I was told that the album has been re-mixed and re-cut by Tony Visconti for a 30th Anniversary release in the Fall. Is this true? Has anyone else heard anything about this release?

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I spoke with Tony about this and the rerelease of Stage recently and he said they're in the can and just awaiting an official release from the label. He's currently working on the 5.1 audio of the A Reality Tour DVD as well as the accompanying live 2-disc set.

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Good news!

If Bowie is willing to remix/remodel I wonder what will happen to the cover of the album. Will they airbrush fat onto the picture?

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LOL! air brush fat! very funny. What exactly does re-cut mean? Does it mean they are going to change the order of the tracks? I hope not, I hate when this is done, it loses all consistency. I do Hope they put a cooler cover on there though.

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Visconti say that both the 74 and 78 live albums are done in 5.1 and sitting in the can. Both will be full concert running order.

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I spoke with Tony about this and the rerelease of Stage recently and he said they're in the can and just awaiting an official release from the label. He's currently working on the 5.1 audio of the A Reality Tour DVD as well as the accompanying live 2-disc set.

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Well this is exciting news Duke, im very chuffed

How long you been on speaking terms with Tony Visconti ? sorry to appear nosey.

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Visconti say that both the 74 and 78 live albums are done in 5.1 and sitting in the can. Both will be full concert running order.

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Good news indeed , and congratulations on becoming the "Voyeur" a really nice title

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Visconti say that both the 74 and 78 live albums are done in 5.1 and sitting in the can. Both will be full concert running order.

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I suppose the one that would really gain from it is Stage, especially if it is remixed from scratch to sound more like a concert recording.

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What makes the "Stage" re-release even more wowrthwhile is the return of the original set list on the album. Hope Visconti stays to this promise.

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don't forget to lobby tony for the inclusion of Panic in Detroit!

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I should hope so!! It's the best thing 'not' on the album if you get what I mean. The live Panic In Detroit is outstanding, and its a crime that it was omitted!!

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Don't forget to lobby Tony for the inclusion of Panic in Detroit!

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I think you'll find that won't be necessary.

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What makes the "Stage" re-release even more wowrthwhile is the return of the original set list on the album. Hope Visconti stays to this promise.

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that'll be great .because it will also make the original Stage album a collectors item. expecially if he mixes it properly and makes it sound like a "real" concert.

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that'll be great .because it will also make the original Stage album a collectors item. expecially if he mixes it properly and makes it sound like a "real" concert.

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Tony has always said he liked the way the Stage album was rearranged, so i'd be surprised if he changes it back to the original running order.

I can't wait for David live though, It's been my favourite album for as long as I can remember. Can't wait to hear it in 5.1 and I hope the all the dialogue from the shows are restored.

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Tony has always said he liked the way the Stage album was rearranged, so i'd be surprised if he changes it back to the original running order.

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I think it was dukewhite who had the information about the original track order being restored from Visconti himself.


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I wonder if this release of Stage will include the original artwork(rather than the grainy fanshot cover) that has, IIRC, never been seen.

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I quite like the grainy fanshot. But I'd be happy with it either way. Because it's probably Bowie's best album (with the flow restored, that is).

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I love that Cover!

A new cover would be nice, because let's face it, this will be a new album.

Then we will get people bemoaning the fact that you cannot get the orginal version

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I only said it would be neat if they added the unused cover in the STAGE booklet. It's not yet fully known if these albums will be presented as new albums or just rejigged versions of the 70's ones.

Bowie has changed album covers before, like 5 different times.

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I think it was dukewhite who had the information about the original track order being restored from Visconti himself.

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Yes, you are correct. I corresponded with Tony via email and then met him at a concert at CBGB's for another artist he's currently working with, and he confirmed that the order will be returned to the concert running order. He said, and I'm paraphrasing here, that one reason it was originally released with a chronological tracklisting was that the songs fit better on the LP's that way. With vinyl, there were time constraints to what would physically fit on an album side that are significantly less than those on CD. As far as the "real concert" feel, I don't think that will be restored, as it's not on the original masters. The audio from the "Stage" shows was recorded at studio quality, hence Visconti's love for the album and its sound quality, and this meant that the crowd noise was not so much mixed out, but was never picked up by the microphones in the first place. This is conjecture on my part, but it seems logical based on what I've read of the recording and mixing process of the album.

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this meant that the crowd noise was not so much mixed out, but was never picked up by the microphones in the first place.

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The album's other big mistake.

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They could always mix in the crowd from a Faces live album.

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I like the absence of crowd noise. It makes the live arrangement much clearer. On bootlegs, one is considered better quality if there is no or little crowd noise, so why should the opposite be true of an official live release?

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It is the balance, in a bootleg the recorder is usually in the crowd so the crowd is high in the mix, to the expense of the music on times. But hearing the crowd enjoying themselves between songs and singing along to something like All the young dudes on the Dublin "promo" enhances the song. As it is a concert it shouldn't sound like it was made in the studio, or it defeats the object of being live.

Well that's what I think anyway.

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I must agree with Dukewhite, I have never been bothered by the absence of crowd noise. I listen to the album to hear the wonderful arrangements and performance, not crowd noises.

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Bowie has changed album covers before, like 5 different times.

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And with the exception of Station To Station, all covers have reverted back to the originals in the most recent reissues.

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One album I can't listen to very often is Santa Monica 72, or in my case Ziggy Stardust And The Spiders From Mars "Live". At the end of each song the crowd noise is booming!! Is this the same for the "proper" Santa Monica 72 CD?

I remember someone pointing out on these boards that the sleeve notes of Aladdin Sane (2003) say "..from the forthcoming album Santa Monica 72", so hopefully we'll see a deluxe repackage of this album too.

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I actually sold my copy of the said album because the sound quality washorrible, and the performance laclustre. The only Bowie CD I have ever sold.

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I listen to the album to hear the wonderful arrangements and performance, not crowd noises.

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You should listen to "Hunky Dory" - it is full of great arrangements and performances.

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They could always mix in the crowd from a Faces live album.

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Or as I posted earlier in the week, The Sense of Adelaide (1978) bootleg. Think of how much better Stage would be with a few "Jesus fucking christ! That is amazing!"'s during the instrumentals?

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I like it!

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And with the exception of Station To Station, all covers have reverted back to the originals in the most recent reissues.

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And the original release of Space Oddity (or David Bowie, as it was actually called). The vinyl version of Tin Machine also depicted the band in different positions than on the CD but since they were released simultaneously, they could both considered to be originals.

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Was it Visconti that once said that he mixed down the audience levels to cut out some booing during the first couple instrumentals of the show?

What's odd, is that fan accounts from 78 talked of potheads(and otherwise) were in stoner bliss during the instrumentals. It's like the chill out rooms that have on the upper floors of some rave clubs.

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And the original release of Space Oddity (or David Bowie, as it was actually called).

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If I'm not too much mistaking (and I'm not ), David Bowie (1969) was originally released in the UK with the 'bubbles' cover it sports in the most recent reissue. In the US Man Of Words / Man Of Music was released with a somewhat similar cover that has a blue backround without the bubbles. The first issue to be called Space Oddity (RCA 1972) had a different Ziggy-era cover, which was used in all subsequent re-releases until EMI 1999 reissues.

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one reason it was originally released with a chronological tracklisting was that the songs fit better on the LP's that way. With vinyl, there were time constraints to what would physically fit on an album side that are significantly less than those on CD.

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I find it difficult almost to the point of impossibility to believe that this was a factor. While it was often the case that the running order of vinyl albums had to take into account how much you could fit on a side (about 25 minutes if I remember correctly), fact is Stage was a double album, and there was plenty of time to spare no matter how they cut it.

It's difficult to believe they couldn't have run the album in show order, but that somehow magically by putting it in chronological order, it all fitted. And in fact, if we look at how the album ended up chronologically, we can see they had plenty of time to play with, and didn't end up particularly balanced over the four sides.

Side 1: 15 and a half minutes (approx)
Side 2: 17 and a half
Side 3: 19 and a half
Side 4: 19 and a half

Personally, I believe the real reason is that someone (probably RCA, but maybe Bowie too) felt that the more closely it resembled a "Greatest Hits" type compilation, the better it would sell (this would also explain why they took out the crowd sounds). By putting, for example, all the Ziggy era songs on one side, and all the mid 70s soul funk on another, they could make it more attractive to people who preferred one particular version of Bowie.

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I was going to say that... But yeah, putting the tracks on correct order in the first place should have posed no difficulty.

Also, I think it's actually possible to queeze 30 minutes on one side of a vinyl. Mike Oldfield's 60-minute Amarok was released on vinyl, simply cut to half without any editing.

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It's hard to know seeing that Amarok was released much later. Technology usually means that things can become more and more condensed (one of the reasons why hard drives keep increasing in size). That said, the 45 minute Sgt. Peppers certainly indicates that 22 or 23 minutes was achievable.

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That is true. But to pick a more contamporary example, Oldfield's 1979 live Exposed album includes a version of Tubular Bells (Part 1) that clocks at 28.42 and fills one side of the album.

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In the US Man Of Words / Man Of Music was released with a somewhat similar cover that has a blue backround without the bubbles.

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That's the one I was thinking of.

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I thought so.

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Also, I think it's actually possible to queeze 30 minutes on one side of a vinyl. Mike Oldfield's 60-minute Amarok was released on vinyl, simply cut to half without any editing.

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The problem with vinyl though was if you tried to put more than 15 minutes on each side, the sound quality and volume degraded, that's why only compilations and best of albums generally ran for more than that.

Also I remember listening to an interview with an Australian record producer in the late 70s and he said they always tried to place the best or most popular tracks in position 1 or 2 on each side as the sound quality progressively deteriorated towards the centre of the disc.

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Supposing that's true, it would probably help explain why most singles were lifted from the first few tracks, although Fame is a rather unusual anomaly in that regard.

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Fame is a rather unusual anomaly in that regard.

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the whole final track-order of that album is an anomaly. Ideally, "Fame" would have been released as a stand-alone single with "Across the Universe" as the B-side. It would make more sense than haivng them on what would have been The Gouster since they have more in common with each otehr (Lennon) than with anything else on the album.

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