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RabbitFighter
(acolyte)
06/15/05 07:47 AM
Re: silver and americard new [re: russellmael]  

In reply to:

The thing about this debate is i'm not sure whose side i'm on... RCA or Bowie's?


I guess it all depends how selfish you are. Ofcourse it's important for artist to maintain some control on what get's released but as a fan I can only join the choir that keeps chanting "OPEN THE VAULTS!" The more released material the better, atleast to some point. If it sucks, no-one's forcing you to buy it.

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Pablo-Picasso
(electric tomato)
06/15/05 08:42 AM
Re: silver and americard new [re: RabbitFighter]  

I used to like it when bands/artists used the single as a medium in itself, not just as self promotion for a parent album. The Jam/Style council made loads on non album singles with fabulous sides too, Over half of the Beatles singles were not affiliated with an album. The last non album single I can think of, off the top of my head by a major group was Whatever by Oasis, I am sure there have been many others since, but not with the frequency of the 60s and 70s. Bowie of course, made quite a few non album singles in the 80s from Under pressure to Real cool world (90s).




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russellmael
(kook)
06/15/05 08:51 AM
Re: silver and americard new [re: Pablo-Picasso]  

... I'm a child of the time of non album singles (to a point..), but really find they come into their own in this CD age when they tag them onto to end of the ~parent~ album. Lovely. I'm waiting for Piper At The Gates Of Dawn to come out with the reated singles added, and Sgt. Pepper's with Penny Lane / Strawberry Fields added.



diamondogz74
(freecloud)
06/15/05 08:54 AM
Re: silver and americard new [re: Pablo-Picasso]  

In reply to:

Bowie of course, made quite a few non album singles in the 80s from Under pressure to Real cool world (90s).


Wasn't there a problem at first with releasing Under Pressure due to different contractual reasons?

As for Real Cool World? that was a film contract so threrefore would not have been on any album, Im sure there were more as you say Alan, Absolute Beginners for another and what a magnificent single that made, still has to be one of my best ever favs and to my shame I still do not own the CD single




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Pablo-Picasso
(electric tomato)
06/15/05 08:54 AM
Re: silver and americard new [re: russellmael]  

When they released the 30th anniversary mono edition of piper in 1997 they also released a 6 track ep with the first three singles on. That was nice.

I don't think we are going to be getting anything like that from the Beatles any time soon, they seem quite complacent when it comes to reissues, the original Beatles cds are 18 years old now and have never been remastered and come (apart from Pepper) with pretty poor packaging.




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bowiefanpeter
(the voyeur)
06/15/05 08:58 AM
Re: silver and americard new [re: russellmael]  

B-sides can also work against artists and fans: ask the smashing pumpkins.

There's also flukes where B-sides become hits. Gloria with Van Morrison, Last Kiss by Pearl Jam and Hey God by XTC.

Radiohead has done wonders to the world of B-sides.

bfp



russellmael
(kook)
06/15/05 09:10 AM
Re: silver and americard new [re: Pablo-Picasso]  

poor beatles... they should be pioneers, but their own sense of self importance has left them way behind.

I have the Floyd early singles EP, but would like them to have been on the same disc as Piper. I believe there was talk of it a while ago. Definitely in 2007!

...and of course, the other two (brilliant) singles added to Saucerful Of Secrets.

See, I'm unhappy about all my favorite bands output!


p.s. I'd say the 90's indie quality b-side fad was started by Suede... at the same time multiformatting was killing the art of the b-side.



Pablo-Picasso
(electric tomato)
06/15/05 09:29 AM
Re: silver and americard new [re: russellmael]  

Oasis always put a lot of effort in giving VFM with 3 b sides to every cd single (until the powers that be decided that for a single to be applicable for the chart it had to be 3 tracks only).

I think one of the best reissue campaigns had to be the Who's from the mid 90s, they expanded the albums with some great non album tracks and rarities but not a sides (they left them for the best ofs). Also they didn't duplicate rare tracks from the box set that was also released. They have since expanded some of the albums even futher. But then going back to the mid 70s the Who were not afraid to dig into their vaults with the release of Odds and sods a rarities album.




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SysiyoModerator
(thunder ocean)
06/15/05 09:49 AM
Re: silver and americard new [re: diamondogz74]  

In reply to:

As for Real Cool World? that was a film contract so threrefore would not have been on any album


Well, in fact, apart from Under Pressure, Dancing In The Streets and Maggie's Farm, all of Bowie's non-album A-sides since 1980 have been done for soundtracks; we've got:

Under Pressure
Cat People (from the film with the same name)
(Peace On Earth/Little Drummer Boy, which arguably was a soundtrack piece as well)
This Is Not America (from The Falcon and The Snowman)
Dancing In The Streets
Absolute Beginners (from the film with the same name)
Underground (from Labyrinth)
When The Wind Blows (from the film with the same name)
Magic Dance (from Labyrinth)
Maggie's Farm
Real Cool World (from Cool World)
I Can't Read (from Ice Storm)

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russellmael
(kook)
06/15/05 09:59 AM
Re: silver and americard new [re: Sysiyo]  

..and most did end up on his proper albums in some form anyway (a high percentage of singles are altered in many ways from Lp cuts anyway, so I do see it as the same thing eg Cat People single version vs. album version) ... whether it be a soundtrack lp.or another artist's Lp.

I think Bowie sees the lost revenue from that.. notice the way he has reclaimed Labyrinth OST as a bonefide Bowie Lp. To A point.




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