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jump93
(crash course raver)
07/30/08 02:04 PM
Tin Machine - Edited & Better?  

Many people don't like Tin Machine for various reasons but I thought it would be interesting to create my own edits of some tracks in attempt to make them more "bearable" to people who dislike the squealy guitars or just the length of some of the tracks.

I've done "Heavens In Here" and effectively halved the length (the same riff for 6 minutes or so grates on some) and have got rid of a lot of the screechy guitars.

I am interested to hear what people think.

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Quills
(grinning soul)
07/30/08 02:37 PM
Re: Tin Machine - Edited & Better? new [re: jump93]  

Much better and a lot more "bearable" thanks Mike

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trendy rechauffe
(acolyte)
07/31/08 07:29 AM
Re: Tin Machine - Edited & Better? new [re: jump93]  

The edited version of Heaven's in here on the promo CD is really good. All the overdone guitar parts have been removed and it has a proper ending, not a fade like this edit. Not sure why it wasn't released as a full blown single.

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russellmael
(cracked actor)
07/31/08 07:39 AM
Re: Tin Machine - Edited & Better? new [re: trendy rechauffe]  

I'd have to say HIH is up there with Stateside as a tiresome TM song. If that first album tracklist order was shuffled, almost any other song would've made a better opener and maybe history would be different.

I'm guessing here, of course.



Diamond Frog
(acolyte)
07/31/08 10:22 AM
Re: Tin Machine - Edited & Better? new [re: russellmael]  

The best TM track will always be the one written by Bryan Ferry, anyway.

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emptysmellmetal
(grinning soul)
07/31/08 04:24 PM
Re: Tin Machine - Edited & Better? new [re: jump93]  

Mind you, the entire point of Tin Machine (initially) was Bowie not
editing himself lyrically/musically....for better and worse.

Most disappointment for Bowie fans (and music fans in general) is
based on "expectation."
If you're feeling funky you don't put on Heathen you put on Y. Americans
or BTWN. If you wanna rock you don't put on Tonight or Hours. For instance,
Tonight can only be enjoyed poolside in the hot sun drinking Mai Tai's....

Imagine Tin Machine opening with the title track.....cool, short, direct song
with the added gimmick of being the name of the band. Would've been a
great way to introduce them to the public.....and it hinted at EVERYTHING
Bowie was trying to do with the project...

"Raging, raging, raging".....
"Come on and get a good idea, come on and get it soon".....
"Take me anywhere".....
"I'm neither red nor black or white I'm gray and blown to hell"....



to_dizzy
(cracked actor)
07/31/08 10:11 PM
Re: Tin Machine - Edited & Better? new [re: emptysmellmetal]  

He should have edited himself a better name for the band. "Tin Machine" means nothing, does not evoke anything, nor should it be the title of a song.

What is a tin machine? How does a tin machine "take me anywhere?"
Bowie should not even be singing these words!



russellmael
(cracked actor)
08/01/08 04:04 AM
Re: Tin Machine - Edited & Better? new [re: to_dizzy]  

I thnk it's up there with his best band names, it's just tarnished by the (incorrect) reputation of the band.



Forgotten_Boy
(electric tomato)
08/01/08 07:44 AM
Re: Tin Machine - Edited & Better? new [re: jump93]  

I liked how your editing made the song tighter, but I felt the fade out was premature. Made the whole song just sound a little pointless.

I used to be with it, but then they changed what "it" was. Now, what I'm with isn't it, and what's "it" seems weird and scary to me.

emptysmellmetal
(grinning soul)
08/01/08 12:59 PM
Re: Tin Machine - Edited & Better? new [re: to_dizzy]  

I actually love the bands name....
I see it as a reference to "starting from scratch".....
& of course, a play on words, with "time machine".....going backwards

Bowie did something performers/artists rarely do.....create a SECOND
debut album..........how anyone can listen to Tonight and NLMD and not
realize Gabrels and the Sales Brothers gave him a much needed kick in
the ass is beyond me......I certainly listen to TM more than Space Oddity...

How it devolved into Bowie wearing lime-green suits (cool) and Versace
shirts (not so cool) in Jesus poses is somewhat baffling....though I've
never seen him so improvisational and loose as on the second TM tour....
taking his shirt off and wrapping it around his head, not knowing when
of IF a song will end and "rocking out" in a true "un-mannered" fashion...

I know H. Sales gets a lot of flak for his "contributions".....but how many
times has Keith Richards "singing" ruined the flow of supposed "classic"
Rolling Stones albums......?!

Though what really put the nail in the coffin was Bowie going on a "Greatest
Hits" tour after trying to convince the world he was completely dedicated
to his new project/band and steering away from things like....um...playing
the hits in Stadiums...with a band that simply made you yearn for......um...
Tin Machine......




to_dizzy
(cracked actor)
08/01/08 01:03 PM
Re: Tin Machine - Edited & Better? new [re: emptysmellmetal]  

I think the worst thing about Tin Machine was letting the other band members contribute to the lyrics:

"They're just a bunch of buttheads, with assholes for their brains." Bowie would never write such poor lyrics.



Chinchilla
(wild eyed peoploid)
08/01/08 01:08 PM
Re: Tin Machine - Edited & Better? new [re: jump93]  

I wonder if Bowie would have gotten as much crap for the Tin Machine albums if they had been released as his own solo albums?
I mean I think they'd be seen as among his best work if they were just David Bowie albums. Sorry, didn't really have anything to do with this thread.



Adam
(cricket menace)
08/01/08 01:27 PM
Re: Tin Machine - Edited & Better? new [re: to_dizzy]  

Well, 'Crack City' was supposedly *only* written by Bowie but I've probably gazed straight at the credit sheet when I heard that line too. It's very uncharacteristic of him and on the whole, the album represents his worst collection of lyrics since his debut.

There is that Storytellers joke where Bowie points out the (apparently awful) line "my girl calls my name, Hi Dave......" and later says "we're not even going to look at Tin Machine lyrics". Gabrels responds "we can look at who wrote them".


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to_dizzy
(cracked actor)
08/01/08 02:47 PM
Re: Tin Machine - Edited & Better? new [re: Adam]  

Oh okay, I'm wrong then, but in my mind I saw Hunt Sales coming up with that line.



jump93
(crash course raver)
08/02/08 06:28 AM
Re: Tin Machine - Edited & Better? new [re: Forgotten_Boy]  

If I'm being honest I was thinking the same thing, but shortly after the fade there is yet another "HEAVENS IN HERE!!!!!" and another break down which I felt the song simply did not need, followed by more ear-killing guitars

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trendy rechauffe
(acolyte)
08/02/08 08:44 AM
Re: Tin Machine - Edited & Better? new [re: jump93]  

In reply to:

If I'm being honest I was thinking the same thing, but shortly after the fade there is yet another "HEAVENS IN HERE!!!!!" and another break down which I felt the song simply did not need, followed by more ear-killing guitars



The 4:17 min edit has had all the ear-killing guitars removed. It turned out to be a great song. It would have been a great follow-up single to Under the god. It would also have made a great bonus track or better still, it should have replaced the album version on the reissues.

The promo CD appears on Ebay occasionally (my copy won't). It is worth picking up if you see it listed.

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sonofsilence
(two inch thoughts)
08/02/08 03:00 PM
Re: Tin Machine - Edited & Better? new [re: jump93]  

cool but can you edit Stateside? cutting out the vocals and wanky guitar?

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jump93
(crash course raver)
08/02/08 05:21 PM
Re: Tin Machine - Edited & Better? new [re: sonofsilence]  

I can't find my Tin Machine II CD, and can't be bothered digging it out otherwise I would for novelty

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ziggfried
(acolyte)
08/02/08 09:20 PM
Re: Tin Machine - Edited & Better? new [re: sonofsilence]  

What about an edit of "Sorry" - 3:29 of complete silence?



trendy rechauffe
(acolyte)
08/02/08 10:48 PM
Re: Tin Machine - Edited & Better? new [re: ziggfried]  

In reply to:

What about an edit of "Sorry" - 3:29 of complete silence?


That's how I rejigged my version of TMII (firstly on cassette). I redid the CD minus Sorry. So hadn't heard the track for about 18 years. When I recently listened to the outtakes that were just labeled by track numbers, a song I didn't recognise came on. I thought it sounded ok, till the vocals started and I realised what it was, so I quickly skipped the track. Might make a good instrumental.

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wannabebowie
(kook)
08/04/08 12:13 PM
Re: Tin Machine - Edited & Better? new [re: jump93]  

Not bad, thanks.

For me, it is the production of TM1; I just don't like the way it sounds. I like many of the songs but can't turn it up without cringing. I guess it is supposed to be 'metal' but to me it sounds, well, er, tinny.

I actually like TM2; the songs are great, the production is great and you can really turn it up and be satisfied. That album, without the non-Bowie contributions, is a good "Bowie" album.



jump93
(crash course raver)
08/04/08 04:49 PM
Re: Tin Machine - Edited & Better? new [re: wannabebowie]  

There are parts of both I don't like but a good long-term project would be to create the "ultimate" Tin machine album taking the best songs and editing the crap bits.

I haven't the time nor the patience though plus undoubtedly everyone likes/dislikes different parts of Tin Machine with the exception of everyone hating the Hunt Sales tracks; though I must admit I can tolerate both of them.

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