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isabelleguns
(grinning soul)
10/09/03 08:30 PM
I THINK I HAVE BEEN RIPPED OFF ON A BOWIE TRADE  

Basically I will organize this as best I can so that people can get an idea of what is going on. Basically I really wanted to get the Vancouver bowie show from Chissy and have had problems. For the record, I think that he demands were a little too high and I have been warned by NoControl not to go through with this but I had faith in another Bowie fan. Here is the original I said/She Said e-mails. I have made them into MS word attachments from my site so that I do not need to have to make a long post. This is to serve as a warning that this person is a dead beat trader and that others shouldn”¦t make the same mistake that I have done with this.

She had a high demanding trade from me listed below.

THIS IS MY E-MAIL TO HER:
I am very intersted in trading for the bowie show. I am huge Bowie fan
> and have been lookign for this show. I do not have much to trade but
> what I do have to trade can be seen on my site at the bottom of the
> page under "bootlegs" I also have some video boots with Bowie stuff.
>
> I am looking for the Bowie Vancouver 97 show




HER RESPONSE:
hey shila,
how are ya.
ok. i am willing to trade u bowie vancouver 97 only if ure willing to
make a big trade with me. so its more worthwhile for me and u.
there are about 8 things i like in ure list. in return i will give u
shows from toronto.
from u i like
1). bruce springsteen 2003
2). depeche mode 2001
3), depeche mode 98
4), eagles 2002
5). roxy music 2003
6). U2 1992
7). U2 97
8). U2 '01 ....................check below and tell me which u want

1). bowie 97 vancouver...this one checked
2). bruce springsteen toronto skydome sept 2002
3). Dandy warhols opera house toronto...2003
4). Roxy Music Molson amphitheater torontojuly 2003
5), Peter gabriel Air canada Center toronto 2002
6). Sex Pistols Molson Amphitheater toronto aug 2003
7). Iron maiden Molson amphitheater toronto aug 2003
8). Bryan Adams Molson Amphitheater toronto aug 30th 2003
9). Mariah carey Air canada center toronto aug 2003
10). BB King Molson Amphitheater aug toronto 2003
11 ). Jeff Beck aug molson amphitheater toronto aug 203
12.) bryan ferry frantic tour 2002-3 Hummingbird center toronto Nov 2002
these are the most recent shows i have.
let me know.
its better for me to trade more than one trade. saves time .
im from vancouver too ! i missed the place.
well let me know.
Chriss


What really pisses me off other than my promptness is that I was planning on surprising NoControl with some of these as an anniversary gift and tried to keep it quiet. Sorry hunny ƒ¼ but it was more than a trade for me.

In conclusion, don”¦t trade with this chicky. I have received many PVT messages from other members of this forum who are not happy and haven”¦t had a smoothful transaction. Names I will not mention here as it is up to them if they want to post.

In the event that the item is received by Monady, I will make a public apology to Chrissy but if I am getting over 3 PVT messages from others who are trying to trade from her, something smells fishy. I have had otherwise a wonderful trading experience from everyone else here on TWL and for that, thanks.




ermacowns
(grinning soul)
10/09/03 11:58 PM
Re: I THINK I HAVE BEEN RIPPED OFF ON A BOWIE TRADE new [re: isabelleguns]  

Hum, I may have missed something up there but...I really don't see what's gone wrong with this trade.

If your idea of a bad trader is someone who asks for an 8-tape trade instead of just 1, well maybe it's time you should review your policy. Asking only for high trades is perfectly understandable. If you don't like it, just don't trade! But at least don't bad-mouth someone else for nothing.

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Smells like coffee in here!

tv eye
(stardust savant)
10/10/03 01:31 AM
Re: I THINK I HAVE BEEN RIPPED OFF ON A BOWIE TRADE new [re: ermacowns]  

yup, i usually do no less than 6 or 8 cds at a time. it would be different if she wanted 8 cds for that one cd though.



isabelleguns
(grinning soul)
10/10/03 03:21 AM
Re: I THINK I HAVE BEEN RIPPED OFF ON A BOWIE TRADE new [re: tv eye]  

She wanted 8 CD's of mine for 1 of hers. I trade a lot of found this a little un-usual at first but there is a first for everything. My other trades have gone awesome and frequent communication. I am just a little worried after being messaged by 3 members of TWL in PVT about this person. That is all. I just don't like to be ripped off. I only posted 'cause a lot of people have felt the same way. If it turns out that my CD (S) is on it's way, than she will get an apology.



NoControl
(kook)
10/10/03 03:27 AM
Re: I THINK I HAVE BEEN RIPPED OFF ON A BOWIE TRADE new [re: tv eye]  

IG traded 8 boots for 1 Bowie recording, for fuck's sake! The point is that the Bowie show she was supposed to receive isn't in her possession yet. Even though IG and the other trader both live in Vancouver and it was supposed to be sent last week!!! What part of that don't you understand? She's obviously getting ripped off!

...don't tell god your plans...

isabelleguns
(grinning soul)
10/10/03 04:48 AM
Re: I THINK I HAVE BEEN RIPPED OFF ON A BOWIE TRADE new [re: NoControl]  

We came to an agreement and she threw in some extras as in recordings but the point is, I haven't received anything yet and I have been PM'd a lot from other folks. She was going to trade me more than 1 after she was happy that I agreed.



russellmael
(wild eyed peoploid)
10/10/03 07:14 AM
Re: I THINK I HAVE BEEN RIPPED OFF ON A BOWIE TRADE new [re: isabelleguns]  

1) Only trade like for like (1 hour of audio for 1 hour of audi etc) unless you know the person or can strike a deal that you feel fair

2) if you instigate the trade, explain that you feel more comfortable sending out on receipt

3) No one forces you to trade a swap you don't want. You are entitled to ask for more.

4) If the other person gets funny and it falls through, it doesn't matter.... Why are they getting funny?

5) With the artists mentioned here, they aren't exactly rare, so just move onto the next person who has them

6) You know her address.... do something about it.



ermacowns
(grinning soul)
10/10/03 11:41 AM
Re: I THINK I HAVE BEEN RIPPED OFF ON A BOWIE TRADE new [re: NoControl]  

In reply to:

IG traded 8 boots for 1 Bowie recording, for fuck's sake!


It wasn't very clear. The way I read it, she only wanted to trade 8 for 8 instead of 1 for 1, and I saw nothing wrong with that.

If she did agree to an 8 for 1 trade well...too bad.

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Smells like coffee in here!

hallospacepint
(grinning soul)
10/10/03 01:48 PM
Re: I THINK I HAVE BEEN RIPPED OFF ON A BOWIE TRADE new [re: isabelleguns]  

Proper bastards I tell thee!
I remember when I ordered some Bowie ear muffs, they cost me $24 from a Yokel. When I studied them closely I noticed that he'd stuck a picture of David Bowie eating an ice cream on them. Sick joke, it was a strawberry ice cream.

"...Do sit down sergeant, shocks are so much better absorbed with the knees bent!..."

isabelleguns
(grinning soul)
10/10/03 03:00 PM
Re: I THINK I HAVE BEEN RIPPED OFF ON A BOWIE TRADE new [re: hallospacepint]  

LOL, that made me laugh thanks man. So basically in the end no matter who instigates the trade it is okay to rip someone off, nice, you guys are fucked in the head if you find ripping off someone acceptable, no matter who instigated the trade. Obviously you guys don't trade then or knowing trading rules etc. I wasn't posting to look for agreement or anything just pointing out to be careful not to trade with this person but now I am wondering about most of the people on here who are more fucked in the head to find this acceptable than Chrissy for ripping me off. What I find even more pathetic is the people who PVT Messaged me haven't even responded to the thread but continue to make PVT messages 'cause they are too pussy to say something, for that, they deserve to be ripped off and I am laughing at them but I don't see why I should let things like this slide especially since not only has she posted here, she posted on wonderworld looking for trades that she hasn't completed.




isabelleguns
(grinning soul)
10/10/03 03:01 PM
Re: I THINK I HAVE BEEN RIPPED OFF ON A BOWIE TRADE new [re: isabelleguns]  

BTW, in the end, it did work out to 8 for 8 after long negotiations but I still haven;'t received shit all from her.



amoeba_
(wild eyed peoploid)
10/10/03 03:03 PM
Re: I THINK I HAVE BEEN RIPPED OFF ON A BOWIE TRADE new [re: isabelleguns]  

In reply to:

If it turns out that my CD (S) is on it's way, than she will get an apology.


it strikes me that perhaps you should wait until you know for sure if you have been ripped off or not before you start slinging mud around!

I love children so much that I wanted to cry but didn't want to smear the make-up.

NoControl
(kook)
10/10/03 05:42 PM
Re: I THINK I HAVE BEEN RIPPED OFF ON A BOWIE TRADE new [re: russellmael]  

Dumbass!

...don't tell god your plans...

NoControl
(kook)
10/10/03 05:43 PM
Re: I THINK I HAVE BEEN RIPPED OFF ON A BOWIE TRADE new [re: ermacowns]  

Bigger Dumbass!

...don't tell god your plans...

NoControl
(kook)
10/10/03 05:44 PM
Re: I THINK I HAVE BEEN RIPPED OFF ON A BOWIE TRADE new [re: amoeba_]  

Major Dumbass!

...don't tell god your plans...

tv eye
(stardust savant)
10/10/03 06:26 PM
Re: I THINK I HAVE BEEN RIPPED OFF ON A BOWIE TRADE new [re: NoControl]  

wath your language, young man (lady). it's you and your girlfriend who a) can't read and b) are throwing around accusations without having any proof to them.



vintagerock24
(electric tomato)
10/10/03 08:31 PM
Re: I THINK I HAVE BEEN RIPPED OFF ON A BOWIE TRADE new [re: tv eye]  

And this is why I use secure trading areas!

T.ReXBowiE

Well if it's hers, then it must be mine. It's a ripoff...

chrissy1
(absolute beginner )
10/11/03 12:27 PM
Re: I THINK I HAVE BEEN RIPPED OFF ON A BOWIE TRADE new [re: isabelleguns]  

ripped off?
i sent them to u .
i think ure speaking a bit too soon.
i sent roxy music, bryan ferry ( toronto shows )
and bowie vancouver.
im just cloggged up with requests for other shows.
im in toronto , remember --major city for concerts here. i go to many many many many shows and i post and i AM DELUGED WITH REQUESTS AND TRADES........
your trade is among the others i must care for.

PLEASE RETRACT YOUR MESSAGE NOW.
ive seen ure webpage...its nice and all. and i think u have a great future ahead of u. i commented on how entrepreneurial u are . i have to admit. ure very creative and a whiz at what u do....but i would never put photos of ex- friends and a rundown on why u hate them. that s a bit too sticky for me to handle....reasons such as ( because they chose to hang with other friends and not your birthday party )...i mean....people make mistakes...be more forgiving to people, look at oneself first and see if ure perfect.,....and if ure not....NEVER expect others to be perfect either. forgive, but never forget. thats it.
if im as hard -edged and emotionally implusive as ureself...id probably say harder words but i dont.
i understand ure worry. who wouldnt.....next time.. wait , then see,,,,dont run to TWL and say things ure not sure about.

...ps
ive recieved ure cds....and its MISSING "ONE CD".....
AM I GOING TO GO ON THIS SITE AND SAY...
""" IM MISSING ONE CD..SHE RIPPED ME OFF!!!! "
....simply put..."no"....i wait and i see.
i dont make fast judements. .
please be reasonable
*** anybody who has any concerns of my authenticity please mail me at livehaus4@fastmail.fm
thank u
c



chrissy1
(absolute beginner )
10/11/03 12:57 PM
SHILA BHIMJI..U ARE LYING new [re: isabelleguns]  

OK,.................first I SENT THE SHOWS...3 SHOWS NOT 1
.
now...SHILA BHIMJI who i am trading with says that i am riiping her off...
the rundown

1)...i gave u a LIST OF THINGS for u to CHOOSE!
2)....U ONLY CHOSE 3 SHOWS!---- BOWIE 97, roxy MUSIC- TORONTO , AND PETER GABRIEL 2002 TORONTO !!!!!!

**** HOW CAN U SAY URE GIVING ME 8 FOR 1 ******...?...are u trying to cheese it up a bit to make me look bad YOU R LYING SHILA..and thats not right.

IF U AGREED TO IT. THATS FINE.
I GAVE U A CHANCE TO MAKE IT EQUAL. BUT U CHOSE AS SUCH.
....ok....now thats out of the way....

you gave me depeche mode in vancouver 2001, 2 cds....they are both IDENTICAL CDS of the last half of the show.....ITS MISSING THE FIRST HALF OF THE SHOW.
.now... will i go on here at TWL .giving u SHIT FOR IT??!
.......never.....THAT NOT COOL. i even told u that my computer and cd burner was going bonkers and is down. and u agreed to mini discs......

your website is nice.
WWW.LOLLYPOPSHOVED.COM
but in the "ME" SECTION... u can click on a section called
" PEOPLE I HATE"...
http://www.lollypopshoved.com/LOLLYPOPSITE/hate.htm

....u include friends from even grade school???? with photos???? how can u do that? thats so childsplay.this is VERY INDICATIVE OF HOW U TREAT PEOPLE IN TRADES...U ARE HURT VERY QUICKLY AND QUICK TO FIGHT ON REVENGE...BY WAY OF INTERNET....in this case....TWL....warning-------do not put me on that list.

i dont harbour any ill thoughts about u though. i understand ure insecurities. everybody has a different social upbringing and are defined by their socialization with the people they meet and their experiences with the world around them. i believe that u have not been treated well by others and i can sympathize with that.
but please RETRACT YOUR MESSAGES ABOUT ME ON THIS TWL SITE IMMEDIATELY.
any concerns please contact me at livehaus4@fastmail.fm
i thank u ahead of time.
c



RealThing
(electric tomato)
10/11/03 02:42 PM
Re: I THINK I HAVE BEEN RIPPED OFF ON A BOWIE TRADE new [re: chrissy1]  

In reply to:

im in toronto , remember --major city for concerts here.


It is? Since when? Why didn't anyone notify me of this?!

I love how people go to all the trouble of bitching each other out on a public message board, and yet every other word is a contraction or short form of some sort. I've always found that highly asmusing.

Inconsiderate and uncultured, that's an educated edge!



vintagerock24
(electric tomato)
10/12/03 00:36 AM
Can we try PMING PLEASE new [re: RealThing]  

Anyway what the hell, this is just taking up space.

T.ReXBowiE


There's never gonna be enough drugs,so I'm never ever gonna get high and I'm never ever gonna get low

isabelleguns
(grinning soul)
10/12/03 05:07 AM
Re: SHILA BHIMJI..U ARE LYING new [re: chrissy1]  

You just e-mailed me Chrissy telling me that it came back returned to sender which happens in the post office so I will give the benefit of the doubt. I was trying to get the CD's out to you ASAp so the two same disks for DM was a mistake yes but I would expect the same respect and promptness in my trade considering that on a busy school and work scheduled, I busted my ass to get those out to you in a timely fashion and if you were so swamped with trades, how come you couldn't just simply say, "I have a lot of trades to get through, this may take time?" You know very well why I jumped to the conclusions that I did, you know that I have been looking for this show 3 times now and got ripped off three times on the same show from dead beat bidders. You also know that my hate page and whatever else is on my webpage has nothing to do with the trading situation that is going on right now. I think you're just looking for something to amuse yourself and throw back at me. You couldn't even read the disclaimer on the hate page so I don't expect you to comprehend anything that I have written or said here and in e-mails. I am not made anymore and I will not retract my comments at the moment, as stated in e-mails until my MD's come in the mail.

I have said it twice and I have said it once in e-mail. When the MD's come in the mail, I will make a public apology to you and everyone else on TWL for taking up space by creating the thread that I did.

Good day.



soho_beatnik
(electric tomato)
10/12/03 07:48 AM
Re: I THINK I HAVE BEEN RIPPED OFF ON A BOWIE TRADE new [re: isabelleguns]  

Oh, so you and NoControl are an item...

That explains why he bit my head off when I mentioned your unsettling appearance in your avatar in an earlier thread.

Each to his own.

Miss Anders... I didn't recognize you with your clothes on.

chrissy1
(mortal with potential)
10/16/03 10:01 AM
HAPPY PEOPLE new [re: isabelleguns]  

hi chrissy here :)

1). u agreed to our trade.
2). send me a package in the mail with a nice note saying u are "grateful for the trade"
3). the coming days u go online on TWL announcing to the world uve been ripped off.
4) confusion ensues. which is it ?

7 people have recieved the bowie vancouver 97 and they are happy people.
i can only hope u like the show too if u can only take the time to stop criticizing and hating your old friends and me on the internet. please try not to hold a grudge on people and impulsively react by way of fiery emotions and BLOW UP on the internet. ure health and relations with the world around u depends on it. u have a a good future if u can only keep ure emotions in under control. this is just my advice.but im sure in ure next email youll ask me to go f_uck off again right?
u take care shila.

chrissy



isabelleguns
(grinning soul)
10/16/03 10:12 PM
Re: HAPPY PEOPLE new [re: chrissy1]  

That note and package was sent out way before this shit happened. Check the Post Office processing stamp on the envelope where the stamps are, it usually says the posting date and then compared it to the time and date of when this thread was started. You will notice the significant time difference meaning I sent the package out two days after our first e-mail of agreement and I was greatful of the effort at the time the package was sent out hoping that mine would be coming soon. It takes 2 - 3 days at the most from CND city to CND city...you do the math..nice try trying to pin crap on me...better luck next time.



gtrobster
(wild eyed peoploid)
10/19/03 06:55 PM
wow new [re: isabelleguns]  

unreal.....how old are you all?....




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