose criticises Bowie throughout and makes the claim that Bowie "never strayed from British mainstream pop" or something like that. I read a Lou Reed biography years ago (I think it was called Waiting for the Man) and the author claimed that, unlike Lou Reed, Bowie never rearranged the styles of his songs from one tour to the other (!!). Even Victor Bockris' otherwise excellent Lou Reed: The Biography makes the ill-advised claim that time has judged Reed's Rock & Roll Heart album as being superior to Bowie's Station To Station, released in the same year. You might be the only person who got on that boat, Victor...



Forgotten_Boy
(electric tomato)
07/08/08 11:45 PM
Re: Post of the week new [re: ziggfried]  

The 33 1/3 book on 'Low' is indeed excellent. Sheds a lot of new light on the production of 'The Idiot' as well, which is a bonus.

On the other hand, while 'Gimme Danger' was most definitely gutter trash, Paul Trynka's superb 'Open Up And Bleed' (indeed the definitive Iggy bio), actually presents Bowie in a very favourable light. In fact, the blurb on the book's back cover actually stakes claim to "dispelling the myths" surrounding Daddy and Pop's "often misunderstood" relationship.

'Hallo Spaceboy' on the otherhand isn't anything special, though the lay out is pretty neat and it's illustrated extensively with photographs throughout, though it would've been far nicer if more were in colour.

I used to be with it, but then they changed what "it" was. Now, what I'm with isn't it, and what's "it" seems weird and scary to me.

EJ
(byroad singer)
07/09/08 05:43 AM
Re: Bowie In Berlin - The Book You Don't Need new [re: Chinchilla]  

In reply to:

I bought this book and quite liked it. It concentrates more on the technicalities of the songs and how they were recorded rather than his personal life, so one gets an idea how he formulates his own ideas and what methods he used and still uses to this day whilst in the studio.


Nothing wrong with that. But then the book should not have been titled "Bowie In Berlin" which is very misleading. Especially for a book that comes out 30 years later and is far from being the first to describe Bowie's and his mates' recording ideas back then. As I said, as a summary of all that has been written before about that phase of Bowie's career the book works well. But that's it. Plus the decribed mistakes and errors. Not enough for a good book under that title in my view.

In reply to:

(Forgotten Boy) The 33 1/3 book on 'Low' is indeed excellent. Sheds a lot of new light on the production of 'The Idiot' as well, which is a bonus.


So that's probably where Seabrook copied the information about "The Idiot" from, which I heralded as a strong point of his book in my initial post here. I thought that it was at least some genuine fresh info that his book had. Seems I was wrong.

TW GOD OF FOOTBALL


ziggfried
(acolyte)
07/09/08 07:09 PM
Re: Post of the week new [re: Forgotten_Boy]  

In reply to:

On the other hand, while 'Gimme Danger' was most definitely gutter trash, Paul Trynka's superb 'Open Up And Bleed' (indeed the definitive Iggy bio), actually presents Bowie in a very favourable light. In fact, the blurb on the book's back cover actually stakes claim to "dispelling the myths" surrounding Daddy and Pop's "often misunderstood" relationship.


I've been wondering about whether or not to get Trynka's book - I've been afraid of shelling out for something as risible as Ambrose's book. But it looks like it'd be worth the money. BTW, I was in Planet Books yesterday evening, and damn, there were several musical bios lined up together that looked damn-near identical from a distance, because they all have the black-and-white shot of the subject against a white background on the front - Trynka's Iggy Pop book, Anthony Kiedis' autobiography, some book on Axl Rose...



EJ
(byroad singer)
07/10/08 11:10 AM
LA Story new [re: ziggfried]  

In reply to:

some book on Axl Rose...


I read the Slash autobio recently. Another book to keep your hands off. Endless repeats of the same drug abuse and sex stories over and over, unfortunately burying the really interesting parts about the actual history of the band, its members, albums and the eventual split under a heap of redundant rubbish.

Of course drugs and sex are an important part of the Guns story but in that book they simply eat up way too much space.

TW GOD OF FOOTBALL


Adam
(cricket menace)
07/10/08 11:53 AM
Re: LA Story new [re: EJ]  

I wonder if that rock n roll bus tour of Berlin (that you mentioned some time ago) has info on Bowie/Iggy?

I found ziggfried's fantastically scathing review of the Iggy Pop bio here.

Fight the Bozo Goblin!

EJ
(byroad singer)
07/10/08 12:24 PM
Berlin Story new [re: Adam]  

I am about to do that rock tour in Berlin very soon, Adam. I have been planning to do it for years but somehow I never really did. But recently I was given a voucher as a present and before it expires I'll certainly hop on that bus. And of course it features Bowie & Iggy, who alongside Depeche Mode, Techno and Rammstein are the main ingredients in the local radio adverts for the tour.

I have done the Hansa Studio tour which is offered by the same guy and that was cool.


In reply to:

ziggfried's fantastically scathing review of the Iggy Pop bio here.


Brilliant. That review is a must read!

TW GOD OF FOOTBALL


ziggfried
(acolyte)
07/11/08 10:44 AM
Re: LA Story new [re: EJ]  

In reply to:

(EJ) I read the Slash autobio recently. Another book to keep your hands off. Endless repeats of the same drug abuse and sex stories over and over, unfortunately burying the really interesting parts about the actual history of the band, its members, albums and the eventual split under a heap of redundant rubbish.


...which makes me wonder who Slash wrote the book for. I mean, the sex and drugs might be appealing enough for fans of lewd celeb bios, but I imagine hardcore fans of Slash and/or Guns N' Roses would want something more substantial and music-heavy. Anyway, I bought the Slash book for my brother last Christmas. As far as I know, he hasn't bothered reading it yet.

In reply to:

(Adam) I found ziggfried's fantastically scathing review of the Iggy Pop bio here.


What a pile of shite that book was. At least I can take consolation in the fact that I didn't pay money for it - an Aunt of mine in Glasgow bought it for me. Thankfully, she never asked me how I liked the book. I would have felt kinda shabby telling her how it made my blood boil.



EJ
(byroad singer)
10/16/08 06:46 AM
The Rock 'n Roll Recorder Player new [re: ziggfried]  

I read the Visconti autobio recently and quite enjoyed it. Interesting insights into the production business, Visconti's learning process and some stories about the music business and some musicians.

Still it lacks an important feature: His opinion on why he and Bowie split ways for such a long time. Visconti is full of praise about Bowie as a friend and a musician but he almost fully skips their seperation. Visconti writes about his disappointment when Bowie dropped him in favour of Nile Rodgers, how he was called back upon to salvage the live sound of the "Serious Moonlight Tour" and then it all stops. And the next thing we read is that Bowie calles him up ages later to mend their relationship. And that Visconti is totally happy about it.

It seems obvious that Visconti is trying to avoid any risk of upsetting Bowie again - but a little more on the split would have helped my appreciation of the book even further.

A pretty sloppy report is Visconti's bit on Bowie's heart problems during the last tour. He claims that Bowie left the band onstage and was rushed to the hospital for surgery. Not true. He may have left the band alone during the abandoned show in Vienna (or was it Prague?) but he certainly wasn't hospitalized and did not undergo an operation there. That happend after his thunderous show at the Hurricane Festivel in Scheessel/Germany where he did not leave the stage prematurely. In contrast he and the band played a full slot, and it was a mighty one. Plus encores and bows to the crowd when they had finished.

It may be just a minor fault some, but to me this is a more meaninful error: Viconti's book is very likely to be called upon as a major source for further Bowie bios and Bowie discussions in the future. And so that faulty report is likely to be repeated often enough to turn into "false" truth. Nothing I like.

Nevertheless I recommend the Visconti book to everyone who likes to read about the career of a major record producer and the artists he worked with. It is quite entertaining and though Visconti appears to be pretty proud of himself it has enough decent humor in it to make up for the odd moments of self indulgence.

TW GOD OF FOOTBALL


ziggfried
(acolyte)
10/16/08 07:23 AM
Re: The Rock 'n Roll Recorder Player new [re: EJ]  

I thought Visconti's book was generally quite good...my favourite bit was Visconti telling John Lennon about Paul McCartney neglecting to credit [Visconti] for orchestral arrangements on Band on the Run, and Lennon's reaction ("You know what, thanks for telling me that...I was about to call Paul tomorrow and get together with him, but you just reminded me of what a fucking cunt he is").



kalamazoo
(kook)
10/16/08 08:31 AM
Re: Bowie In Berlin - The Book You Don't Need new [re: EJ]  

If anyone cares to know, I learned everything I wanted to know about Bowie in Berlin in the 'Open up and Bleed' Iggy's biography. Actually a whole chapter on Bowie.
P.



globule2
(cracked actor)
10/16/08 09:01 AM
Re: The Rock 'n Roll Recorder Player new [re: ziggfried]  

Thanks for commenting on Visconti's book. Haven't read it and as I've yet to hear of any new Bowie info in it, I don't expect to read it, either.

@ ziggfried: do you know what Ziggfried's official title was in C.H.A.O.S.?



EJ
(byroad singer)
10/16/08 11:11 AM
A little hero for one day new [re: kalamazoo]  

In reply to:

I learned everything I wanted to know about Bowie in Berlin in the 'Open up and Bleed' Iggy's biography.


How do you know what you want to know if you don't know all that happened??

I heard an interesting story about Bowie living in Berlin when I recently did a guided bus tour to the most important places in the City's history of rock and pop music.

Next door to where Iggy and Bowie lived there a still is a gay cafe and pub called "Anderes Ufer" (literally meaning "opposite bank", like a river bank), the name is an old fashioned expression for being gay. Coming from the other side of the river or sea, if you like.

Anyway, when that place opend in April 1977 it caused quite some uproar as it was the first overtly gay place in Germany (some claim in Europe) and it had to fight for its existence right from the start in an environment that didn't accept gayness that wasn't hidden behind curtains in dark clubs. Anti-gay mobs would come round and attack visitors and apparently one day Daddy got involved. Unsurprisingly Bowie was a regular in that place and some afternoon a fist-fight broke out on the street in front of the big window beside the entrance. Some gay people who were about to enter the place got attacked and at least one person got injured. As the story goes Bowie witnessed the fight from inside the cafe and rushed to help the injured. He also came up with the money to help the owners get a new window without being asked to do so. A good neighbour, I'd say.

That is the kind of story I expect when I buy a book about "Bowie in Berlin".

TW GOD OF FOOTBALL


Adam
(cricket menace)
10/16/08 12:24 PM
Re: A little hero for one day new [re: EJ]  

Was that the club owned by Romy Haag?

Bizarrely, I was riding the tram home the other night with my recently purchased 'Slow Burn' CD single and a stranger started talking to me about Bowie and Romy Haag - the transexual DB had a love affair with in 70s.

Anyway, this particular person had recently witnessed a local drag queen that had some connections back to Germany. From what I understood, Bowie and Romy lived in that same little district in Berlin.

Bowie Downunder

EJ
(byroad singer)
10/16/08 12:41 PM
Not Romy's Room new [re: Adam]  

No, it's not the club Romy Haag ran. It's not a club anyway, it is a very normal street cafe and bar, nothing glam or flash, and that normality apparently was what made the "normal" people angry. A place where gay people met just like anyone else would do was too much to take.

This is it:



TW GOD OF FOOTBALL


ziggfried
(acolyte)
10/16/08 05:46 PM
Re: Not Romy's Room new [re: EJ]  

In reply to:

(EJ) it is a very normal street cafe and bar, nothing glam or flash, and that normality apparently was what made the "normal" people angry.


I guess, perhaps ironically, those "normal" people wouldn't have been so offended if the cafe was actually much gayer looking.

In reply to:

(globule2) ziggfried: do you know what Ziggfried's official title was in C.H.A.O.S.?


My Get Smart-watching days are a couple of decades behind me, so I don't remember!



EJ
(byroad singer)
10/17/08 04:27 AM
All New new [re: ziggfried]  

I just saw on that photo that the "Anderes Ufer" has been renamed to "Neues Ufer" - new (river) bank. Just to get the facts right.

TW GOD OF FOOTBALL


globule2
(cracked actor)
10/17/08 09:19 AM
Re: Not Romy's Room new [re: ziggfried]  

In reply to:
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(globule2) ziggfried: do you know what Ziggfried's official title was in C.H.A.O.S.?
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My Get Smart-watching days are a couple of decades behind me, so I don't remember!
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Would you believe "Vice President of Public Relations and Terrorism"?
http://www.wouldyoubelieve.com/siegfried.html




ziggfried
(acolyte)
10/17/08 11:45 AM
Re: Not Romy's Room new [re: globule2]  

In reply to:

Would you believe "Vice President of Public Relations and Terrorism"?


I guess as Vice Presidents go, Siegfried combined the villainy of Spiro Agnew with the comedic stupidity of Dan Quayle.



EJ
(byroad singer)
04/17/12 04:50 AM
Bowie in Berlin - hope the DVD is better new [re: ziggfried]  

A new documentary named " Bowie in Berlin" is about to be released in Germany and maybe has already been in other parts of the world.

I hope it is not done by the same guy who wrote that terrible book which I reviewed in the initial post of this thread.

Anybody seen the DVD yet?

TW GOD OF FOOTBALL


Quills
(kook)
04/17/12 09:48 AM
Re: Bowie in Berlin - hope the DVD is better new [re: EJ]  

Same old, same old

http://www.network54.com/Forum/8980/thread/1332870476/Bowie+in+Berlin

I went to a restaurant that serves 'breakfast at any time'. So I ordered French Toast during the Renaissance.


EJ
(byroad singer)
04/18/12 07:42 AM
Re: Bowie in Berlin - hope the DVD is better new [re: Quills]  

It's claimed - but not proven.

The given length is different, so is apparently the studio that produced it.

Has anyone seen the "Under Review" DVD?

TW GOD OF FOOTBALL


EJ
(byroad singer)
06/04/12 06:39 AM
Re: Bowie in Berlin - The Sceptics Where Right new [re: EJ]  

Finally got the "Bowie In Berlin" DVD and it is indeed exactly the same as "Under Review - The Berlin Trilogy". What a shame. What a disappointment. As a discussion of his music in those days the "Under Review" is okay, though nothing totally overwhelming. But at least it has some nice input from Michael Rother and it does not evoke the impression that it is a documentary about Bowie's life in Berlin but about his music. Which is in fact what it deals with and what it says on the cover: "An independent critical analysis". The new release "Bowie In Berlin" has (in German) the words "A Documentary 1976 - 1979" imprinted on the sleeve, which very much envokes the impression of the DVD being a film about Bowie's life in Berlin and not just about the music he recorded then. The fairly good book "Heroes: David Bowie and Berlin" by T. Rüther (and beware of the dreadful "Bowie in Berlin" by Tom Jerome!) would have been a guide to such a docu about the what, where, when, why and who which played a role in Bowie's Berlin days. But as it is under those false pretenses this re-release is just a disappointment to anyone expecting anything like that.

TW GOD OF FOOTBALL


Quills
(kook)
06/04/12 09:35 AM
Re: Bowie in Berlin - The Sceptics Where Right new [re: EJ]  

Can't say you weren't warned!

I went to a restaurant that serves 'breakfast at any time'. So I ordered French Toast during the Renaissance.


EJ
(byroad singer)
06/08/12 10:22 AM
Re: Bowie in Berlin - The Sceptics Where Right new [re: Quills]  

No. But someone had to test it. So I volunteered.

TW GOD OF FOOTBALL



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