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ziggfried
(acolyte)
06/17/09 08:34 AM
Re: If Bowie Was Ever To Record Again new [re: sonofsilence]  

Lodger's mix does sound a little soupy.

I wonder if the fact that the album doesn't have any instrumentals is why it's not held in quite the same esteem as Low and "Heroes".



Chinchilla
(kook)
06/17/09 02:09 PM
Re: If Bowie Was to Use a New Producer WHo Should it b new [re: sonofsilence]  

I like Lodger. It served its purpose well which was to give a feeling of a person travelling. I feel that when I listen. I absolutely adore Look Back In Anger and it's an album that spawned some great Bowie tracks like DJ and Boys Keep Swinging and also inspired Bowie to make more video clips. Something he's now lost his passion for. Those music videos for the album were pre MTV too.



ghostlove
(cracked actor)
06/17/09 09:48 PM
Re: If Bowie Was Ever To Record Again new [re: ziggfried]  

I like the funky way Bowie sings "Red Money" but "Sister Midnight" has a more grounded sound, I suppose. Along the Lodger line, "Red Sails" is always in the running with being my favorite song in his canon.



Forgotten_Boy
(crash course raver)
06/17/09 11:04 PM
Lodger's instrumental side new [re: ziggfried]  

Lodger's mix hasn't translated well onto CD at all, especially when it comes to remastering. It sounds way too sonically thin in parts, unlike the more rounded out sounds of "Heroes" and 'Scary Monsters'. I wonder if Visconti would consider remixing it. It IS the album's 30th Anniversary this year

As for pondering of the instrumental side, according to Pegg's book, it was intended initially, but when Bowie started writing lyrics/vocals for the album, he was mining a rich vein of inspiration so decided to scrap the instrumental side.

I used to be with it, but then they changed what "it" was. Now, what I'm with isn't it, and what's "it" seems weird and scary to me.

sonofsilence
(two inch thoughts)
06/18/09 03:12 AM
Re: Lodger's instrumental side new [re: Forgotten_Boy]  

maybe what we now call Abdulmajid was intended as one of the instrumentals.

my site - updated MAY 2009

sunspot
(wild eyed peoploid)
06/18/09 04:01 AM
Re: Lodger's instrumental side new [re: sonofsilence]  

That track actually would fit pretty well on Lodger.

>I wonder if the fact that the album doesn't have any
>instrumentals is why it's not held in quite the same
>esteem as Low and "Heroes".

Not in my case. I don't think a single track on Lodger bests any of the instrumental tracks on Low and "heroes", let alone the tracks with vocals on those two records (which are generally my favorites).

For me there are a couple of highlights on Lodger - really just the two big singles - and the rest is of no real interest at all. I've listened to the record dozens of times, and it just bounces off. I find parts of it annoying I suppose. The rest seems fairly pointless.

Which, come to think of it, is kinda the reaction I have to Reality and Heathen! Not bad really, but annoying in spots and, well, kinda 'eh. An improvement from Earthling and Hours to be sure (the former being extremely annoying, the latter deadly dull), but not really up to his best except in patches.

Sorry, Lodger lovers!

If Bowie does record another record, instead of aiming for his Berlin period, as he seems to have done on his last couple of releases, he should go all Tokyo disco and aim for the vibe Scary Monsters achieved. Get Gwen Stefani's producers!

And her wardrobe!





sonofsilence
(two inch thoughts)
06/18/09 04:30 AM
Re: Lodger's instrumental side new [re: sunspot]  

or maybe get Goldfrapp to produce it.

my site - updated MAY 2009

Forgotten_Boy
(crash course raver)
06/19/09 02:00 AM
Commercial claptrap new [re: sunspot]  

I'd much rather he focus on solid songwriting, rather than being cutting edge and jumping whichever bandwagon is flavour of the month at the moment... let's face it, the days of a new Bowie product being a huge global smash are gone, despite the fact his next record (if there is one) will be huge, if only for the fact he's been dormant so long.

I used to be with it, but then they changed what "it" was. Now, what I'm with isn't it, and what's "it" seems weird and scary to me.

sunspot
(wild eyed peoploid)
06/19/09 02:26 AM
Re: Commercial claptrap new [re: Forgotten_Boy]  

I don't want him to be cutting edge, I want him to be good. It wouldn't kill him to work with a good, contemporary, mainstream producer, though. Let Bowie bring on the weird, and let the producer bring on the contemporary groove. It would give them both something to play against, which often results in the best music.

Working with Goldfrapp would be kinda cool . . .



SoulLoveChild
(beyond the yoga zone)
06/19/09 07:10 AM
Re: My story about Daniel Lanois and Bowie new [re: Adam]  

In reply to:

Unfortunately by the time I asked the question, I was so convinced that Lanois would answer Bowie that the dismay was visible on my face when he answered 'Martha Wainwright'. My friend reported that my jaw dropped when in my mind, I thought I was doing well to accept his suggestion of the Martha women who was probably some relative of Rufus. Which is all a bit embarrassing to say the least.



You're a bloody mother fucking asshole!

(Some relative of Rufus? sheesh Adam, you should take more notice of what I say in future and not put important info in the trash if there is not a whiff of Bowie reference.... I bet you know she covered "See Emily Play" on her last album though )

my face is finished, my body's gone and i can't help but think,
standin' up here in all this applause and gazin' down at all the young and the beautiful with their questioning eyes,
that i must above all things love myself



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