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Pablo-Picasso
(stardust savant)
10/26/05 09:27 AM
Re: David Bowie's 1st LP EVER, DERAM VINYL MONO RA new [re: russellmael]  

Although the stereo version of this album would be more widespread, an original stereo 1967 edition would be rarer than the mono one as it was not until a couple of years later that stereo really became the prefered format.



diamondogz74
(freecloud)
10/26/05 09:31 AM
Re: David Bowie's 1st LP EVER, DERAM VINYL MONO RARE R new [re: russellmael]  

In reply to:

It's mono... isn't it the stereo one that is worth more? Don't quote me on that, though.


I haven't got the foggiest Russell, It does seem odd releasing it in mono then in stereo in the same year I take it?

And why mono it was the mid 1960s and stereo had been around since 1956 on a commercial basis.


London Bye Ta-Ta...

Pablo-Picasso
(stardust savant)
10/26/05 09:39 AM
Re: David Bowie's 1st LP EVER, DERAM VINYL MONO RA new [re: diamondogz74]  

Anthony, although Stereo had been around since 1956 it really only became commonplace as the main medium in the very late sixties. For example the White album was the first Beatles album that was primarily mixed in stereo first. All the albums up to then had been mixed meticulously in mono and then almost as an afterthought mixed in stereo. Abbey road was the first Beatles album only released in Stereo and some Beatles fans still prefer the mono albums over the stereo.

So as you can see releasing both mono and stereo albumes at the same time was not odd at all and was in fact the industry standard. The stereo albums would usually, especially at the start of the decade be produced to much smaller numbers than the mono. The original stereo version of Please please me for instance is worth thousands.



diamondogz74
(freecloud)
10/26/05 10:34 AM
Re: David Bowie's 1st LP EVER, DERAM VINYL MONO RA new [re: Pablo-Picasso]  

Hey! thanks Alan I never knew that about the Beatles albums, been a while since I actually learnt anything off here of late, much appreciated I assure you.


London Bye Ta-Ta...

russellmael
(electric tomato)
10/26/05 10:56 AM
Re: David Bowie's 1st LP EVER, DERAM VINYL MONO RA [re: diamondogz74]  

The fastest land mammal is the cheetah.



diamondogz74
(freecloud)
10/26/05 01:28 PM
Re: David Bowie's 1st LP EVER, DERAM VINYL MONO RA [re: russellmael]  

In reply to:

The fastest land mammal is the cheetah.


Or Monkeyboy with Lorenzo et al chasing him


London Bye Ta-Ta...

bowiefanpeter
(the voyeur)
10/26/05 07:41 PM
Re: David Bowie's 1st LP EVER, DERAM VINYL MONO RA [re: Pablo-Picasso]  

<<Beatles Mono/Stereo>>

About 6 of their mid catalogue, the fab 4 and george martin only oversaw the Mono mixes. The Stereo mixes were done by underlings who were probably not at the sessions.

There is a reason why the original Mono vinyl is worth hundreds of $ each, even though they sold millions of them.

I've had the Mono Pepper, and now refuse to listen to any version.

IIRC,the mono Beatles have never been reissued outside the sixties. Recently, there has been vinyl reissues of mono albums by Dylan, hendrix, Pink Floyd and the velvets which have done very well.

bfp



Pablo-Picasso
(stardust savant)
10/27/05 00:21 AM
Re: David Bowie's 1st LP EVER, DERAM VINYL MONO RA [re: bowiefanpeter]  

In the early 80s I can remember seeing mono versions of the pre Pepper albums on occasions in the shops, and I am talking even high-street multiples like WH Smiths selling them, so they were still pressing them at that time. On cd the first four Beatles albums were released in Mono, but there was a huge argument about it at the time, with people saying that they should have released more of them in mono, up to at least Rubber Soul. The stereo separation on the Beatles albums up to and including Revolver is pretty horrible, with basically instruments in one speaker and vocals in the other. They did get better with Sgt Pepper, but I too got a dubbed from vinyl mono cd a few months ago, the first time I had heard the mono mix, and there are all these bits and pieces missing from the stereo. I remember in 1987 when the cd came out that either Ringo or George was really disappointed with the cd. It turned out that for the previous 20 years they had only ever heard the mono version of the album. For a lot of the Beat groups (The Hollies, Gerry and the Pacemakers etc) EMI did some good rereleases which had the mono and stereo versions of their albums on one cd. It is a shame that Apple corps are reticent to do the same for the Beatles. We still have 18 year old cds on the shelves for them. I am suprised more hasn't been done with the Beatles catalogue, considering how much it is worth. Beatles fans are the most fanatical of beasts and EMI are losing out on a huge market by not giving the Beatles cds a revamp. Apart from Pepper, all the other original cds are pretty basic, basically the packaging from the original albums and that's it. All of the albums up to and including Pepper should have the mono/stereo format adopted (like they did with the first four Capitol albums in 2004). The white album is a trickier beast, but a bonus disc of tracks which are significally different in mono would be ok (eg Don't pass me by is at a different speed and Helter Skelter is shorter in mono). The albums after The white album, were, I think, only released in stereo.



bowiefanpeter
(the voyeur)
10/27/05 00:41 AM
Re: David Bowie's 1st LP EVER, DERAM VINYL MONO RA [re: Pablo-Picasso]  

<<18 year old cds>>

They fixed up the US albums, #1s and remixed the YS soundtrack. McCartney also oversaw the DVD audio on the Anthology release. In the late 90's they Pepper reissue ready to press, but it got removed at the last minute.

Another problem with the Beatles CDs is the failure to use the absolute mixdown master tapes. I've heard that 3rd and 4th generation tapes have been used in some instances.

I have heard about some unofficial DVDAs made from various sources all some/all of the Beatles albums. It's done by professional sound engineers doing it on their free time. If the sound quality is better than the CDs, i'm surprised the story hasn't been picked up by news outlets.

Are all Beatles albums officially available in stereo at one time or another?

bfp



Pablo-Picasso
(stardust savant)
10/27/05 00:56 AM
Re: David Bowie's 1st LP EVER, DERAM VINYL MONO RA [re: bowiefanpeter]  

Yeah, admittedly there has been some good quality reissues from Beatles at the BBC up to Let it Be dvd which is due this year. But the core of the catalogue, the 13 albums from Please Please me to Let it be are cruelly ignored by Apple/EMI. Any other company would have at least remastered them once by now and given them a vastly improved cd booklet. I look at the Beach Boys reissue campaign from the early 90s on how good things can be. (Incidently most of the BB's 60s work was reissued in mono because that is how Brian mixed them, giving him total control on the final mix people hear).

All the Beatles albums were available in Stereo on vinyl right up to the late 80s. I am not sure what the status is now on other formats but on cd the first four albums are mono with the rest in stereo on cd. There is a box set of the first four US albums which was released last year that has the mono and stereo versions of each album on the same disc.

Incidently regarding stereo v mono. There are some significally different takes between the two. Please please me and Help were totally different takes on the mono singles, If I fell on the stereo Hard days night has a different vocal take, and includes them getting the words wrong (this happens on the stereo please please me too). The stereo version of From me to you was only mixed for inclusion on the 1966 Oldie but goldies album and when they did the stereo mix, they found out that they didn't have the harmonica overdub anymore, so the stereo version has no harmonica on it.




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