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ArdentDesir
(wild eyed peoploid)
01/21/03 07:27 AM
Official Bowie Live Footage 1976 new  

Well, I don't really expect an answer, but you NEVER know.
This is more or less a question for French TW'ers.

In 1983, French TV broadcast a special on David Bowie at Cannes. It included an interview with an Old Woman, who turned out to be of the Bowie fanclub.
She is later seen sitting front row at one of the final two concerts of the 1976 tour, at the Pavillions de Paris.

This Footage of our Dave performing, is as far as I know, the ONLY officially filmed 1976 tour footage. (I'm not counting the Rehearsals here)

Does anybody out there know differently?

And, what I would really like to know....has this footage been broadcast before? If so , in what form......






bowiefanpeter
(acolyte)
01/21/03 10:50 AM
Re: Official Bowie Live Footage 1976 new [re: ArdentDesir]  

There would be the Dinah footage from just before the beginning of the 76 tour. The version of stay is cool to watch(save the Red Green styled editing graphics) and a version of 5 years which, IIRC, never found it's way onto bootleg yet and only aired on the original show.

I think it would be fair to assume there is video of the actual vancouver performance. He already had the cameras there, and it is closely guarded secret Bowie films nearly all of his shows since ziggy for review the next day. Do you think the footage was thrown out?

There might be some official video of the victoria statoin arrival tucked away in someone's collection.

No fans reported seeing cameras at the 3 officially filmed 74 shows. So why not do it for the next tour? Bowie has many unused film projects gathering dust in his archive. The 76 shows also featured blinding visuals that would make fans memories flawed.

I would give a guess that there may have been news crews at the time get footage of shows. I would highly doubt that the 6 London shows would go without footage given to the media.

The tour grossed millions of dollars. Do you think Bowie would not consider paying several thousand dollars to film the show?

I think Bowie is hoarding any footage. I also wonder that he is embarassed of shy in sharing the footage. The BOB DVD is one example of DB doing this. He doesn't seem to like others seeing him during his coke period.

BFP

There is the 76 Russel Harty interview that was bowie via satellite from LA to london that is about 20 minutes.





ArdentDesir
(wild eyed peoploid)
01/21/03 09:24 PM
Re: Official Bowie Live Footage 1976 new [re: bowiefanpeter]  

The Dinah! footage is great, I have both Stay and Five Years.
I think Bowie looked absolutely beautiful.
And the versions of those songs are amazing.

Yes, I agree that Bowie must be hoarding absolutely TONS of stuff......grrrrr ..bastard....Think about your fans!

And..err...I have some Victoria Station arrival footage (two different sources)

I love that 1975 Russel Harty interview.

Now if somebody installed a chat program, he could have that interview :P




Edited by ArdentDesir on 01/21/03 09:29 PM (server time).



Diamond_Dave
(crash course raver)
01/21/03 09:57 PM
Re: Official Bowie Live Footage 1976 new [re: ArdentDesir]  

I've heard of a few English collectors who have a sizable amount of footage from the '75-'76 era. There was also a guy who once stated that he owned some rare US footage of the Y.A's era with snippets of Bowie in the studio.

Now, methinks that Bowie would have had ppl out and about collecting this footage in that era for sure. And also the fatc that some collectors refuse to share what rare items they have.

When I was in Oslo a couple of years back there was one collector who claimed to own a real of outtakes from the S2S sessions. He was not the sought of guy to spin crap either. So i'm sure there is alot of TV footage around that we just have not managed to turn up properly yet?

The big claim is that the Hours sessions saw Bowie write 100's of songs which get fans interested to know what has not been released from those sessions. Though, writing songs is a far cry from recording them so I wonder how many of those 100's of songs actually made the recording process?

You never know what will turn up over time which makes collecting such a beautiful prospect.

Don't take life too seriously, except when the Ashes series begins in November ;p

WildWind
(acolyte)
01/22/03 00:08 AM
My hero new [re: bowiefanpeter]  

I love the Dinah footage for Carlos Alomar.

WW

What's this? Another door?

bowiefanpeter
(acolyte)
01/22/03 12:47 PM
Re: Official Bowie Live Footage 1976 new [re: ArdentDesir]  

I am aware of the existance of semi pro-grade(single-cam) video from one of the first shows of the 1976 tour(in the western US) The collector I know also has soundboard audio of the same show. He worked in the industry and had access to be able to sneek in cameras and audio equipment. The tape has NEVER left his collection and perhaps never will.

Along with the information about "english collectors" printed in this thread leads to an assumption. There are "secret trading rings" of Bowie material and other big names. However, I should note that ht enumber of membes in this group could be counted on one hand. They also likelky have a lot of money and resources invested in thier endevours meaning trading for littlein return would mean nothing to them.

I wonder if there were people back in the 70's who followed Bowie around and gathered up high quality tapes and video. Bowie played 6 nights when the '76 tour hit London so it iwas big enough then to have some odd followers.

Anyone remember in the storytellers 99 show that Bowie had mob members following ziggy. Do you think they had money, resources, and desire to have high quality tapes of shows?

BFP

PS Has Bowie always had the same soundman or a has it changed around from tour to tour?



ArdentDesir
(wild eyed peoploid)
01/22/03 01:24 PM
Re: Official Bowie Live Footage 1976 new [re: Diamond_Dave]  

A sizeable amount eh?
I wonder what that could be.
I thought I had quite a bit.

But I know there are far more hardcore collectors out there ....
I wonder if THEY dare tell what they have?
Why won't more collectors share?

I was personally responsible for releasing a small, yet interesting piece of footage into the world. I'm glad its out there now, for people to see.
(I'm referring to the film made in january 1974, where Bowie gets an Edison for Ziggy Stardust. It was filmed at the Amstel Hotel, here in Amsterdam)

Outtakes of Station to Station eh? jesus christ that is AWFUL
One can only hope that it is not the only copy, the one he has. I think it's kinda stupid, NOT to trade.
From what I've heard, the piece of 74 film that I was talking about got stolen from the TV station.
Imagine what could happen if I hadn't traded it.
There would be ONE vhs copy in existence..as far as we know anyway....and Sometimes VCR's do nasty stuff to tapes....

And about the songwriting: Bowie's always saying he's writing like never before.
Reeves ( I think it was Reeves) was very quick to add "Most of which are Crap" when Bowie stated something like "We've written hundreds of songs"



Diamond_Dave
(crash course raver)
01/22/03 06:50 PM
Re: Official Bowie Live Footage 1976 new [re: bowiefanpeter]  

I can't stand it how some ppl get hold of these videos and tapes and take them to their grave. What's the point in owning them if you won't at some point share them? This i fail to understand?

I'd lay odds there are copies of almost every Bowie concert from '73 onwards out there, though they just are not being shared. I bet there are even studio out-takes Bowie himself does not own anymore. Or even just jamming or studio banter captured on reals that was thrown away or lost or worse yet, stolen :( I almost wanna cry when I think of this.

Maybe we should start a consortium and head off to all the auctions and buy up the rare stuff to avoid it slipping away forever? Isn't it sad to think that some collectors will kick the bucket and these tapes and rare stuff could be lost forever!

As for Bowie's sound men? He has differant sound guys for every tour. Imagine how many tapes the sound guy could rip from a tour. Even with Bowie making them sign contracts that they won't take copies i'm sure they have some idea on how to score a tape.

Let's look at the Earthling tour. Perhaps one of Bowie's most diverse for song selection and so on. Now if one or two sound guys do the tour and record every show can you begin to think of how much material they would have?

A good research tool is Pim's concert tape book. A very extensive detailed book on almost every know recorded Bowie show up untill the mid 80's. And seeing how Aylesbury only recently turned up we have hope yet that more goodies will show up.

Don't take life too seriously, except when the Ashes series begins in November ;p

bowiefanpeter
(acolyte)
01/23/03 03:36 AM
Re: Official Bowie Live Footage 1976 new [re: Diamond_Dave]  

I need to say a couple things here.

I would say once bowie become his own full time manager around the start of the 1976 tour all outtakes and soundboard tapes become a greater rarity. Stuff from before that were passed over several people hands before Bowie had it locked away or simply disappeared into a private collection.

We also know that some people in Bowie's world may have stashes somewhenre. We know Defires got 50% of the tapes from this period. Ken Pitt is also said to be sitting on a large stash of early recording. Now what about Eno, Pennbacker, Visconti, Mick Rock, RCA(?), Gus Dudgeon, Ronsons's estate, partying with Ronnie Woods studio in the mid 70's, and little weasels that worked in studios over the years.

Soundman all over the world have secret trading worlds. Only Live gigs and Soundchecks/Rehearsals. It's based on a one for one basis, ensuring their secrecy is kept and they do not get in trouble for their trading. Some of these people have industry jobs and could be blacklisted. Employees have instantly fired for taking a single song recording.

I am aware of someone in the same city as I am in who is holding ontoa large collection of uncirculated tapes. There have been attempts to get out single tapes with VERY generous offers in exchange. He has blanket refusal as it could affect his current work. Included in this collection is live bowie material from untapped live shows.

Another reason for not sharing is complete stubborness. They like the feeling have exclusively having a tape. What's odd is that they do not tell others they pocess it. I wonder if people are worried about having their house broken into being called a liar or seen as a bragger.

I personally think the consortium idea extrememly good. I think the auction idea a bit silly and one that could be circumvented. I think if it's known that original tapes will go directly to a group of fans then tapes may suddenly begin to appear out of nowhere.....mysteriously.

Those around Bowie collect and hoard tapes because they know that if left to Bowie they will go unheard or somehow altered. Knowing that it can go to a consortium may open up hoarders into sharing and knowing old tapes can be enjoyed by as many as possible. It also puts Bowie in the bind of fans buggin him to release more archival cds. Tapes could altered(city named removed, or mono sound rather stereo, minor respectuful edits) if collectors wish to keep a level of prestige to their recordings.

BFP





Diamond_Dave
(crash course raver)
01/23/03 06:22 AM
Re: Official Bowie Live Footage 1976 new [re: bowiefanpeter]  

Peter, you have just hit the nail on the head.

It's very sad that some collectors will hoard material that could be shared with fans all over the world :(

I have a friend who worked with the sound guy who was doing Nick Caves shows in 2002-03 and every show was recorded by the sound guy and he won't release any of it because he wants to wait untill it becomes rare and then sell it for profits. This made me sad :(((

Why oh why can't we be given more official stuff?

Don't take life too seriously, except when the Ashes series begins in November ;p

bowiefanpeter
(acolyte)
01/23/03 06:22 PM
Re: Official Bowie Live Footage 1976 new [re: Diamond_Dave]  

If there is a way of letting hardcore collectors their tapes are worth lots of money then they should likely trade. The reason they fear trading with someone is once a "regular hardcore bowie fan" has it the tape is then worthless and distributed via cdr trading. Paying up front could work in everyones favour.

Perhaps a (bi?)monthy Bowie bootleg club should be set up!!!!

I will still say that there are tapes that will never surface as those holding onto them worked with Bowie in some capacity. They still want to be in Bowie "good books" if that makes any sense. I have noticed a great deal of paranoia amongst Lots of Bowie collectors than say springsteen, dylan, U2, beatles, or Hendrix collectors.

bfp






Diamond_Dave
(crash course raver)
01/23/03 10:45 PM
Re: Official Bowie Live Footage 1976 new [re: bowiefanpeter]  

Maybe it a trudst thing at the end of the day?

Soem collectors don't want to give things away so freely because like you said Pete, they are worried about it becoming a "everyone has it" syndrome then their once rare item is now worthless. And there are those dodgy dealers who would get hold of it and sell it to loads of fans at markets and so on for up to $100 US over and over and make absurd amounts of money.

My old boss in a small record shop I used to work in was good at getting hold of rare Nirvana and Cure stuff. The kids would come in and see it and he would tell them....

...."It's the only one I got and it's VERY RARE!. I most likely won't get any more and I have never seen it before!"

The kids or collectors would buy it and when they left the shop he would get copy #234 from under the counter and whck another $50 price tag on it.

His bootlegs and young fans who didn't know better were the ones that bought his house and fancy car. That sort of business made me sad to think he was ripping off soooo many ppl :(

That was on of the reasons why i left his store.

But yeah, it's definately a trust thing with collectors for sure i'd say. If they can get ur trust then they will be more likely to share rare material with you.

I had some rare Suede demo and out-take material from the early 90's handed to me on the proviso that I would not sell it or give it to anyone interested off the street. To this day I have given them to 3 hard core collectors of Suede in return for other stuff.

Every time I think of it getting into a dodgy dealers hands i cringe!

Don't take life too seriously, except when the Ashes series begins in November ;p

Noggin
(wild eyed peoploid)
02/15/03 12:34 PM
Re: Official Bowie Live Footage 1976 new [re: ArdentDesir]  

Has LA 9.2.76 8mm 5 min (silent) turned in people's collections?

'Longer Than Last September'

bowiefanpeter
(acolyte)
02/15/03 03:27 PM
Re: Official Bowie Live Footage 1976 [re: Noggin]  

Full video with soundboard audio DO exist. I'm still in doubt about the existence of Proshot video. I would ASSUME that the proper Vancouver show could exist, but it is only an educated guess.

BFP



Noggin
(wild eyed peoploid)
02/16/03 04:41 AM
Re: Official Bowie Live Footage 1976 new [re: bowiefanpeter]  

This (LA 76) is Amateur film.

'Longer Than Last September'


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