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Forgotten_Boy
(crash course raver)
06/14/09 10:13 PM
Re: If Bowie Was to Use a New Producer WHo Should it b new [re: ghostlove]  

In reply to:

Nigel Godrich, who has done almost all of the Radiohead albums and a couple of the Beck albums making them feasts for the ears.


Agreed.
He also produced the only worthwhile McCartney album post-Beatles - simply because he stood up to him and told him his songs were crap.

I used to be with it, but then they changed what "it" was. Now, what I'm with isn't it, and what's "it" seems weird and scary to me.

sunspot
(wild eyed peoploid)
06/15/09 03:25 AM
Re: If Bowie Was to Use a New Producer WHo Should it b new [re: Forgotten_Boy]  

He needs somebody who will - as has been noted - stand up to him and tell him when his songs are crap. His last two albums were both alright on a production front, but the material was substandard. Not awful, just not the best he's capable of. The fact he can produce one or two standout tracks a record - like "Slow Burn" or "New Killer Star" - indicates he's still "got it". He just needs to work with someone who won't settle for anything less engaging than that.





EJ
(byroad singer)
06/15/09 04:05 AM
Re: If Bowie Was Ever To Record Again new [re: tv eye]  

In reply to:

are you comparing lodger to reality??


Just in my train of thoughts considering three Visconti productions in a row.

Of course "Lodger" is way better than "Reality", hence my use of "slightly flawed" vs. "flawed" in that post. Still the first is not as good and the second not as bad as often said.

TW GOD OF FOOTBALL


ghostlove
(cracked actor)
06/15/09 04:52 AM
Re: If Bowie Was Ever To Record Again new [re: EJ]  

Lodger is purposely flawed and experimental but as you get used to it, it normalizes itself to become something unique and classic. Reality sounds conventional and fresh at the same time to me. It is his recapitulation album behind a generic rock record. Deconstructing the norm with songs of death and cut-up lyrical plaster with his off-kilter compositions and odd sounds.



EJ
(byroad singer)
06/16/09 04:49 AM
Re: If Bowie Was Ever To Record Again new [re: ghostlove]  

In reply to:

Lodger is purposely flawed


Visconti writes differently in his book: Work didn't go as planned, results weren't as good as hoped. In brief.
And again: as good as "Lodger" is, it is lightyears behind "Low" and "heroes", the albums it is related with.

TW GOD OF FOOTBALL


sunspot
(wild eyed peoploid)
06/17/09 01:02 AM
Re: If Bowie Was Ever To Record Again new [re: EJ]  

Yeah. I think Lodger is way inferior to Scary Monsters and even Let's Dance. The cuts always felt like they were trying to hard to be edgy without actually succeeding at being worthwhile songs, whereas Low and heroes are packed with successful tracks just about end to end.

I think I actually prefer Heathen and probably Reality to Lodger. Actually, come to think of it, the three records are somewhat alike - trying to be edgy, sport a remarkably similar sound and aren't loaded with particularly memorable or vital songs, with a couple of obvious exceptions.





Adam
(cricket menace)
06/17/09 02:50 AM
My story about Daniel Lanois and Bowie new [re: sonofsilence]  

Several years ago, I had the opportunity to ask famous producer Daniel Lanois a question which I thought was about David Bowie.

Knowing the man had worked with U2, Eno, Dylan, Gabriel et al, I asked him which artist he wanted to produce in the future.

Unfortunately by the time I asked the question, I was so convinced that Lanois would answer Bowie that the dismay was visible on my face when he answered 'Martha Wainwright'. My friend reported that my jaw dropped when in my mind, I thought I was doing well to accept his suggestion of the Martha women who was probably some relative of Rufus. Which is all a bit embarrassing to say the least.





Well, 100% Brit (and apparently proud of it) is being a bit over the top when he says 8 hours [of Outside outtakes]. I'd love to know the truth concerning what 100% git really has ~ Reeves Gabrels, 2003

Adam
(cricket menace)
06/17/09 03:00 AM
Lodger new [re: sunspot]  

Over the years, I think this album has been questioned more frequently than maybe any other 70s album barring Pin Ups. At the same, it's also been strongly defended, so what I am going to say is this ...

Lodger, I think, dropped a few of the hooks we'd come to expect from the surrounding Bowie albums and began favouring sonics over songwriting more than ever before. This is not necessarily a bad thing but it does suits some fans and not others.

Also, in review Lodger's songwriting, we should not forget that Brian Eno actually co-wrote more than half the album. In an intense study of the music, Eno writer Eric Tamm even implies that Bowie has certain abilities that are physiologically off limits to Eno. Perhaps some of this also began to emerge.



Well, 100% Brit (and apparently proud of it) is being a bit over the top when he says 8 hours [of Outside outtakes]. I'd love to know the truth concerning what 100% git really has ~ Reeves Gabrels, 2003

ziggfried
(acolyte)
06/17/09 05:27 AM
Re: If Bowie Was Ever To Record Again new [re: EJ]  

I still think Lodger is better than "Heroes" (and better than any of Bowie's post-Scary Monsters albums, with the possible exception of The Buddha of Suburbia). There's only two tracks on there that I don't think are brilliant - "Move On" (which is kinda fun though when you play it backwards) and "Red Money" ("Sister Midnight" was better).



sonofsilence
(two inch thoughts)
06/17/09 05:50 AM
Re: If Bowie Was Ever To Record Again new [re: ziggfried]  

Lodger was like a sketch book of many ideas. Production wise it could have been better I guess. But it's obvious he was trying to avoid doing another instrumental side. Though I am sure he was tempted.

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