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AdamAdministrator
(acolyte)
05/07/05 05:32 AM
Surrender your collections new  

I think we can all agree that the greatness of David Bowie is his music, a fairly pure sensory experience.....minus the cost of a compact disc.

But one thing strikes me as odd about this forum and that is the supposed 'need' to collect beyond the completed acquisition of his music.

For instance, what does one actually gain from 'owning' a CD copy of ChangesTwoBowie other than satisfying a need to 'have' or to 'own'?

Surely the 'collector' as opposed to the 'completist' operates under the jurisdiction of needless consumerism.....or materialism....or something very odd.

But all is not lost.

As a method of redeeming your capitalist ways, I offer you the chance to donate to me, the non-collector.


The Last of the Disco Kings MP3 by Adam D Versus David B

poorsoul
(you will pay mr jones)
05/07/05 05:56 AM
Give Me Your Earstimulatingobjects new [re: Adam]  

In reply to:

Surely the 'collector' as opposed to the 'completist' operates under the jurisdiction of needless consumerism.....or materialism....or something very odd.



I thought it was the other way around, that a "collector" only gathers up items of interest, whereas a "completist" has to have it all.

Is Thursday OK to drop mine off?

He's My Brother



Pablo-Picasso
(wild eyed peoploid)
05/07/05 06:27 AM
Re: Surrender your collections new [re: Adam]  

Are you paying the shipping?


I haven't got a signature at the moment.


diamondogz74
(freecloud)
05/07/05 08:47 AM
Re: Surrender your collections new [re: Adam]  

In reply to:

For instance, what does one actually gain from 'owning' a CD copy of ChangesTwoBowie other than satisfying a need to 'have' or to 'own'?


I gain great pleasure from owning these items, Im so proud of them I have them on display in my study/computer room, It's virtually a shrine to Bowie now ( no kidding ) It's just lovely to be surrounded by all these goodies.

In reply to:

As a method of redeeming your capitalist ways, I offer you the chance to donate to me, the non-collector.


In a word NO buy your own.


London Bye Ta-Ta...

yirmiahu
(grinning soul)
05/07/05 03:46 PM
Re: Surrender your collections new [re: Adam]  

I think the completed acquisition of his music is open to individual interpretation. Some people might have collections on vinyl while others on CD's or in some strange cases cassette tapes or MP3's. It might be enough for one person to just have the 13 or so studio albums but another might want rare trax that go along with collecting. For instance my vinyl collection spans 1969 thru 2004 and represents every year of Bowie activity through that time. A while back I decided to do the same on CD since it was the more acceptable modern format. I only duplicated the studio albums and in some cases picked up valuable bonus tracks along the way. I also had a representative recording for each tour. There is so much out there to get. It's a good idea to decide what it is you truly want and what's important to you. My collection cost me a fair amount of money but I don't think of it in terms of consumerism or materialism. Bowie's music and life mean much more to me than just mere possessions.

I guess that's why there are fan level ratings in the user entries.

And no you can't have my collection because clearly you wouldn't appreciate it.



diamondogz74
(freecloud)
05/07/05 03:51 PM
Re: Surrender your collections new [re: yirmiahu]  

In reply to:

My collection cost me a fair amount of money but I don't think of it in terms of consumerism or materialism. Bowie's music and life mean much more to me than just mere possessions.


Well put and I agree 100%.



London Bye Ta-Ta...

Atonalexpress
(acolyte)
05/07/05 06:17 PM
Re: Surrender your collections new [re: Adam]  

In reply to:

For instance, what does one actually gain from 'owning' a CD copy of ChangesTwoBowie other than satisfying a need to 'have' or to 'own'?


The cover art? The real answer could be nothing except a more depleted bank account.


The Atonal Express left the tonal world behind...

Humbert
(wild eyed peoploid)
05/08/05 05:50 AM
Re: Surrender your collections new [re: yirmiahu]  

There are twenty-six studio albums.

"Part of Iggy Pop's unique sort of integrity is that the man doesn't seem to know how to sell out, even when he tries..."- Mark Deming.

Forgotten_Boy
(grinning soul)
05/08/05 08:38 AM
Re: Surrender your collections new [re: Humbert]  

Ahh yes I picked that up too. Perhaps the suggestion is there are only 13 GOOD ones?



yirmiahu
(grinning soul)
05/08/05 03:15 PM
Re: Surrender your collections new [re: Humbert]  

Congratulations Humbert!..... Johnny, tell him what he's won

Of course there are more than 13, but I was referring to an imaginary average fan. When I think of average fans I usually envision them buying from the main body of Bowie's work 69-80. Maybe picking up an album from 90's or present time.

I mean if you're gonna buy ALL the studio albums then you might as well start buying some rarities, cause in my opinion you've started collecting.



globule2
(crash course raver)
05/30/05 11:01 PM
Re: Surrender your collections new [re: Adam]  

In reply to:

what does one actually gain from 'owning' a CD copy of ChangesTwoBowie other than satisfying a need to 'have' or to 'own'?


One gets one last picture of Bowie smoking a Gitanes. Things go Dunhilll after that (well, Marlboro, actually).



AdamAdministrator
(acolyte)
06/06/05 06:35 AM
collecting new [re: yirmiahu]  

Owning strange case cassette tapes or ChangesTwoBowie on CD will not result in hearing more music nor will it result in providing good cover art compared to it's cheaper vinyl counterpart. Rather, the product is a transitional object - more of a 'representation' than anything. So I am starting to think that some aspects of collecting might become a dynamic of hoarding or obsessive compulsive behaviour. Surrender before it is too late!

yirmiahu
(grinning soul)
06/06/05 08:22 PM
Re: collecting new [re: Adam]  

It's odd posting on message boards as something always seems to get lost in the translation. It's just not quite the same as the old fashioned face to face.

I'm sorry. I said strange cases of collecting cassette tapes not strange case cassette tapes. I really don't see why somebody would collect cassette tapes really. I mean if your going for good sound quality then CD's & Vinyl are where it's at.

I wouldn't buy a copy of ChangesTwo on CD since I already have the vinyl album. But for others it might 'represent' something more to them than just the lack of more music.

You haven't really shared much about yourself Adam. Instead choosing to maintain a reluctant distance than tell us about your collecting methods. Taking into consideration that Bowie albums are prone to excessive reissues with major or only minor additions to them, where do you draw the line? Your bio says your HARDCORE. Do you own all of his studio albums? Isn't that a little bit obsessive in itself. I mean there are some real stinkers in Bowie's music catalog.

I guess I'm saying the line is blurred and it seems your trying to define that line without revealing much about yourself, just typecasting us.



AdamAdministrator
(acolyte)
06/07/05 10:27 AM
Re: collecting new [re: yirmiahu]  

Well, I am as obsessive a fan as anyone but my obsessions don't really apply to this forum so I was just having some fun with that.

As for me, I live in a small apartment so I am quite careful about collecting things that clutter my house. I also have little or no appreciation for the 'rarity' of items. For me, a fake diamond is as good as the real thing if at the end of the day, it looks the same. And the Man Who Sold The World dress cover is no different to any other vinyl item - with the chief difference that someone tells you that it's important.

As for my Bowie collection, of course I own all the studio albums. But then I consider this to be more 'sensory experience' than 'ownership of product'. All of those albums contain at least some excellent music and have enough enjoyment to remain in my collection. The one exception is the debut album which I still don't own but I am satisfied enough with the considerably superior, Rock Reflections compilation.

Now some people, I understand, genuinely don't like some Bowie albums.....but they hold on to them for the sake of completism or understanding the artist to their full capacity. I am not sure how I feel about that exactly. I can see the point of view but as a personal preference, I usually don't go for it. I tend to get rid of all albums I don't like with little or no exceptions. But I could see why one might want to hold on to something for later revisional purposes or academic study.

Another thing - I collect other musician's cover versions of Bowie's music via MP3 and CD and have in the range of 400 or 500 at present. Again, this is more sensory than anything as some are even better than the originals.

As for my actual 'collecting habits' - where I have stepped over the line into what I think is sheer ownership of product, I guess that would be DD 30th Anniversary Edition. The deluxe packaging is worth something though. Probably about $3-$5 realistically.

The Last of the Disco Kings MP3 by Adam D Versus David B

yirmiahu
(grinning soul)
06/07/05 03:37 PM
Re: collecting new [re: Adam]  

Right on...Good to know



Nature_Boy
(crash course raver)
09/20/05 08:03 AM
Re: collecting new [re: yirmiahu]  

I would say at the most basic level my Bowie collecting is summarised as "Owning a copy of every particular song, remix, live version, or edit on an officially released CD"

Although I have strayed into realms of meer ownership on more than one occasion. For example the Deram "David Bowie" CD, depsite owning the Deram Anthology. I know then I have Bowie's debut album on CD, with its original cover and it can stand in line with Bowie's other studio albums.

I also picked up the original CD copy of Tin Machine as it was going cheap. The 1999 remaster seems to have been reclaimed and marketed as being by Daivd Bowie, and I wanted a copy of the album that still belonged to Tin Machine, and could sit alongside Tin Machine II.

Madness!

Its about time I had a signature

The Thin White Duke: David Bowie Tribute Band

diamondogz74
(freecloud)
09/20/05 08:25 AM
Re: collecting new [re: Nature_Boy]  

In reply to:

For example the Deram "David Bowie" CD, depsite owning the Deram Anthology. I know then I have Bowie's debut album on CD, with its original cover and it can stand in line with Bowie's other studio albums.


I'm just the same Scott, I simply had to have Mr Bowie's first ever album ( albeit on CD ) I also bought the Japanese release of this...



Although I paid considerably more then it's current asking price It's limited to 5.000 release worldwide, click here

It has excatly the same tracks as the anthology even though it doesn't mention that fact on the packaging, Inside it is wrapped in a paper type sleeve as the original vinyl album would have been and the artwork is also exactly the same as the original album, the disc is white with Deram in orange print.

In reply to:

Madness!


It's a madness I feel comfortable with




London Bye Ta-Ta...

Pablo-Picasso
(stardust savant)
09/20/05 10:15 AM
Re: collecting new [re: diamondogz74]  

So when are you going to get around to Tin Machine? You posted this a year and a half ago.

Wake up!.


ocean
(wild eyed peoploid)
09/20/05 10:35 AM
Re: collecting new [re: Adam]  

When I was much younger I used to buy everything: the original studio vinyls, bootlegs (on vinyl then), compilations such as Changesone/twobowie, Rare (the italian release), Another face 1 and 2, Golden Years (and every other compilation that was released), 45'' singles, maxi singles, complete soundtracks for a couple of bowie songs, later the Rycodisc re-releases on vinyl, picture discs, then every studio album on CD, CD singles, bootlegs (on CD). Madness!!!

Now I am content to have more rare material downloaded from the internet, I made sure to buy the bootlegs from the gigs I attended during the Heathen and Reality tours, some cd's and dvd's and that's it. I would not buy any bootleg and it's OK to have CDs that are not original. I am not buying all the 30th anniversary releases. I have stopped being a completist and I am more choosy now. I will not rush to the music store to buy something. I consider collections a personal thing, in the sense that every item I have got reminds me of the time I got it. How old I was, how I felt and what I was doing at that time of my life. They are like a diary to me, they represent a lot of things to me. And that's the reason I don't want to buy items from other people.



diamondogz74
(freecloud)
09/20/05 02:41 PM
Re: collecting new [re: Pablo-Picasso]  

In reply to:

So when are you going to get around to Tin Machine? You posted this a year and a half ago.


Yeah I did, the thing is Alan when I wrote that post saying that this was an excellent sound "Tin Machine" tracks off the Sound and Vision boxset, I then had several replies saying that the "Tin Machine" tracks selected for the Sound and Vision boxset were not typical "Tin Machine" sounds ( look through the thread and you will see ), I was told those tracks were carefully selected because they sounded more Bowie than "Tin Machine".

Two times in my long devotion to the man called Bowie have I lost my way, once was with Let's Dance, t'other was with "Tin Machine" good lord even Bowie mocks those "Tin Machine" days, I just don't feel at ease with his performing as a band member, a band lead singer? yes, I have yet to be convinced that I would like these albums.

When it comes to Bowie I am a bit of a stick in mud, sorry.


London Bye Ta-Ta...

Pablo-Picasso
(stardust savant)
09/20/05 02:46 PM
Re: collecting new [re: diamondogz74]  

You will never know you like them or not, if you don't buy them. It doesn't matter what others say about them, whether good or bad, there is only one person who's opinion counts and that is yours.

You can buy multiple copies of albums you have, yet are missing out on two albums. Bowie is singing with a band. That is the case of every album he has ever made, he is still the one writing and singing the material.

Wake up!.


diamondogz74
(freecloud)
09/20/05 03:04 PM
Re: collecting new [re: Pablo-Picasso]  

In reply to:

You will never know you like them or not, if you don't buy them.


True! I suppose I am going to have to buy these albums sooner than later, If only for my now excited curiosity of others claims, yours included

In reply to:

Bowie is singing with a band. That is the case of every album he has ever made, he is still the one writing and singing the material.


Well let's say he has a band supporting him more than him actually playing with a band on every album, I think of them as a type of semi-permanent session band members, as with his current band line up.

Whereas "Tin Machine" was a more collective venture/experiment, I doubt very much I'm the only member of this forum that is not over keen on his "Tin Machine" days, but yes of course you're correct and I must make my own mind up, which I shall do before the year is out.




London Bye Ta-Ta...

Pablo-Picasso
(stardust savant)
09/20/05 03:13 PM
Re: collecting new [re: diamondogz74]  

There are people here who don't like Hunky Dory, Outside, Earthling, Heathen, Reality and nearly every other album/phase you can think of, so as I say, it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks (except me ).

On every album he has worked with people who help to arrange and shape the overall feel of the album (Ronson, Alomar, Eno, Gabrels etc) so in that respect every album is a collaboration between band and Bowie. I am sure Bowie would say that the three albums prior to Tin Machine are less Bowie albums that Tin Machine as he basically let the band/producer have a free hand in the arrangements and overall sound while he came in and sung the vocals. (Simplistic view but quite true for a lot of the songs).



Wake up!.


diamondogz74
(freecloud)
09/20/05 03:43 PM
Re: collecting [re: Pablo-Picasso]  

In reply to:

(except me ).


But of course

In reply to:

(Simplistic view but quite true for a lot of the songs).


Rather frighteningly accurate.

Tin Machine it is then




London Bye Ta-Ta...

Pablo-Picasso
(stardust savant)
09/20/05 03:44 PM
Re: collecting new [re: diamondogz74]  

Mr Bowie, can I have a cut of the royalties please?

Wake up!.


diamondogz74
(freecloud)
09/20/05 03:49 PM
Re: collecting new [re: Pablo-Picasso]  

In reply to:

Mr Bowie, can I have a cut of the royalties please?


Rumour has it he's rather tight with his dosh


London Bye Ta-Ta...

kintanofan
(grinning soul)
11/26/05 02:04 PM
Re: Surrender your collections new [re: diamondogz74]  

this post made me question myself and buying everything that I buy. I'm not sure I like it.

"I find freedom only in the realms of my own eccentricity"
-David Bowie

diamondogz74
(freecloud)
11/26/05 03:15 PM
Re: Surrender your collections new [re: kintanofan]  

In reply to:

this post made me question myself and buying everything that I buy. I'm not sure I like it.


What the fact that Bowie is tight with money according to rumour? as far as I know from what I've heard/read this is a true statement, yes the old boy is rather tight.


London Bye Ta-Ta...

kintanofan
(grinning soul)
11/26/05 04:19 PM
Re: Surrender your collections new [re: diamondogz74]  

ahhh. no. haha I dont care if he likes his money. ;)
The main point of the post,was what I was talking about. For example, I have 3 versions of Black Tie White Noise, and I got the latest one, with the dvd. But I am still planning on buying the dvd itself.
A "waste" of money since I already have it. But for some reason unknown, I still want the dvd.

"I find freedom only in the realms of my own eccentricity"
-David Bowie

diamondogz74
(freecloud)
11/27/05 07:27 AM
Re: Surrender your collections new [re: kintanofan]  

Alright I'm with you now Yeah I know what you mean about buying multiples of certain Bowie items, the said one in question being the single BTWN dvd, I must confess I did buy the single dvd seperate from the 3 disc collection, I know I'm mad but I can't help it

It's such a compulsion.


London Bye Ta-Ta...

PaisleyPinUp
(absolute beginner )
12/28/05 02:34 PM
Re: Surrender your collections new [re: Adam]  

oh lordy, i used to collect Bowie things like a mad fiend...i even got the 1.outside decal to put on my car....stupid stuff I just do not need. Then I moved out of my parents' house and realized that selling my ryko aladdin sane cd could help out with rent....you know? I'm sick of having piles of obsessive stuff that I never even go near. I will be putting a whole bunch fo Bowie stuff in the collector's corner, just so everyone knows...posters and bootlegs and such...I even have that 10 picture disc set called 'Fashions'...i have two of those sets because I was so crazy.



diamondogz74
(freecloud)
12/28/05 03:04 PM
Re: Surrender your collections new [re: PaisleyPinUp]  

I just hope you don't regret your actions, when did you first start to realise this vast collection of Bowie goodies lost your interest? I know you sold Aladdin Sane for rent money, but you could put that down to necessity, as for all the other stuff?


London Bye Ta-Ta...

PaisleyPinUp
(mortal with potential)
12/28/05 03:12 PM
Re: Surrender your collections new [re: diamondogz74]  

It is all mostly being given away for rent money, and grocery money....etc etc. I am a very obsessive person, and when I first get into a performer, or a film, or something, I will go out and get EVERYTHING associated, which is so silly. I am getting a lot better about it, but I need to learn about giving up material posessions and saving space in my incredibly tiny apartment. I also need to learn how to save money. it is almost inpossible in southern california to save money what with rent prices...aaargh. I have always been known to sell my cds for lunch money and such. It is for the best. And I always keep what I really love. There are some Bowie items I would never let go of (sound and vision set, scary monsters stamps)....but my 1.Outside bootlegs? Those are ok to give to someone else.



diamondogz74
(freecloud)
12/28/05 03:24 PM
Re: Surrender your collections new [re: PaisleyPinUp]  

In reply to:

It is all mostly being given away for rent money, and grocery money....etc etc.


That much I understand, sad as it is, after all the time and effort ( and money ) you spent collecting these Bowie items.

In reply to:

I am a very obsessive person


I'm quite similar when it comes to Bowie and DVDs of films/television etc... It is very easy to get carried away with collecting.

In reply to:

There are some Bowie items I would never let go of (sound and vision set, scary monsters stamps)....but my 1.Outside bootlegs? Those are ok to give to someone else


What a nice thing to say like me somethings I would rather give away to friends than sell for peanuts.


London Bye Ta-Ta...


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