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dukewhite
(stealing for that one good rush)
05/18/04 10:47 AM
Dublin DVD Tracklisting and Release Date  

September 13 appears to be the release date, though no official word from Sony yet that I can find. That's almost exactly a year from when Reality itself came out.

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1. Rebel Rebel
2. New Killer Star
3. Reality
4. Fame
5. Cactus
6. Afraid
7. All the Young Dudes
8. China Girl
9. The Loneliest Guy
10. The Man Who Sold the World
11. Hallo Spaceboy
12. Sunday
13. Under Pressure
14. Life on Mars?
15. Ashes to Ashes
16. The Motel
17. Loving the Alien
18. Never Get Old
19. Changes
20. I'm Afraid of Americans
21. "Heroes"
22. Bring Me the Disco King
23. Slip Away
24. Heathen
25. Five Years
26. Hang On To Yourself
27. Ziggy Stardust

DVD 2 contains a documentary plus 4 eastereggs

I'll be seeing YOU in New York, Detroit, Philadelphia, Boston, Kansas City, St. Louis, Washington DC, Moline, Columbus, Wantagh, and Holmdel. So dress sharp.

pablopicasso
(cracked actor)
05/18/04 10:49 AM
Re: Dublin DVD Tracklisting and Release Date new [re: dukewhite]  

This is going to be the best live release EVER by Bowie, i am so excited about this.

Believe everything I say,especially the lies.



Cassiel
(wild eyed peoploid)
05/18/04 11:27 AM
Re: Dublin DVD Tracklisting and Release Date new [re: pablopicasso]  

It will be something very special if and when it ever arrives.

However, Duke White, your tracklisting seems just to be the setlist for the first night. Does this mean that nothing from the second night's filming will be included?

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Edited by Cassiel on 05/18/04 11:30 AM (server time).



dukewhite
(stealing for that one good rush)
05/18/04 11:43 AM
Re: Dublin DVD Tracklisting and Release Date new [re: Cassiel]  

I copied the setlist from a news post on BWW and if you follow the link, you'll see that they don't officially say what the setlist is. That said, nothing played the first night was not repeated the next, so I have a feeling they were making sure to get two takes of everything they wanted on the DVD, with a few extras for those fans who were at both shows. The listing above may not be 100% correct, but I'd wager it's very close to what it will actually be, give or take a few songs.

I'll be seeing YOU in New York, Detroit, Philadelphia, Boston, Kansas City, St. Louis, Washington DC, Moline, Columbus, Wantagh, and Holmdel. So dress sharp.

Dara
(acolyte)
05/18/04 11:44 AM
Re: Dublin DVD Tracklisting and Release Date new [re: Cassiel]  

In reply to:

However, Duke White, your tracklisting seems just to be the setlist for the first night. Does this mean that nothing from the second night's filming will be included?


I imagine they'll mix the two nights, depending on which take they think is better. Bowie repeated all 27 songs the second night, effectively giving them two versions of everything to choose from, and he and the band were dressed identically both nights.

Slan libh,

Dara

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Cassiel
(wild eyed peoploid)
05/18/04 12:02 PM
Credit me with some intelligence, please. new [re: dukewhite]  

I did follow the link; that was why I raised the question in the first place.

The second night features a number of songs not performed on the first that I would very much like to see on the DVD (Battle for Britain (The Letter)) for example. Is there any information available anywhere as to whether these will make it onto the finished product?

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dukewhite
(stealing for that one good rush)
05/18/04 12:13 PM
Re: Credit me with some intelligence, please. new [re: Cassiel]  

There is still no official word from Sony about this, so that site is the only information we have at this point. There is someone on BWW who claims to work for Sony and has released valid information in the past (though I don't go there often enough to know who it is) so this might be accurate, it might not.

I have a feeling, like Dara said, that the DVD will contain the better take of all the songs from the first night, and that none or few of the 2nd night songs will be on the DVD, but either way, it should be a great disc.

And it is confirmed (Bowie's 4-29-04 journal entry) that several of the VirtualTicket behind the scenes films that Antony made for BNet will show up as extra features!

I'd love for the DVD to also contain a list of all the shows on the tour with their setlists and possibly reviews and pictures. If there's really a second disc, they'll have a lot of space to fill, and the VT movies won't even come close to that.

I'll be seeing YOU in New York, Detroit, Philadelphia, Boston, Kansas City, St. Louis, Washington DC, Moline, Columbus, Wantagh, and Holmdel. So dress sharp.

EJSundayModerator
(acolyte)
05/18/04 12:28 PM
Swearing In Films new [re: Dara]  

In reply to:

I imagine they'll mix the two nights, depending on which take they think is better.


They certainly will. They probably followed different directing concepts each night as well to get a greater visual variety.

But with "China Girl" they won't have much of a choice - I don't think they will release the one where he sings "Jimmy - why don't you just shut the fuck up".

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Cassiel
(wild eyed peoploid)
05/18/04 12:37 PM
Re: Swearing In Films new [re: EJSunday]  

In reply to:

I don't think they will release the one where he sings "Jimmy - why don't you just shut the fuck up"


Why not? Sounds like the prime cut to me. Thanks for the info above dukewhite.

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EJSundayModerator
(acolyte)
05/18/04 12:52 PM
Re: Swearing In Films new [re: Cassiel]  

I don't think Bowie likes the prospect of having the DVD banned in Britain. But they could include it on the continental version. I'd like that.

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dukewhite
(stealing for that one good rush)
05/18/04 01:04 PM
Re: Swearing In Films new [re: EJSunday]  

Would it really be banned just for having profanity? Certainly there are DVD's released of movies that contain the dreaded "F" word. Why would a concert be any different?

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EJSundayModerator
(acolyte)
05/18/04 01:22 PM
Most Famous English Word Denied By Its Inventors new [re: dukewhite]  

You are right, banned is probably too much but they would certainly put some "PG" sticker or whatever on it. And the stores wouldn't play it in the shops. But that's just Britain.

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Cassiel
(wild eyed peoploid)
05/18/04 02:11 PM
Re: Most Famous English Word Denied By Its Invento new [re: EJSunday]  

In these days of Eamon and Frankee topping the singles charts I doubt very much that an off the cuff, f-word in the middle of a song is going to seriously affect the DVD's sales. I can't imagine that Eminem's or Metallica's DVD's are expletive free and they seem to sell well enough.

In Glasgow, though, he did use the word "motherfuckers", frequently when talking about the crowd. I don't know if that was the case in Dublin as well.

As far as playing it in stores goes, in every major music chain shop I've been in lately they either have some appalling, interminable in-house, radio station playing or CD's completely unrelated to whatevers showing on the video screens - so, again, can't see it making much of a difference.

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Max_M
(wild eyed peoploid)
05/18/04 03:27 PM
Re: Most Famous English Word Denied By Its Invento new [re: Cassiel]  

Didn't he call Gail a bald cunt at one concert?

What's the setlist for the 2nd Dublin night? I was hoping Modern Love would be included. I really like this version he does these days.



bowiefanpeter
(acolyte)
05/18/04 04:11 PM
Re: Dublin DVD Tracklisting and Release Date new [re: dukewhite]  

If everything here is to be believed, I have to say I'm quite happy with this tracklisting. The DVD should do quite well when put on sale.

The setlist is a good representation of the tour, 5 from Reality, 5 from Heathen, bunch of hits, and a handful of songs that only got rare outings on the tour. I saw the tour 4 times and there is still 4-5 songs here I didn't see live.

What's really cool about the tracklisting is that there is only minor overlap with the 83 and 87 videos. There is also similar overlaps with other DB tours like the 70's or 90's. Are there more live DVD's coming ala Neil Young, Queen or Bjork?

Anybody else got any good idea for bonuses? Slip Away with PS? Fashion from 1st week of tour? Zoot Suit? Songs debuted later? Hope the Documentary is going to be about 45 minutes long and show footage of all the interesting ups and downs from the tour. There is footage from every Bowie performance, and there were people videotaping backstage likely at most shows.

I do think this DVD is serious and likely to happen. AFAIK, it's the only time he has ever profiessionally filmed back to back nights of a tour. He made sure that everything was top quality.

BFP



Nature_Boy
(electric tomato)
05/18/04 04:57 PM
Re: Dublin DVD Tracklisting and Release Date new [re: dukewhite]  

Released on my birthday? how cool is that!!! Dear mum and dad, please could i have the money to go and buy...

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dukewhite
(stealing for that one good rush)
05/18/04 09:57 PM
Easter Egg Songs new [re: dukewhite]  

Apparently there will be four easter egg tracks on disc 2, which will contain a documentary as well. The tracks are:

01 5:15 The Angels Have Gone
02 Days
03 Battle For Britain (The Letter)
04 Fall Dog Bombs The Moon

These were a few of the additional songs added on the second night in Dublin. I hope they can get some of the songs that were added later and/or not played (Low tracks, Quicksand, Starman, Supermen, and Station to Station) at least in the documentary.




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sonofsilence
(acolyte)
05/19/04 04:37 AM
Re: Easter Egg Songs new [re: dukewhite]  

This DVD sounds great. I wonder if they'll release iton CD aswell.

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Soulman
(crash course raver)
05/19/04 06:30 AM
Re: Dublin DVD Tracklisting and Release Date new [re: dukewhite]  

Well it certainly sounds interesting.

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zigbot
(crash course raver)
05/19/04 06:41 PM
Re: Dublin DVD Tracklisting and Release Date new [re: dukewhite]  

Not bad. Still a lot that isnt' on there, but I'm happy with what is.

Anyone know if this will be a Region Zero DVD? Also, will it be NTSB or PAL? Us yanks wanna watch our Bowie on a big TV screen, and not just a little computer screen. Anyone know?

zigbot

poorsoul
(acolyte)
05/20/04 01:27 AM
Mistake new [re: zigbot]  

They got the Best Of Bowie out alright, didn't they? It was just Black Tie White Noise that suffered from poor planning.

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th0mas
(acolyte)
05/20/04 04:33 AM
Re: Easter Egg Songs new [re: dukewhite]  

In reply to:

Apparently there will be four easter egg tracks on disc 2


i never understood the idea behind hiding eastereggs when you tell which and how many they are. it was a nice feature on the first dvds where you got something unexpected, outtakes etc. which were substandard compared to the average content but still funny to find. but simply hiding some extras one could expect anyway does not make them more special or more worth buying.

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EJSundayModerator
(acolyte)
05/20/04 09:38 AM
Who Wants That? new [re: th0mas]  

I have said before: I don't pay loads of money for DVDs to search for the stuff that's on it. Complete nonsense and not entertaining at all.

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In the madness that calls 'now'


dukewhite
(stealing for that one good rush)
05/20/04 11:54 AM
Re: Who Wants That? new [re: EJSunday]  

The point of hte Easter Eggs is not so much to "make you look for it" but as a bonus to fans. Casual fans who pick it up will most likely not have read these reports on Bowie message boards and thus will not get this added material. It's like a bonus track for people who earn it.

The reason these songs are not just being incorporated into the main set of disc 1 is that they will be edited together completely with the small black and white cameras that are stationary and possitioned on each band member. They are said to have a "more underground feel."

I'll be seeing YOU in New York, Detroit, Philadelphia, Boston, Kansas City, St. Louis, Washington DC, Moline, Columbus, Wantagh, and Holmdel. So dress sharp.

sonofsilence
(acolyte)
05/20/04 12:07 PM
Re: Who Wants That? new [re: EJSunday]  

In reply to:

I have said before: I don't pay loads of money for DVDs to search for the stuff that's on it. Complete nonsense and not entertaining at all.


didnt your parents ever have treasure hunts for you when you were a kid, searching was half the fun.

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SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
05/20/04 12:10 PM
Re: Who Wants That? new [re: sonofsilence]  

But having to play a DVD through just to see one alternate take is a bit excessive (BoB).

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EJSundayModerator
(acolyte)
05/20/04 12:22 PM
Re: Who Wants That? new [re: sonofsilence]  

In reply to:

searching was half the fun.


Yeah, but searching for the same thing over and over again is nonsense. Once found it should stay with you.

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AdamAdministrator
(acolyte)
05/20/04 12:34 PM
Interesting new [re: EJSunday]  

I think Peter Gabriel had the solution on his first CD-ROM. Basically, at some point when you had done enough searching, a little animated Gabriel would appear congratulating you and offering presents (effectively a bunch of computer files, icons, wallpapers, etc) that are unencoded from the CD and placed on your hard drive. Now whether DVD technology has enough compute power to determine whether certain Easter Eggs have been found and then automatically add them to a Main Index? That might be cool.

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EJSundayModerator
(acolyte)
05/20/04 12:41 PM
Re: Interesting new [re: Adam]  

Yeah, Peter Gabriel is a clever man. Shame his music isn't better.

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Max_M
(wild eyed peoploid)
05/20/04 12:43 PM
Re: Who Wants That? new [re: Sysiyo]  

In reply to:

But having to play a DVD through just to see one alternate take is a bit excessive (BoB).



Having to wait 5 minutes each time I want to hear the Miracle Goodnight remix is frustrating as well. Easter Egg's are ok if you just need to move left on a menu or something simple.



pablopicasso
(cracked actor)
05/20/04 12:53 PM
Re: Who Wants That? new [re: Max_M]  

There is a way around all this rigmarole you know, I found all the bowie easter eggs on day one without hardly any effort.

Believe everything I say,especially the lies.



sonofsilence
(acolyte)
05/20/04 01:25 PM
Re: Who Wants That? new [re: EJSunday]  

In reply to:

Once found it should stay with you.


true, point taken.

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Tristan
(acolyte)
05/20/04 01:29 PM
Where's that Easter Egg basket? new [re: EJSunday]  

In reply to:

Complete nonsense and not entertaining at all.


I haven't bothered looking for any Easter Eggs.

In reply to:

[pablopicasso] There is a way around all this rigmarole you know, I found all the bowie easter eggs on day one without hardly any effort.


And?


If you don't have anything nice to say, go to London and say it in front of 2000 people. NM.

pablopicasso
(cracked actor)
05/20/04 01:38 PM
Re: Where's that Easter Egg basket? new [re: Tristan]  

Sorry, I was having my tea.
I just experimented by putting random numbers to select tracks and got the easter eggs eventually, in the credits it gives credits for them so I knew when I had found them all

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bowiefanpeter
(acolyte)
05/20/04 05:05 PM
Re: Where's that Easter Egg basket? new [re: pablopicasso]  

Is the DVD concert going to be 16x9(widescreen)?

Is Visconti involved in the live recording aspect of this concert? He's done quite a number of Bowie related discs lately.

I'm just happy that we finally get to hear a properly recorded 5.1 mix live Bowie concert.

BFP



SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
05/20/04 05:06 PM
Re: Where's that Easter Egg basket? new [re: pablopicasso]  

Not all of us have DVD players in our computar machines.

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dukewhite
(stealing for that one good rush)
05/20/04 05:11 PM
Re: Where's that Easter Egg basket? new [re: bowiefanpeter]  

In reply to:

Is Visconti involved in the live recording aspect of this concert?



I just read somewhere in the last day or so (and it might be just a rumor) that he has just finished work or is currently working on a Bowie live DVD/CD. I assume this is the Reality Tour DVD as he has said that work is completed on Stage and David Live. I was not aware of plans to release a new live CD, but it seems logical, since they have good audio recordings of at least the Dublin concerts. The Columbia Promo of the concert sounded amazing.

I'll be seeing YOU in New York, Detroit, Philadelphia, Boston, Kansas City, St. Louis, Washington DC, Moline, Columbus, Wantagh, and Holmdel. So dress sharp.

pablopicasso
(cracked actor)
05/20/04 05:23 PM
Re: Where's that Easter Egg basket? new [re: Sysiyo]  

Neither have I, I just used my DVD player.

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dukewhite
(stealing for that one good rush)
05/20/04 05:26 PM
Re: Where's that Easter Egg basket? new [re: Sysiyo]  

In reply to:

Not all of us have DVD players in our computar machines.



Most DVD players have chapter select options that can be accessed through the player itself and not the DVD menus. It's usually something you have to get to through the remote. I know it can be done without using the computer, as I did that when I first got the DVD's last year.

I'll be seeing YOU in New York, Detroit, Philadelphia, Boston, Kansas City, St. Louis, Washington DC, Moline, Columbus, Wantagh, and Holmdel. So dress sharp.

pablopicasso
(cracked actor)
05/20/04 05:26 PM
Re: Where's that Easter Egg basket? new [re: dukewhite]  

I would doubt very much that they would release a Live album, it is just something that doesn't seem to happen much these days, the last time I can remember a simultaneous DVD/CD release was Muse with Hullaballoo.
I agree about the Columbia Promo (if it was such?), that is a great disc and I got some real good trades out of that disc.

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RabbitFighter
(acolyte)
05/20/04 05:34 PM
Re: Where's that Easter Egg basket? new [re: pablopicasso]  

In reply to:

it is just something that doesn't seem to happen much these days


Which is a fucking shame really.

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th0mas
(acolyte)
05/20/04 05:59 PM
Re: Interesting new [re: Adam]  

In reply to:

Know whether DVD technology has enough compute power to determine whether certain Easter Eggs have been found and then automatically add them to a Main Index?


it not a question of compute power since dvd players have some variables which can be set and branch the dvd in different directions, just like "follow the white rabbit" on matrix. but it is not possible to keep them when ejecting the disc.

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Diamond_Dave
(cracked actor)
05/20/04 07:58 PM
Re: Who Wants That? new [re: Sysiyo]  

I kow a casual fan who got the BOB for a b'day gift and he had no idea about the easter eggs so I guess it is cool in some respects that we have the eggs but yes they are a pain.

I've noticed some DVD's now have stickers on the front that say the DVD has easter eggs on it.

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poorsoul
(acolyte)
05/21/04 01:59 AM
Spalding new [re: pablopicasso]  

In reply to:

I would doubt very much that they would release a Live album, it is just something that doesn't seem to happen much these days, the last time I can remember a simultaneous DVD/CD release was Muse with Hullaballoo.



Nine Inch Nails, Rammstein and Rage Against The Machine and Gary Numan have all released joint live CDs and DVDs/videos. Except for the last, the DVDs have either equalled or surpassed the CDs in terms of content.

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sonofsilence
(acolyte)
05/21/04 04:14 AM
Re: Spalding new [re: poorsoul]  

In reply to:

Nine Inch Nails, Rammstein and Rage Against The Machine and Gary Numan have all released joint live CDs and DVDs/videos. Except for the last, the DVDs have either equalled or surpassed the CDs in terms of


Also there's Robbie Williams....rock on

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pablopicasso
(stardust savant)
07/23/04 04:25 PM
Re: Swearing In Films new [re: EJSunday]  

This is the latest track listing posted for this DVD, and China girl is notably missing.


01 Rebel Rebel
02 New Killer Star
03 Reality
04 Fame
05 Cactus
06 Sister Midnight
07 Afraid
08 All The Young Dudes
09 Be My Wife
10 The Loneliest Guy
11 The Man Who Sold The World
12 Fantastic Voyage
13 Hallo Spaceboy
14 Sunday
15 Under Pressure
16 Life On Mars?
17 Battle For Britain
18 Ashes To Ashes
19 The Motel
20 Loving The Alien
21 Never Get Old
22 Changes
23 I'm Afraid Of Americans
24 "Heroes"
25 Bring Me The Disco King
26 Slip Away
27 Heathen
28 Five Years
29 Hang On To Yourself
30 Ziggy Stardust




jump93
(kook)
07/23/04 05:17 PM
Re: Swearing In Films new [re: pablopicasso]  

China Girl wont be missed that much by me.
I am very glad that The Motel is still in the tracklisting.

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krettis
(crash course raver)
07/24/04 05:17 AM
Re: Swearing In Films new [re: jump93]  

COo.<

So the motel is on it yay!
Can't wait!



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Nature_Boy
(electric tomato)
07/24/04 05:49 AM
Re: Swearing In Films new [re: pablopicasso]  

Great to see some of the more obscure tracks like Be My Wife, Sister Midnight and Fantastic Voyage incorporated.

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ArdentDesir
(kook)
07/24/04 06:12 AM
Re: Interesting new [re: EJSunday]  

What?
Even BETTER??
That would put him in the same league as Bowie?
:P



Max_M
(kook)
07/24/04 07:04 AM
Re: Swearing In Films new [re: pablopicasso]  

Well I for one hope he includes China Girl. At least the production's been changed big time, which is more than can be said about bloody Rebel Rebel.

And no Little Wonder?

pablopicasso
(stardust savant)
07/24/04 07:10 AM
Re: Swearing In Films new [re: Max_M]  

I mentioned China girl specifically because there was debate earlier in the thread about the fact he sings "Oh Baby, Just shut the fuck up!" and whether it would be censored to appease the British board of censors.
As Nature Boy states there is a good amount of obscure tracks on this DVD and this combined with having some well known songs as well should make most people very happy. It will be nice to finally have an official version of Sister midnight, after 28 years.

Little Wonder was not performed at all on this tour so that is no suprise.

I agree with the above statement.

diamondogz74
(acolyte)
07/24/04 07:23 AM
Re: Swearing In Films new [re: pablopicasso]  

In reply to:

I mentioned China girl specifically because there was debate earlier in the thread about the fact he sings "Oh Baby, Just shut the fuck up!" and whether it would be censored to appease the British board of censors.


Yeah I think thats the reason too, plus it will need a 15 ratings with expletives thats our PC life now.

I for one agree with Jump93, im sick to the back gums of "China Girl"


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BigFatDog
(grinning soul)
07/24/04 08:50 AM
Re: Swearing In Films new [re: Max_M]  

In reply to:

And no Little Wonder?


I have tried and tried, but I cannot see the appeal with the song. It's just crap! I like Earthling, albeit in small doses, but Little Wonder does very, very little for me.

Anyone care to enlighten me as to why the song is generally known as being a good one, when quite clearly it is far from it?



diamondogz74
(acolyte)
07/24/04 01:02 PM
Its NO wonder. new [re: BigFatDog]  

In reply to:

Anyone care to enlighten me as to why the song is generally known as being a good one, when quite clearly it is far from it?


Why exactly do you dislike the song so much ?

Persoanally I see it as a rather good laugh, its that cockney voice again, that has me in fits of giggles, there's also some good mixes around, perhaps you should listen to them.

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SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
07/24/04 01:43 PM
Cue the thread in Site Feedback new [re: BigFatDog]  

In reply to:

Anyone care to enlighten me as to why the song is generally known as being a good one, when quite clearly it is far from it?


I would love to say something in defence of this song (it is, in my opinion, rather magnificient), but I can't really think of anything . If you don't get it, then you don't get it. Earthling in general requires a certain state of mind and a certain general disposition from the listener. If it does nothing for you, then that's that.

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zigbot
(cracked actor)
07/24/04 06:11 PM
Re: Swearing In Films new [re: pablopicasso]  

In reply to:

I mentioned China girl specifically because there was debate earlier in the thread about the fact he sings "Oh Baby, Just shut the fuck up!" and whether it would be censored to appease the British board of censors.


But I'm Afraid of Americans is in there, so I guess the British Board of Censors is o.k. with "pussy" but not "fuck"? Don't the British do like in the U.S. and just slap a warning sticker on anything that has excessively harsh language?

As a side note, I've YET to see a Bowie album or DVD with that warning. Amid a sea of rappers who use "fuck" as noun, verb, adjective and conjunction, Bowie's occasional swearing doesn't raise any censors eyebrows around these here parts.

zigbot

pablopicasso
(stardust savant)
07/24/04 06:21 PM
Re: Swearing In Films new [re: zigbot]  

The British censors would probably think he was singing about his cat.

I agree with the above statement.

poorsoul
(acolyte)
07/24/04 09:53 PM
WTF? new [re: zigbot]  

In reply to:

Don't the British do like in the U.S. and just slap a warning sticker on anything that has excessively harsh language?



Since it's a DVD release, it has to abide by the regulations set down for video material. Therefore, in order to gain an exemption from classification (which mainstream musicians like to go for, it seems - and which is, strictly speaking, a classification itself) it can't have any material which could be deemed even remotely offensive to anyone. This is why the Best Of Bowie featured censored versions of I'm Afraid Of Americans, Day-In Day-Out, Loving The Alien and China Girl. CDs, on the otherhand, could be filled with expletives and the most that would happen is that they'd put a little sticker on it warning people it contains rude words.

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Claude
(big brother)
07/25/04 05:55 AM
Re: Swearing In Films new [re: pablopicasso]  

I can't wait for this DVD! It will be fantastic!!!

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BigFatDog
(grinning soul)
07/25/04 06:46 AM
Re: Its NO wonder. new [re: diamondogz74]  

If a single's only highlight is that it makes you giggle because he does a funny voice then I don't think that's a fantastic foundation for building admiration for a song.

I'd have loved to see Station To Station sneak itself into one of the easter eggs perhaps, or a bonus disk, and perhaps Queen Bitch as well, but of course a DVD isn't done overnight so newer material would be difficult to add, edit etc. at such a relatively short notice.

Don't get me wrong though, this is a truely fantastic DVD.

I wouldn't be suprised to see it come in yet another version of Reality or 1.Outside either



Max_M
(kook)
07/25/04 09:43 AM
Re: Its NO wonder. new [re: BigFatDog]  

Not to say the song isn't great, because it is, but I think it's the whole era and events surrounding Little Wonder that meant a lot to many of us. While others from Bowie's era were happy to rehash the same stuff they'd been doing since the 70s Bowie was the only one moving forward and saying "screw you" to agist types who didn't think veteran singers should be doing contemporary sounding music. I gained a lot of respect for him for doing that.

Also, Little Wonder, along with Hallo Spaceboy, got a lot of us younger fans in to him (I am 20) The 'safe' albums like Hours... and Reality certainly wouldn't have made me stand up and take notice.

As for the song itself, I guess it's one of those songs you either love or you hate. I love it because the mixture of Prodigy-style drum 'n' bass and hard rock (the "sending me so far away" bit) was very unique at the time, as were the lyrics. I enjoy the more off-beat and quirky Bowie's songs that make you think "What on earth is he singing about?!" That's why African Night Flights is also a favourite of mine.



bowieboy
(kook)
07/25/04 12:06 PM
Re: Its NO wonder. new [re: Max_M]  

I have to say what a Great Explanation that was Max_M! I too have a soft spot for Bowie's more Off-beat songs, Scary Monsters comes to mind! I love Dead Man Walking on Earthling, in my opinion, the best track. As for Little Wonder I love it. The so far away bit, as you said, is brilliant!

"There will be no foolish wand waving or silly incantations in this class." ~ Professor Severus Snape

HopFrog
(mortal with potential)
07/28/04 01:53 AM
Re: Its NO wonder. new [re: bowieboy]  

Oh you lot are so slow... ...so I'll post it. It looks very pretty indeed, especially considering it's another Rex Ray cover:


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pablopicasso
(stardust savant)
07/28/04 03:12 AM
disappointing new [re: HopFrog]  

Just a single DVD, with no extras, they are really spoiling us. Such a wasted opportunity.

I agree with the above statement.

diamondogz74
(acolyte)
07/28/04 06:29 AM
Part of Its Magic. new [re: BigFatDog]  

In reply to:

If a single's only highlight is that it makes you giggle because he does a funny voice then I don't think that's a fantastic foundation for building admiration for a song.

I'd have loved to see Station To Station sneak itself into one of the easter eggs perhaps, or a bonus disk, and perhaps Queen Bitch as well, but of course a DVD isn't done overnight so newer material would be difficult to add, edit etc. at such a relatively short notice.

Don't get me wrong though, this is a truely fantastic DVD.


Well Its not just because It makes me giggle, It's all part and parcel of the song, much in the same way that "Buddha Of Suburbia" takes us back to a former incarnation IMO.

Im sure when you've been a Bowie fan long enuff ( and Im making NO jokes here at your expense, I assure you ) you will hear lots of little traits from past personas.

And YES STS should be on the DVD, Im in total agreement with you.

FAB cover too

And it really doesn't matter if im wrong
I'm right


London Bye Ta-Ta...

SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
07/28/04 10:30 AM
Re: Its NO wonder. new [re: HopFrog]  

The cover is very pretty... certainly the best thing to ever come from Rex Ray.

I'm actually glad there are no easter eggs, as they're such a nuisance to find, and that it's only one disc, as it gives a more complete 'concert' experience. Extras would have been nice, yes, but I'm more than satisfied with what we're given as it is.

And as for the inclusion of Station to Station... it wasn't played in either of the Dublin gigs. It is possible no filmed version of that exist. Even in the case one does exist, I would find it a little pointless to include one track from a different venue.

Of course, they could have released a compilation of all the 61 (according to Bassman) tracks played during the tour. But this isn't a compilation of the entire tour.

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BigFatDog
(grinning soul)
07/28/04 12:44 PM
Some kind of glow new [re: Sysiyo]  

In reply to:

And as for the inclusion of Station to Station... it wasn't played in either of the Dublin gigs.

Even in the case one does exist, I would find it a little pointless to include one track from a different venue.

I'm actually glad there are no easter eggs


Well if there were easter eggs or extras, they couldn't possibly use them from the same gig because they'd have already, obviously, been used...or are you suggesting that they omit songs from the set and use them as extras or easter eggs?

All i was suggesting was if there were to be easter eggs, which actually there very well could be due to the fact theyre rarely advertised, Station To Station or something like that would be a very welcomed treat.

In reply to:

It is possible no filmed version of that exist




Interesting, does anyone know if at gigs, when Bowie is on the big screen if his image is merely projected or recorded also?



SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
07/28/04 01:51 PM
Repeat. new [re: BigFatDog]  

No, as I said I'm suggesting not putting in easter eggs at all because I find them annoying.

And as for including songs from those two gigs... The DVD includes (if I'm not too much mistaking) the 26 songs played on both nights, plus four songs played on the second night only (Sister Midnight, Be My Wife, Fantastic Voyage, Battle For Britain). There were 27 songs played on the first night, and 35 on the second night. If they want to include easter eggs, they could put in the four other second night only -songs (Days, Fall Dog Bombs The Moon, Breaking Glass, 5:15 The Angels Have Gone, plus possibly China Girl. The four songs are inclidentally the ones listed as possible disc 2 eater eggs by dukewhite earlier in this thread). But again, I would rather see no easter eggs at all, just a good, solid showcasing on the Dublin concert.

I don't oppose including songs from other gigs, but if that is done I feel it should then be a complete showcasing of all the songs played on the Reality tour.

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