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Trash
(crash course raver)
11/16/07 06:51 AM
Did you see Bowie lately?  

So what's up with Bowie lately? Is he only enjoying the company of his wife and daughter nowadays with the occasional art movie on thursday evenings?
Can we give up hope for that one brilliant record that the man is able to make?
Bowie! Wake up!

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Tristan
(legendary cowboy)
11/16/07 08:53 AM
TMWFTE in a crevice. new [re: Trash]  

It's been 12 years since he produced a brilliant album, and 10 years since he produced a good one. If he can't do better than Outside / Earthling, he needs to continue hanging out with the family... and quietly go away.



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KAdministrator
(thunder ocean)
11/16/07 09:00 AM
Re: TMWFTE in a crevice. new [re: Tristan]  

Someone should kidnap him and force him to do one last good album. I really don't want Reality to be left as the last David Bowie album ever...

"They get annoyed, because these two stupid old gits - us - are ruining the Pet Shop Boys project."
-- Neil Tennant on fans

tv eye
(acolyte)
11/16/07 07:27 PM
Re: TMWFTE in a crevice. new [re: Tristan]  

In reply to:

t's been 12 years since he produced a brilliant album, and 10 years since he produced a good one. If he can't do better than Outside / Earthling, he needs to continue hanging out with the family... and quietly go away.


amen to that.


though you are so wrong about modern love - to the point that i felt an urge to call bjork a dirty whore in retaliation. thankfully, by now i have mastered the art of self-restraint to avoid behaviors like that.




Forgotten_Boy
(electric tomato)
11/17/07 02:05 AM
Re: Did you see Bowie lately? new [re: Trash]  

Do you think that, perhaps, if he's still not released any new material by the time his contract with EMI runs out we'll start getting stuff from the vault? Or is that purely wishful thinking?

To be honest, it wouldn't surprise me if he's slowly compiling a new body of work. I mean, it's not like he hasn't been doing anything musically at all: guest vocals, while not as satisfying as new Bowie produce, could be a suggestion that the wheels are in motion.

I think the chances that he releases a really left of field experimental album are probably more likely then ever before - he said he wrote 'Reality' with touring in mind, one would imagine that touring his next album would be the absolute LAST thing he wants to do. So perhaps he'll create something kind of 'untourable'.

Again though, probably wishful thinking.

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Emil
(acolyte)
11/17/07 05:18 AM
Re: Did you see Bowie lately? new [re: Forgotten_Boy]  

Bowie does what he feels like, remember that. He has never felt that he has obligations to his fans (except in his darkest hours, like the S+V tour). There is no grand plan, no schedule that he follows. And he is not short of money.
Probably he has written some songs, perhaps made some recordings, then judged that he didn't want to release them and abandoned the whole thing. Perhaps he started doing something, thought that he would finish it at a later time and then lost interest.
This is what happened with the Outside sessions, with Toy, and possibly other stuff that we never got to know about.
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Tristan
(legendary cowboy)
11/17/07 10:06 AM
Re: TMWFTE in a crevice. new [re: tv eye]  

In reply to:

you are so wrong about modern love - to the point that i felt an urge to call bjork a dirty whore in retaliation. thankfully, by now i have mastered the art of self-restraint to avoid behaviors like that.


Youíre a good man, tv eye.



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tv eye
(acolyte)
11/17/07 04:05 PM
Re: TMWFTE in a crevice. new [re: Tristan]  

In reply to:

Youíre a good man, tv eye.


i know. i guess the medication works.



jump93
(crash course raver)
11/19/07 06:32 PM
Re: TMWFTE in a crevice. new [re: Tristan]  

Amen from me as well.

However depressing the thought is.

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guiltpuppy
(stardust savant)
11/20/07 06:23 AM
Re: TMWFTE in a crevice. new [re: Tristan]  

In reply to:

It's been 12 years since he produced a brilliant album, and 10 years since he produced a good one. If he can't do better than Outside / Earthling, he needs to continue hanging out with the family... and quietly go away.



I disagree. Hours, Heathen, and Reality haven't been superb additions to the canon, but they've been additions all the same. There are songs I like on all of them. I'd be quite happy to get more songs that I like, even if it means some silly old man gets to spend less time with his family.



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Diamond Frog
(acolyte)
11/20/07 10:47 AM
Re: TMWFTE in a crevice. new [re: guiltpuppy]  

I too think that Earthling is his last really good album, but Sunday and Bring me the Disco King are among my favourite songs, so I'm glad he kept on working until 2003.

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Tristan
(legendary cowboy)
11/20/07 04:58 PM
Re: TMWFTE in a crevice. new [re: Diamond Frog]  

Yes, I like Sunday & Bring Me The Disco King too. I also like 5:15 The Angels Have Gone, The Loneliest Guy, A Foggy Day (In London Town) from Red Hot + Rhapsody (1998) & Nature Boy from Moulin Rouge (2001). I could probably come up with a few more if I gave it some thought. Seems most of us are in agreement that Earthling is the last really good album. 10 years ago. Thatís a real shame.


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KAdministrator
(thunder ocean)
11/20/07 06:08 PM
The decade with one album new [re: Tristan]  

In reply to:

A Foggy Day (In London Town)


It's a great track, but I wonder how much input Bowie actually had on it, or did he just provide the vocals to a completed piece by Badalamenti (sp?). That said, if he did that it's be only a little less of a Bowie track as the original version of "Cat People" or "This is Not America".

The thing differentiating pre- and post-1997* Bowie is that in the pre-period you can choose great albums, whereas in the post-period you can choose great tracks, but the albums overall are mediocre or worse. You could probably make one good (albeit very fragmented) album if you combined the best post-1997 tracks.

* = The actual year 1997 included oin the pre-portion.

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Diamond Frog
(acolyte)
11/20/07 06:09 PM
Re: TMWFTE in a crevice. new [re: Tristan]  

I forgot to say that Shadow man (on the Slow Burn single) sends shivers down my spine every time I hear it.

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Claude
(sound & visions)
11/20/07 09:04 PM
Re: Did you see Bowie lately? new [re: Trash]  

Yes, he's in my home!


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Claude
(sound & visions)
11/20/07 09:28 PM
Re: Did you see Bowie lately? new [re: Claude]  

,,,,,,,,,, and............ he looks very well!...........

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rubleem
(electric tomato)
11/21/07 01:26 PM
Re: TMWFTE in a crevice. new [re: Tristan]  

**Seems most of us are in agreement that Earthling is the last really good album. 10 years ago. Thatís a real shame.**

I'll agree with the *us* part, but only *us.* Critics responded to Heathen and Reality as a return to Bowie form. They reached more people--they sold better--than the 90s albums.

It's yet one more thing that makes Bowie so interesting: He developed a new fan base, and solidified at least a segment of the old one, with Outside, an album that was, outside of the "us" noted above, held in rather low regard. That view, as "us" all well know even if we can't come to grips with it, persists: http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2007/05/29/rolling-stones-25-greatest-songs-off-bad-albums/

I'm not sure why, for example, Ramona Stone seems to be so beloved here, while the woman in "She'll Drive the Big Car" is pretty much ignored.

It's pretty much to each his own, though we could certainly break it down by age, and, obviously, location. I found the Outside characters nonsensical, and, worse, musically derivative of much better bands around at the time.

And his lonely, tom up, or even terrified characters in the latter albums--and, yeah, for that matter, somewhat on the messy Hours--to be some of the most fully realized characters he's come up in his career.

And backed with melodies he actually appeared to work on, too--Outside/Earthling are more position papers on what's happening now to me than solid songwriting, though to be sure, there are cuts on the former I love (Architects' Eyes/Voyeur), and the latter is pretty cool even given its purpose as a style statement.

I'm most disappointed in his departure from the music world because I felt he was hitting a new stride with documenting, musically, the shit we're all faced with every day. Heathen's prescient take on things was downright chilling, and Reality's reflection worked for me, at least. I thought after Reality he had a lot more to say. But life-threatening illness will do that to you, I guess.

So, yeah, I don't disagree with Tristan at all as to the view here. But as to the value of what is good and what isn't over the period, well: not even close.

Though if Evan was around, I'd fully support him updating this site to be called Outside Forever, or something more appropriate to the history it writes. ;-)

RB



Claude
(sound & visions)
11/21/07 03:54 PM
Re: TMWFTE in a crevice. new [re: Tristan]  

"Heathen" is the last Bowie's masterpiece!

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theidiot2
(electric tomato)
11/21/07 04:07 PM
Prove me wrong, Jones new [re: Claude]  

Yet again, Claude's the only one talking sense around here. Heathen is a fine album and for my money Slip Away is his last great song. I don't think it's impossible for him to release material as good (or better) in the future, but it sure doesn't seem likely.


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Tristan
(legendary cowboy)
11/21/07 04:13 PM
Re: TMWFTE in a crevice. new [re: Claude]  

In reply to:

"Heathen" is the last Bowie's masterpiece!


This is a great bullshit.


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RabbitFighter
(incestuous and vain)
11/21/07 05:11 PM
Re: TMWFTE in a crevice. new [re: Tristan]  

Sure is. Only an utter idiot would consider anything released after Scary Monsters a masterpiece. That doesn't mean he hasn't released great albums during the past decade or so...

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KAdministrator
(thunder ocean)
11/21/07 08:04 PM
Re: TMWFTE in a crevice. new [re: rubleem]  

In reply to:

I'll agree with the *us* part, but only *us.* Critics responded to Heathen and Reality as a return to Bowie form. They reached more people--they sold better--than the 90s albums.


I believe Adam looked into the sales figures soon after the release of Reality and actually found out the final sales figures for every album since Outside have been roughly in the same range (unfortunately I don't seem to be able to locate the original thread).

I'd also argue that Heathen and Reality were hailed as "return to form" because of the current attitude in music industry that estavlished musicians - especially ageing established musicians - should stick to one style and not try to experiment with new styles. Especially not styles "belonging" to a younger generation.

"They get annoyed, because these two stupid old gits - us - are ruining the Pet Shop Boys project."
-- Neil Tennant on fans

tv eye
(acolyte)
11/22/07 02:36 AM
Re: TMWFTE in a crevice. new [re: K]  

In reply to:

I'd also argue that Heathen and Reality were hailed as "return to form" because of the current attitude in music industry that estavlished musicians - especially ageing established musicians - should stick to one style and not try to experiment with new styles. Especially not styles "belonging" to a younger generation.


or maybe because ...hours was such unbelievable shite....




Adam
(cricket menace)
11/22/07 08:00 AM
Re: TMWFTE in a crevice. new [re: K]  

That thread (in which Dara proclaimed "best post ever") now seems to be gone. Essentially though, Heathen and Reality did have notably increased sales from the albums previous. Early on, Heathen cracked the 2 million mark and likely went on to sell at least 3 million where as Outside/Earthling/Hours (although they likely would have gone beyond now) stalled below the million mark.

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