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Persilot
(crash course raver)
05/17/04 01:55 PM
Going against the flow new [re: tonyinsf]  

To be honest I couldn't give a crap about the kind of things artists say about each other. All I actually care about is if their music is any good. I happen to like The Smiths and Morrissey's new album (which I have on right now). Just because he happened to slag Bowie off doesn't devalue the worth of his music for me.

Plus I find Jonathon Ross extremely nauesuting. He licks the arse of every guest they have on... then goes on to slag them off later on. When he has Bowie on it, is almost cringeworthingly embarrassing to watch just how much he fawns over him. I for one would have paid good money to have been in the audience just to watch the smirk on his smug face fade as Morrissey laid into Bowie.

I get the feeling I tend to be in the minority view… but I feel Morrissey is entitled to any opinion he cares to make. If you put something out in the public sector you have to face that you might be criticised

"If a man consults whether he is to fight, when he has the power in his own hands, it is certain that his opinion is against fighting." - Nelson

RabbitFighter
(acolyte)
05/17/04 01:56 PM
Re: Every song is like Sunday new [re: Dara]  

In reply to:

how easy it is to score a big UK single these days


Apparently in US too. Irish blood, English heart went straight to 4th place on the billboard chart.

edit: Persilot my man, it's nice to see for a change that somebody isn't hellbound to defend Bowie till the end.

The God you love is gone
He lies broken by your shame
The thing that took his place already died


prrrrr
(kook)
05/17/04 02:29 PM
Re: Going against the flow new [re: Persilot]  

Agreed - base opinion on their artistic output. Period.

Problem I have with what was said is that the comments do come across as childish: "showie Bowie" - calling names???? wtf

Saying Bowie is not the person he was... what the hell is that supposed to mean. Musically... I hope not - he progresses and changes; develops his ideas etc. If he's talking about personally, then he should know him very well to make that kind of observation & statement.

If he was to comment solely on his opinions of Bowie's work, I have no problem with that. However, when he makes personal comments and talks about "people yawning their heads off" - what, he took a poll? I'm not yawning & many Bowie fans are not.

I don't feel the need to trash Morrissey, but I don't think these remarks give him any credibility (at least not in my book). Sounds more like a "hissy fit", as though he was disappointed that someone isn't living up to his expectations, therefore, they must suck.

Childish. I don't put much value on his opinions, they just seem so self-serving.


prrrrr

I pray you'll soothe my sorry soul


RabbitFighter
(acolyte)
05/17/04 02:32 PM
Re: Going against the flow new [re: prrrrr]  

You call Reality progression?

The God you love is gone
He lies broken by your shame
The thing that took his place already died


prrrrr
(kook)
05/17/04 02:46 PM
Re: Going against the flow new [re: RabbitFighter]  

Not necessarily RabbitFighter, but you know what? In a 30+ year career, you better believe I think he's progressed, don't you?

It's stretching it to think that I would like every single work by any artist, no matter how much I admire them. I may not always agree with a direction either, but I continue to find Bowie interesting and relevant. It's not just a historical thing (i.e. what he meant to music in past, his influence on others etc.). I think he continues to have a lot to bring to the table, and I'm there, waiting to be fed.

You know, progression is a process. Sometimes what might be seen as a backward step, or even stagnation, is part of that process.

I like Reality ok; it's not one of my favorites, but I think some of those songs play amazing live... which is primarily what he claims he wrote this album for - to be performed live. In fact, the Loneliest Guy, not even one of my favorite songs from the CD, is the one song that almost brought me to tears in London - and that's saying something, because London was a fantastic show.

cheers,

prrrrr

I pray you'll soothe my sorry soul


RabbitFighter
(acolyte)
05/17/04 03:04 PM
Re: Going against the flow new [re: prrrrr]  

I wouldn't dare to deny Bowie's musical importance and the magnificent cycle of stylechanges (I think i'll leave that to NoControl) but I don't find Reality all that thrilling. It's a solid album allright but this isn't THE David Bowie who created some of the most magnificent pieces of music during the 20th century. As far as I can see, that's what Morrissey was saying all along, he wasn't trying to tear down Bowie's past successes. It might be true that his statements are fired up by some personal differences but that doesn't change the fact that Bowie could do a lot better than Reality.
On a positive side I might add that if Morrissey's been able to pull of such a marvelous comeback, i'm sure that Bowie isn't permanently turning into a former shadow of himself (like Mccartney or Jagger and co).

The God you love is gone
He lies broken by your shame
The thing that took his place already died


JonnyManic
(stardust savant)
05/17/04 05:59 PM
must try harder new [re: Persilot]  

In reply to:

I happen to like The Smiths and Morrissey's new album (which I have on right now).


Meh, it's an ok album but it's so predictable and one-note that it I very much doubt I'd be interested in listening to it very often. The problem is that Morrisey ain't a songwriter and, surrounded my session musos, it's a hit-and-miss game for him to come up with a good song. Unfortunately, this album has the added weakness of some of the most poorly fleshed-out Morrissey lyrics I've ever heard. Even the single (by far the standout track) has him blathering on trying to defend his Union Jack/National Front fetishist days.

My flesh inherited a thousand natural shocks the first time I gazed at your pre-Raphaelite locks

Dara
(acolyte)
05/18/04 05:30 AM
Re: Every song is like Sunday new [re: RabbitFighter]  

In reply to:

Apparently in US too. Irish blood, English heart went straight to 4th place on the billboard chart.


Really? Where did you hear this? I can't find it anywhere on the Billboard chart at the official Billboard site.

Slan leat,

Dara

So Levi's are called Levi's because the guy's name was Levi Strauss? Why didn't they call them strousers? - Fiona O'Kearney 6/5/2004

MichelleAlder
(kook)
05/18/04 05:55 AM
Re: The Idiot [re: hangontoyourself]  

Last time I checked the majority of the the albums put out by The Smiths sucked and I don't remember his solo career being any better. He has one of the worst voices in music history and is a bad imitation of a bad imitation of Robert Smith. Why oh why can't he be hit by a bus already?

"They beat on the outside
And I'll stand by you
Now. Not tomorrow"

RabbitFighter
(acolyte)
05/18/04 06:33 AM
Re: Every song is like Sunday new [re: Dara]  

I got my info from here

The God you love is gone
He lies broken by your shame
The thing that took his place already died



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