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Pablo-Picasso
(acolyte)
02/25/06 03:56 PM
Re: Most Successful UK Solo Artist in UK Chart His new [re: th0mas]  

That's it, the very early tracks were recorded on two track, even Sgt Pepper was only on 4 track, the first 8 track Beatles recording was Hey Jude and only the last two albums were recorded totally in 8 track. Some tracks, I want to hold your hand for example was mixed in mono and the multi tracks destroyed, as were a few others, so any attempt to make multi channel mixes are just faked. The stereo separation on Help, Rubber soul and Revolver is pretty poor in places, just music on the left, voices on the right.

The white album was the first album that the Beatles even bothered turning up for the stereo mixes, up until then they only every did for the mono. I remember Ringo was really disappointed when he first heard the cd of Pepper as there were lots of little noises missing, what it was, was he had only ever heard the mono mix up until then.

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bowiefanpeter
(the voyeur)
02/25/06 05:46 PM
Re: Most Successful UK Solo Artist in UK Chart History new [re: Adam]  

What blows me away the most is that Elvis never spent any time on UK soil during his lifetime.

RB



KModerator
(thunder ocean)
02/25/06 05:50 PM
Re: Elvis ate America new [re: Black Prism]  

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unless you meant to say most successful artist to come out of the UK to conquer the UK charts


If you'll take time to read the thread header again, you'll notice that was precisely what he said.

Monochrome

AdamAdministrator
(eden but no sham)
02/25/06 08:06 PM
So Elvis IS English? new [re: K]  

Indeed. Otherwise I would have said "most successful solo act in UK chart history" rather than qualifying it as a UK solo artist as well.

And only four lines later: "The only solo artists with more weeks on chart than Bowie are Americans".


BOWIE DOWNUNDER

AdamAdministrator
(eden but no sham)
02/25/06 09:17 PM
US VS UK new [re: bowiefanpeter]  

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What blows me away the most is that Elvis never spent any time on UK soil during his lifetime.


Good point. And then there's the other side of the equation - the most successful homegrown Brits (Bowie - the solo artist and Queen - the band) probably missing the US top 100 despite them crawling all over the wasteland.

BOWIE DOWNUNDER

Forgotten_Boy
(wild eyed peoploid)
02/26/06 00:48 AM
Re: Most Successful UK Solo Artist in UK Chart His new [re: Pablo-Picasso]  

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Some tracks, I want to hold your hand for example was mixed in mono and the multi tracks destroyed, as were a few others, so any attempt to make multi channel mixes are just faked.


I actually thought it was everything up to I Want To Hold Your Hand. The multi track masters were spliced off in the mid 80s apparently, god knows why. But I Want To Hold Your Hand is the first one on compilation albums to be in Stereo. I actually have a mid 80s cassette box set released by Readers Digest called The Beatles Box, which actually has a lot of rare mixes of the Beatles masters, like Please Please Me with a fluffed lyric by Lennon, All My Loving with a hi hat intro and I Feel Fine with drum sticks clattering and whispers in the background (amongst others). It also contains the "true" stereo mixes of She Loves You and From Me To You, obviously before they were spliced off. I imagine Readers Digest were leased the EMI masters in the same way K Tel were leased the RCA masters for Best Of Bowie.

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The stereo separation on Help, Rubber soul and Revolver is pretty poor in places, just music on the left, voices on the right


Agreed, but this is the way they were originally mixed wasn't it? Like bad sixties stereo seperation... they hadn't really figured what was best yet.

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I remember Ringo was really disappointed when he first heard the cd of Pepper as there were lots of little noises missing, what it was, was he had only ever heard the mono mix up until then.


That's really interesting, it actually makes me want to go and buy a record player to listen to my scratchy mono vinyl copy of Sgt Peppers that I picked up at a record fair for $5 last year. I got it purely for collectors value, I never intended to really listen to it.
Buying into the whole remaster the Beatles debate now...
We probably don't really need new stereo remasters, though it would be nice to hear everything in the fidelity of "1" but I'd really love the mono mixes of all the original UK albums after Beatles For Sale. They did it for the American albums up to Revolver... perhaps something is in the works, but I doubt it.

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there was the great 40 licks double cd and those tracks were remastered, It's just as though nobody dares touch the Beatles


Thats a stupid comment Dogz and you know it, already this decade we've had the brilliant '1' that was entirely digitally remastered, "Let It Be...Naked" which was remixed AND remastered, and "The Capitol Years" which was remastered in stereo and mono. Which leads to your next comment...

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you never know it could well open up a new Beatles era


It already happened with '1' (which is what turned me on to the Beatles), and as long as McCartney's alive there will always be new eras discovering the Beatles, anyone with basic music appreciation someday will have to come across the Beatles, they will continue to be discovered and rediscovered.

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And not just full price, but a rather expensive price at that. Here in the US, anyway, pretty much every Beatles catalog title lists at $18.99. The same is true of Zeppelin and (barring the occasional knock-down of Animals) Pink Floyd, though you can at least take comfort in the fact that those titles were remastered in the last decade.


Beatles still sell for full price here in Australia, but Floyd, Zep and the Stones have all been recently marked down to mid-cheap... after Live 8 all Floyd albums were on sale for a little more then $10. The demand for Beatles albums must still be incredibly high, which is why they can profit from these new releases. Plus Beatles fans are a little obsessive I suppose. In saying that, thats why EMI should perhaps do up better versions (in terms of artwork and including mono mixes perhaps remastering the stereo ones) of say Rubber Soul onwards, because these are special albums and in their current guise they just feel run of the mill.

"You know that they refused Jesus too"
"You're not him"


Beltene
(acolyte)
02/26/06 00:56 AM
Re: Most Successful UK Solo Artist in UK Chart His new [re: Forgotten_Boy]  

I knew I never should've clicked on this thread. Dorks.

You see, darling...my ass does belong on your face! You just don't know it yet.

Pablo-Picasso
(acolyte)
02/26/06 03:28 AM
Re: Most Successful UK Solo Artist in UK Chart His new [re: Forgotten_Boy]  

When The Beatles were in Paris in 1964 the spent some time in the George V hotel, mainly writing material for their third UK album A hard days night, but the also when into a Paris Studio to record German versions of She loves you and I want to hold your hand. With She loves you they were able to take a copy of the backing track, but because they only had the final mixdown copy of I want to hold your hand they had to rerecord the backing track as well. So any stereo mixes of IWTHYH are simulated, by lifting the high end on one channel and increasing the low end on the other.

It was really suprising some of the alternate mixes that were used on the Readers digest set, a lot of them come from overseas versions of the albums. For example three of the tracks on revolver were released in the States a few months earlier on Yesterday and today, and after that album was released the Beatles remixed the tracks for Revolver, thus the versions on YAT are unique, quite often tracks which were later remixed or changed in some way would be sent to other countries for release in a not quite finished state. In those days people didn't really think about stuff like that.

Regarding mono mixes, it would be nice for mono mixes to be available right up to and including The white album, as quite often different takes were used, the 7" single of Help! for example as a totally different Lennon lead vocal. It would also be nice to hear the stereo mixes of the first four albums as again there are differences between the two.
Compare the songs on the Yellow Submarine Songtrack album to the ones on the original albums is interesting, especially Eleanor Rigby, on Revolver you will notice that the orchestra is almost exclisively in one channel and the vocals in the other, on the Songtrack album (not the soundtrack btw) they have remixed this to a normal stereo mix and it does sound much better. I am not against these albums being spruced up, but they must be done in the spirit of the original albums. While they still sell well there is little need to do it though and I would imagine getting Yoko, Paul, Ringo and whoever is looking after George's estate to agree on these things is pretty hard.

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th0mas
(acolyte)
02/26/06 04:18 AM
Re: Most Successful UK Solo Artist in UK Chart His new [re: Forgotten_Boy]  

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Agreed, but this is the way they were originally mixed wasn't it? Like bad sixties stereo seperation... they hadn't really figured what was best yet.


I guess there were less things possible, just like today it is still the usual way to record instruments in stereo (or even mono) to mix them on the different surround speakers digitally and often enough deciding between surround speakers or front speakers, i guess they simply were not able to easily create real stereo recordings at that time. so in order to have some acoustic width they went for distributing the different layers to left or right. Which - as long as the walkman was not invented - made sort of sense


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Black Prism
(cracked actor)
02/26/06 04:19 AM
Sys for Most Successful Yowie on the Bowie board new [re: K]  

Indeed. Revising the post to stick an extra 'UK' between 'successful' and 'solo' makes all the friggin' difference, you hulking slab of sasquatch.

I'm not trolling; I'm moderating.


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