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BigFatDog
(grinning soul)
05/21/04 05:54 AM
Re: The Idiot (Morrissey calls Bowie "A Business") new [re: Diamond_Dave]  

Although I'm sure he has some influence over things released, I'm pretty sure the big boys have him by the short and curlies.

I appreciate there is so much we haven't heard, but to a certain extent I'm pleased about that. All live stuff he has to offer isn't really gonna be anything we haven't heard before, and entices people to go and see him live because of audio being so readily available (Win MX, Kazaa etc.)

I think Bowie's got a nice balance going....



ziggfried
(acolyte)
05/21/04 10:09 AM
Oh, PLEASE. new [re: Diamond_Dave]  

In reply to:

Fact remains kids, Bowie has become exactly what Mozz states...A BUSINESS!!! When you all go and buy the 30th DD's next month remind yourself of what Mozz said about the business and don't pass the buck blaming EMI for Bowie's greed.


I take it you never saw the episode of John Safran's Music Jamboree in which the guy comes into the music store and says to John, "Do you have that Smiths song Paint A Vulgar Picture which cynically attacks bands endlessly releasing old material? I can't seem to find it on The Best Of The Smiths Volume One, The Best Of The Smiths Volume Two, The Very Best Of The Smiths, and The Smiths: The Singles."

I bet if Morrissey was anywhere near Bowie's stature, he'd be re-releasing his old stuff with the same regularity.



pablopicasso
(cracked actor)
05/21/04 10:12 AM
Re: The Idiot (Morrissey calls Bowie "A Business") new [re: BigFatDog]  

If Bowie was such a business, I reckon we would have at least TM2, Buddah, Live and Stage easily available.

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poorsoul
(acolyte)
05/22/04 02:47 AM
Moog new [re: pablopicasso]  

Apart from the fact that it's really only the dedicated fans who even know of their existence. The last two might be headed for rerelease this year but only in a frustratingly limited format, although that in itself begs the question of how greedy he really is. Surely if he wanted more money they would be released just as standard CDs.

I think the main proof of the argument lies in the fact of the selectivity of these reissues, like the 30th anniversary range, with their "rare" bonus tracks which, in the case of Ziggy, was manufactured specifcially for the release, and in most other cases are simply edits which anyone with the right software could make on their own. However, there is the counterclaim that he could just have easily released truly rare material on them to encourage more fans to buy them.

Perhaps that's the issue, how he treats his fans with regard to what they'd like to see released. Obviously he wants to make money from his music (what musician doesn't) but how interested is he in keeping the hardcore fans happy when he knows they'll pretty much buy anything anyway?

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The_Omen
(wild eyed peoploid)
05/24/04 10:52 PM
Re: The Idiot (Morrissey calls Bowie "A Business") new [re: tonyinsf]  

Can anyone be surprised that Morrissey is still a baby? He's be whining for 20 years. He's just an annoyance.

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christiancode
(grinning soul)
05/25/04 09:14 AM
Re: Singles - cool again when Bowie says so new [re: Dara]  

nowadays video production is not as expensive as it used to be, and a tasteful concoction of live footage (of which there's plenty thanks to dublin, berlin, cologne and several area 2 filmings) wouldn't cost a thing and could get bowie back on the music channels.

rock singles (as opposed to dance singles) are not released to increase profits to my knowledge, they are mere promotional tools to help sell an album, as are videos. i thought the enhanced new killer star cd single was a good idea, although poorly executed (boring video, no audio feature of the song). so ONE well promoted single release before the actual album launch would be a good idea, anything else is just a waste of time and money. the closest (and cheapest) that bowie has gotten to promote reality on tv is the vitel spot.



Max_M
(kook)
05/25/04 03:22 PM
Re: Singles - cool again when Bowie says so new [re: christiancode]  

Oh yes, he's happy to whore out his name to everyone from Vitel to Audi to Calvin Klein these days. There's even that god awful mix of "Heroes" on the Wanadoo (Freeserve) advert.

And I hope Morrisey's singles success does show his record label and Bowie that it's possible. I get so tired of older celebs like George Michael, Bowie and Mick Hucknall using their age as an excuse if they have one flop single. It clearly is possible if they just get the right song and promote it a bit.



Diamond_Dave
(cracked actor)
05/26/04 11:42 PM
Re: Oh, PLEASE. new [re: ziggfried]  

I suspect you need to take off you Bowie glasses and see the DD 30th for what it is. I complete rip off for the fans. Just as the Ziggy and AS 30th releases and the re-issue of all his back catalugue....AGAIN....in 99 and the pathetic S+V box set from last year.

If half of you people stepped outside the "Bowie can do no wrong" circle you will see where Morrissey is coming from.

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tonyinsf
(electric tomato)
05/27/04 01:24 AM
Re: Oh, PLEASE. new [re: Diamond_Dave]  

So what if Bowie is a business? We all have our business, some are just better at it than others. Morrissey is also a business, he's just sick this week and could not make the late show he was suppose to be on all this week to flog his new album.





ziggfried
(acolyte)
05/27/04 11:06 AM
HELLO?? new [re: Diamond_Dave]  

In reply to:

I suspect you need to take off you Bowie glasses and see the DD 30th for what it is. I complete rip off for the fans. Just as the Ziggy and AS 30th releases and the re-issue of all his back catalugue....AGAIN....in 99 and the pathetic S+V box set from last year.


Where the hell are you coming from?? Bowie glasses?? I've bitched and moaned about the onslaught of useless Bowie re-releases more than anyone on these messageboards. I've stayed away from such CDs and in fact I'm heartily sick of talking about how useless this new DD release is...Maybe you've been away...?

In reply to:

If half of you people stepped outside the "Bowie can do no wrong" circle you will see where Morrissey is coming from.


What about all this "Bowie was only relevant by accident" crap?? Do you believe that?? Or can you even admit that perhaps your Morrissey sycophancy is equal to the Bowie-slavery displayed by others here??

I'm not saying that Bowie isn't a business. But I am saying that Morrissey tends to sound like a prat.

By the way, I assume you saw Bowie live recently, so can I ask you: were you yawning your head off?


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