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Auntie Prism
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02/25/11 04:42 PM
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Marquis: [Lock this thread]: Its making my head hurt. That dog looks a lot like my beloved Juno, p2c, although her ears are lopsided. She was on Doggie Death Row as well before my parents adopted her. Now she's sitting at my feet, for which fact I am thankful. I love this dog.

TJ, what I meant is that there was a lot of hotheadedness floating around this thread, but for once, you weren't at the center of it!

T.J. Newton: [A sudden change of heart]:

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TJ, what I meant is that there was a lot of hotheadedness floating around this thread, but for once, you weren't at the center of it!


See, Marquis! You've been underestimating me for a long time and, as you can see, even I can control myself

arahael:

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. I think it's fascinating that many of these ancient cultures, sure, they killed animals, but they were almost sorry about it, they showed the animals the deepest respect. We're lightyears from that sort of respect today.


not quite so many as you think. the egyptians are really one of the only cultures that i can think of that showed animals great respect. well, some animals. the egyptians hunted A LOT! look at Middle and New Kingdom tomb painting. most people had hunting and/or battle scenes depicted in their tombs because they wanted to bring it with them into the afterlife.
the clacladic people sacrificed animals, they worshiped trees and caves. the mycenaean's favorite thing to do was kill. the minoans participated in bull leaping. then they would drug the bull, kill it, and then eat it in homage to the earth mother.
i don't really see vegitarianism as a solution. i don't eat much meat, but then again, i hate the way it tastes. the sacred cows-- didn't you say that "this is the way it should be" or something like that? it isn't. these cows are starving, diseased, and miserable. i'm not all for letting animals run wild and treated the same as humans. yes, animals have feelings, but that doesn't mean that they are not also a resource that can be used to nourish us. animals eat other animals, the world is a brutal place and everyone is trying to survive.
personally, i get a little outraged when people tell me i should eat what they eat, when millions of acres of land are ravaged and levelled to make way for more farms. losing these acres of land cause millions of animals to die horrible deaths that are JUST AS BAD as those that are bred to be eaten.
plants are living creatures too. why should we draw the line at animals?

i really had meant to just write the lightheated look at ancient cultures, but i could not exercise self-restraint on this. whoops.

SAVE THE SOYBEAN!

glamourpuss: [Dogshelters and Sweden]: Of course there are dog shelters in Sweden too. There's even one in the little tiny town where I live. Swedish people in my opinion (me not being Swedish but only living here) are as irresponsible as everybody else.

So this was my meaningless contribution to this thread. :-)

dukewhite: [Cats, friends, what about the cats?]: What about cats, people? We can't neglect our feline friends while focusing only on dogs. The same things happen to them...breeding and euthanasia. And let's not forget that we have to save them from the obligatory "crazy cat lady" that lives just around the corner from each and every one of us. We just don't know it til it makes the front page.

strangeDivine: My original post was deleted when I tried to submit it, due to my connection problems. I've been debating about whether to just forget about it, but I cannot allow one of my jewels to just dissappear completely like that. I'm going to be very to the point.

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I think it is moral, because I think having a child must be, for many, what life is about, you know?


I don't think that there is anything wrong with the desire to have a child. It's completely normal. But it's like you said once about the fashion industry. It seems a little selfish to spend $1000 on an outfit when some people don't even have enough food to eat! But, if you're not going to donate that $1000 to charity or something, go ahead and buy the outfit anyway if your only objection is a moral one. Because honestly, well-wishes are nice, but sympathy without action doesn't do a lot for a starving person. It seems a little selfish to bring new children into the world when there are children out there who don't have parents at all. I'm not saying don't have children. But this is just my general advice for society. If after having one or two children you still want more, just adopt. It's the socially responsible thing to do. If we could all be a little more conservative in regard to our rate of reproduction, we might be able to avoid the government having to enforce strict population control methods in the future.

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arachal: i get a little outraged when people tell me i should eat what they eat, when millions of acres of land are ravaged and levelled to make way for more farms. losing these acres of land cause millions of animals to die horrible deaths that are JUST AS BAD as those that are bred to be eaten.


Yes, but how many of those acres of land are being used to produce grain etc. for livestock? Raising animals requires great amounts of land and agricultural resources. How many would-be forests are now pastures? If we reduced our reliance on meat in our diets, the amount of farm animals in existence would decrease because they are bred according to market demads. Theoretically, we could free up a lot of land if we reduced our reliance on animals as a food source. However, the greater dependence on plants could just fill in the gap left by the former meat industry. So, the need for land and resources might even out. I'm probably unable to figure that out. Are there any mathematically-minded TWers with statistics at the ready who could calculate that?

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plants are living creatures too. why should we draw the line at animals?


I suppose we can't be absolutely certain, but I think most evidence points in the direction that plants do not possess sentience. Plants do not posess brains or a central nervous system, therefore they cannot process fear, pain, discomfort, all of which members of the animal kingdom can. This doesn't mean that we should just go all willy nilly in regard to our plant consumption as a society, because yes they are a resource that we shouldn't overuse if we don't have to. But many of the objections that people generally have about the killing of animals can't logically be applied to plants.

Glitterbot: [did jesus kill all those other dogs?]: When I said "It's a dog," I wasn't calling dogs "its", I was saying, "It is a dog we are talking about." It being the subject. If we were talking about a baby, I would have said the same thing.

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I know this isn't a common belief to have, but I believe dogs are humans, in the sense that they're equal to humans.


Then why do you think it's okay that they're treated as a commodity? That's why I think it's so sick and wrong to have some dogs cost thousands of dollars while others are killed by the thousands. Mutts are just as loyal, loving, and cute (Purebreds all look basically the same, which I don't find very appealing) and smell just as good as purebred dogs. To me, dogs are basically the same if they're raised right- they're all cute and affectionate, so there's no reason other than status to get a purebred dog.

I mean, if you really thought dogs were like humans, then you must seek out human companions based on looks and breeding.

I understand that Mimi is worth $800 to you, I just think had you got a mutt puppy, you would have loved her just as much, because dogs are just sweet animals. It's like babies- you think your own child is the best, who you were destined to have, but you just think that because it's yours and that child loves you.

I'm not saying that you don't care about homeless dogs, just that I don't understand the purebred-dog logic. To me it's like buying a designer shirt for the label, which is so un-Jesus like. I think of you as Jesus2, you know.

As for the hypocrisy, I guess I raise dogs to a higher level than some animals, like say chickens. You mentioned you feed Mimi meat, but you would never feed a cow some ground-up dog, would you? Even you raise dogs higher than other animals. So I think we're conditioned to have certain feelings for certain animals.

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Mushrooms are sick and wrong!


On second thought, I could not have possibly spent $20 on mushrooms. It was clearly $10. Anyway, I only did it once. I hardly think that makes me deserve the name of Mushroom Girl. It was very Lynchian, anyway. You would have appreciated it, really.

Cucumber: [the men who know the price of everything...]: Dear youthful Glitterbot,

You shouldn't be squandering your non existent money on post secondary institutions,if you find socializing with strangers on internet appealing.

If I had your freedom and youth,I'd simply buy a car and hit the road(or steal a boat,or both)
I wouldn't volunteerly choose to end up trapped in a state of chronic ennui.
I'd travel great distances,live in foreign countries, explore different perspectives and collect ID's.But that's just me.

Good luck,

Olga

Passerby (Anonymous): [this is a big mess. I'm sorry.]: I find it incredible that no one called Eraserhead on the fact that he said "babies are why we're here, they're magical and life itself" [rough paraphrase] while at the same time advocating sterilization? fines? imprisonment? for Catholics who have more than 2.3 children because their religious beliefs dictate that to be moral. I think there's a religious bias behind that, and not too far from the surface either.

On the dog breeding issue: I do think that paying $2,000 or what have you for a dog highly prone to nervous disorders and genetic weaknesses is a silly idea, and having just seen Best in Show today my head is full of examples of why many people obsessed with this sort of industry (although Eraserhead doesn't seem to be terribly involved with it) are absolutely insane. However, all you mutt champions (and I'm one too) have to consider that your mutts wouldn't have their glorious variety and beauty had it not been for human beings breeding wolves for their own purposes. The entire dog species has arisen because of human involvement. While I'm no advocate of weak, personality-less dogs, certain amounts of purposeful breeding help create wonderful dogs. There are genetically falible ones, yes, but there are mutants constantly in every species, and those not best suited to the niche in which they find themselves will die, just as the purebred dogs will always be less common than their more vigorous counterparts.

And as for the vegetarianism/adoption argument....oh jeez. I've finally come to the conclusion that living is naturally a destructive process. In this world, either I kill animals or plants (barring synthesized protein Matrix junk) to continue my own life, or I die. I make the selfish decision to keep eating both, because I think the "poor ickle wickle animals" is a poor argument in a world that requires us to consume other organisms or die. At the same time, I think that the human invasion of the planet is a disgusting occurance that is ultimately bad for the human species as much as anything else. For that reason, I'm trying to cut back on the more environmentally-impacting foods, mainly meat, dairy, and fish, in favour for less-impacting alternatives. This is much more complex than simply not eating meat and having a light conscience at the end of the day - it requires a lot of research and I'm only at the beginning. It's also something that can and should affect every aspect of a person's life - avoidance of Indonesian hardwoods in furniture to avoid the extinction of organuatans in 20 years, and so on. This is a problem that no one can claim to have eliminated from their life, there is only minimization of one's negative effect, and because of that there can be a lot of flexibility. When I have low iron, no vitamin supplements, and I have a small steak, I don't feel particularly guilty because it was something I needed and that was a very good way to get it. Goes the same for having your own child, or using loads of paper for a business you run. SUVs I find less forgiveable, but there are those out there who actually *use* the 30,000 horsepower and enormous fenders...I hope. As long as you're making the effort to curb waste in most parts of your life, no one should be able to get on their green-painted soapbox and label you as immoral. They are ultimately in the same position as you, unless they live in the woods or on a substinence farm, in which case I applaud them but remind them that their way of living supports fewer people/acre and the population is too high for us all to live in communal harmony.
That being said, I'm no fan of the gratutitous cruelty occuring in many slaughterhouses. The only way I can see around this is for people to call attention to it: in the documentaries, in letters to companies, and in their boycott of huge dirty enterprises in favour of more compassionate farm owners.
We as a species probably need a good natural culling to rid the world of our pestilence. However, until my ultra-Malthusian boyfriend finds out how to destroy humanity while leaving Earth intact, this model of least-impact is the only thing I can see that will have any effect. A Cornell professor wrote a book advocating the taxation of foods in accordance with their effect on the environment. Tis an interesting idea, though another one that will have little effect on the ignorant rich and one that would hever fly in America. At any rate, there is no valid argument of dog-breeding versus vegetarianism, and there are no easy answers. There's just too many of us...

KingofNerds: [blah blah]:

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the men who know the price of everything...


...and the value of nothing...
How much is a dog's life worth again?!You people sicken me!

eraserhead: [look what i've done to your thread glitterbot]:

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[TJ Newton] Didn't God say in the Bible that animals he created can be eaten by men? And they were basically created for the humanity?


I think you may be right about that. But there is also the sixth (?) commandment: You shall not kill, or murder (or something like that). Whatever, I don't care, cause I don't live according to the Bible.

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when did I actually suck up to you


90% of what I say is a joke. Like what I'm gonna say now, this is a joke:
(this is in response to p2c)

Subconsciously, meat-eaters feel bad about eating animals. So there's a lot of guilt inside of them. But they don't know it. Though, they can feel it, but it's hard for them to identify what it is. It's just a creepy feeling that's swimming around inside them, making them feel bad and nervous. The natural reaction for someone who feels bad is to get rid of the bad feeling and a way to do that is to give your bad feelings away to other people. This is why hurt people try to hurt others. They want other people to take their pains. Obviously, you become what you eat. You are what you eat. If you eat death, you will be full of death. There definitely is a connection between spiritual developtment, spiritual growing and what you eat. This is why Buddhists are vegetarians. You can't put death inside your body if you want to become immortal. These dead animals are not only dead, but murdered, so you're not just eating death, you're also eating violence. This is why p2c is so full of aggression: because he eats a lot of violence, a lot of murdered animals.

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[I forgot who said this] Of course there are dog shelters in Sweden too. There's even one in the little tiny town where I live.


I did say we have a couple dog shelters, but we don't have anywhere near as many as America has.

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Swedish people in my opinion (me not being Swedish but only living here) are as irresponsible as everybody else


Sure, a lot of Swedes are irresponsible, but how do you explain the fact that America and Sweden are like night and day, two completely different worlds, in all aspects? The American society, the American system was built by Americans. The Swedish society was built by Swedes, so, somewhere, there has got to be a difference.

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[strangeDivine] many of the objections that people generally have about the killing of animals can't logically be applied to plants.


Right. The only reason why meat-eaters bring up the plant issue all the time is because they have so much guilt and death and violence inside their little bodies that they have to find a way to share that guilt with other people. So they try to make the vegetarians feel guilty about eating plants. It's just silly.

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[Glitterbot] Then why do you think it's okay that they're treated as a commodity?


I don't. I guess saying "I paid so and so much for Mimi" sounds like I'm treating her like a commodity, but what can I say, I did buy her. But I think when you adopt people, kids, you pay for them as well, don't you?

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Mutts are just as loyal, loving, and cute (Purebreds all look basically the same, which I don't find very appealing) and smell just as good as purebred dogs. To me, dogs are basically the same if they're raised right- they're all cute and affectionate, so there's no reason other than status to get a purebred dog


Right. And like I said (and I think I've said this a hundred times by now) I didn't look for a purebred. I was just looking for a long-haired dachshund, because that's the dog I wanted, and the only place where I could find a long-haired dachshund was at Elisabeth's. And she happend to be a famous dog breeder. Long-haired dachshunds are not very common here in Sweden. I've only seen one or two long-haired dachshund in real life. They are very rare. And since I wanted one badly, it never struck me that I should pass on the oppurtunity just because she was a purebred. If I had refused to buy Mimi, just because she was a purebred, I would probably still be looking for a long-haired dachshund.

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I mean, if you really thought dogs were like humans, then you must seek out human companions based on looks or breeding


I seek out human companions based on character and I seek out animal companions based on character. The reason why I wanted a dachshund was because dachshunds are famous for their strong personalities, they're stubborn as hell, extremely intelligent, self-sure, etc.

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[some anonymous guy] I find it incredible that no one called Eraserhead on the fact that he said "babies are why we're here, they're magical and life itself" [rough paraphrase] while at the same time advocating sterilization?


I didn't advocate sterilization. But I think using...what do you call it...protection should be allowed. I think the reason why no one called me on what I said is because most people agree that having a baby is one of the reasons why we're here, and people also agree that using protection should be allowed.

glamourpuss:

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I did say we have a couple dog shelters, but we don't have anywhere near as many as America has


Of course there are not as many dogshelters in Sweden as in the US since Sweden is much smaller country. I dont know how it looks if you take the size of each country's population into account but you are going to have to prove it with some statistics of some kind. You can't just go around claiming to know "facts" that you have not looked properly into.

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Sure, a lot of Swedes are irresponsible, but how do you explain the fact that America and Sweden are like night and day, two completely different worlds, in all aspects? The American society, the American system was built by Americans. The Swedish society was built by Swedes, so, somewhere, there has got to be a difference.


So...what is your point? That American and Swedish culture are different? I think we all know that. By like night and day do you mean that American culture breeds irresponsibility and Swedish culture does not?

eraserhead:

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Of course there are not as many dogshelters in Sweden as in the US since Sweden is much smaller country. I dont know how it looks if you take the size of each country's population into account but you are going to have to prove it with some statistics of some kind. You can't just go around claiming to know "facts" that you have not looked properly into.


It's my gut feeling that, if you take the size of each country's population into account, America has more dog shelters than Sweden. What does your gut feeling tell you?

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like night and day do you mean that American culture breeds irresponsibility and Swedish culture does not?


I think American culture breeds more bad things than Swedish culture, yeah. But I also think a lot of great things have come out of America, principally a lot of great artists, musicians, writers, film-makers, poets, painters, actors. Because, as the cliché goes, where there is suffering, there is art. "Where there's trouble there's poetry" as DB sings. Or, to quote The Third Man:

"In Italy for thirty years under the Borgais they had murder, warfare and strife. Yet they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had five hundred years of peace and tranquillity. They had democracy and brotherly love, and what did that bring us? The cuckoo clock!"

glamourpuss:

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It's my gut feeling that, if you take the size of each country's population into account, America has more dog shelters than Sweden. What does your gut feeling tell you?


It's is not about gut feeling. It's about facts. You failed to prove your statement. It's as simple as that.

Edit: By the way...I like your avatar and your dog looks cute. I wish I had a dog. You're lucky.

T.J. Newton: [This thread is out of control!]:

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I think you may be right about that. But there is also the sixth (?)


Yes, it's the sixth.

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commandment: You shall not kill, or murder (or something like that).


You're right, it says "Thou shalt not kill", but I think it rather refers to men, not to animals.

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Whatever, I don't care, cause I don't live according to the Bible.


Neither do I, but you? I assume that you're a catholic who doesn't agree with the Bible.

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90% of what I say is a joke.


90%?! Then I think I must reconsider my thoughts about you

white rabbit: [If wishes were horses]: I wish I lived in Sweden. Everything sounds really perfect there.

Personally, I'll probably always have a shelter dog. I'm a sucker for the three-legged ones who've been abused and no ones wants who need a good loving home and someone with a lot of patience to care for them. The only other place I'd consider getting a dog is a retired greyhound racer from the track across the river in Iowa. Those animals often cease to be after they've outlived their usefulness as well.

power2charm: [Hold that Tiger! Now kill him and stuff him!]: It's typical for Eraserhead, when his hackneyed theories and philosophies have been thoroughly exposed and discredited, to claim it was and is all a joke. By this tactic he can dodge admitting he may not have it all worked out after all. Don't ever hold your breath that he might reply to an opponent in a debate, "You know, I'd never really thought about it that way before," or "I guess you are right," because he is one of those arrogant know-it-all-despite-never-having-done-a-thing dingbats.

Congratulations to you, TW, for exposing his hypocricy and rubbing his nose in it like he rubs Mimi's nose in her feces when she shits on his fine Scandinavian fir hardwood floor. Althought he'll never admit it, he's been taken down a notch, and ultimately, that's good for him. And fun for us!

T.J. Newton: [What a coincidence!]:

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It's typical for Eraserhead, when his hackneyed theories and philosophies have been thoroughly exposed and discredited, to claim it was and is all a joke. By this tactic he can dodge admitting he may not have it all worked out after all. Don't ever hold your breath that he might reply to an opponent in a debate, "You know, I'd never really thought about it that way before," or "I guess you are right," because he is one of those arrogant know-it-all-despite-never-having-done-a-thing dingbats.


You know, there are many TWers who think exactly the same about me.

Coan_teen: I just want to say all these posts really aren't making my headache any better. It's all so confusing! I'm going back over to the Ghetto. At least there nothing is really serious and nasty--just a bunch of glomping and drooling.

th0mas: well - i think it is fucking funny to watch a discussion about colleges slowly slipping away from the topic and ending at "pure breed dogs"....

StrangeDrugs: "If you eat death, you will be full of death"

Well then the obvious answer is to eat animals while theyre still breathing. They do that in some places, don't they? Like monkey brains or something...I dunno.
I've been a vegetarian for about 9 years now, and nowadays I'm pretty passive about it. I don't really have any moral or ethical standpoint on the issue, in fact I usually avoid it. But the more I think about it the more I think maybe I SHOULD be eating meat. I mean, its all about survival of the fittest, right? And sure, most of you who buy your steaks in the supermarket wouldn't have the slightest clue how to kill an animal in the wild...I'm sure you'd die before you ate dinner. But! Mankind as a species is intelligent enough to build slaughterhouses and raise animals for food...therefore mankind is more fit.
Then again the majority of TWers now seem to be unbelievably idealistic and so they don't agree with my objectavist-based arguments (though I will state for the record I'm not an objectavist for the sole reason that I do not agree that A=A...but anyway). Rest assured that you'll all be bitter and jaded soon.

Also, I would like to publicly blame Marquis for this entire thread.

eraserhead: [Is this a good thread or a bad thread, I don't know]:

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I like your avatar


You mean Anthony Kiedis? I love Anthony. It's a still from the Can't Stop video, which you can watch here:
http://www.redhotchilipeppers.com/multimedia/index.html

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I think it rather refers to men, not to animals


But we can never really know that, can we? So I think, if you're religious, better to be safe than sorry you know. Better put that hamburger away if you wanna get to heaven.

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I assume that you're a catholic who doesn't agree with the Bible.


I am not a catholic, I guess if you made me choose one of the major religions, I'd pick Buddhism but my mom is a new age freak so I'm into that as well. It's really cool to have a mom who's a new age freak I must say.

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I wish I lived in Sweden. Everything sounds really perfect there.


I'm just being silly about Sweden because I know how much that pisses p2c off. It's not like I'm a patriot or a nationalist. No way. I think the best thing about Sweden is the immigrants, these days it's like New York in the way that it's a great mix of people from everywhere.

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It's typical for Eraserhead, when his hackneyed theories and philosophies have been thoroughly exposed and discredited, to claim it was and is all a joke.


When I said "this is a joke" (or whatever I said) I was only joking. It was not a joke. That was the joke! Or, to put it another way: every joke has some truth to it. When I say something is a joke, it doesn't mean it's not the truth, or that I'm not serious.

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I've been a vegetarian for about 9 years now, and nowadays I'm pretty passive about it


I'm also very passive about it these days, that is until people start throwing these ridiculous statements at me. I think what's interesting here also is that I -- a kid, a 22 year old -- has kept my calm throughout this discussion, while real grown-ups like p2c, who could be my father, or perhaps grandfather, judging from his extreme conservatism, are close to losing it completely. Like I said, all that violence one eats has to come out some way, and it comes out as insults directed at innocent people like myself. But, you know, as long as you see it for what it is, it doesn't effect you.

power2charm: [My last post in this thread]: a) Eraserhead is 22, and is therefore an adult, NOT a kid. Too bad he doesn't realize it.
b) When I called Eraserhead a dingbat, I was serene. Eraserhead can't stand to have his opinions, or "facts", questioned, so to his mind, the interlocutor must be "losing it". Nice try, my MAN, but nobody is falling for it. The fact is, you bought a dog from one of the "finest families" without regard for the dogs in your own country that are being killed for want of owners. Now we know about you and your hippy dippy love for all creatures great and small.....as long as they're from the "finest families".
c) All the rest - the accusations of glitterbot's regular drug use, equating meat-eating with violence and murder, when you feed your own dog (your EQUAL) the meat she craves - is obfuscation. It's not relevant to our contention that you cannot claim these higher qualities for canines and then support purebreeding and dog shows and the like.

The end. You are vanquished.

Oh, and tell Mimi, higher beings *don't* drink from the toilet.

strangeDivine: [Keep on trucking]: I would just like to say one thing about (to) eraserhead, and all the eraserheads out there, God bless 'em. One of the all to common tactics that people on the more cynical side use against the more idealistic is pointing out flaws in their reasoning and then attempting to persuade them to throw the baby out with the bath water. If eraserhead joined Feed the Children and started sponsoring a child in Ethiopia, nobody would say,"that's all good, but why don't you sponsor two kids? Or ten, ya cheapskate?" No. Most people would just agree that it's good that he's at least doing that one thing to live up to his own ideals. Of course you can always do more. Anybody can do more. But at least he's doing something that he believes will improve the world. He could even more easily be doing nothing.

And I understand the value of having a realistic outlook on the world. The problem is, most people jump straight from a stage of believing that they're superman and save the world to believing that the world is shit and there is nothing that can be done about it. At all. Realism is not synonymous with utter defeatism. The world is never going to be perfect. But history has shown that changes can be made for the better.

I'm going to tell you a sappy story, which I'm sure most of you have already heard, because it is relevant to the debate, and I am in a more positive mood than usual. An old man was walking along the beach when he noticed that the beach was covered with starfish that had washed up on the hot sand. They would of course die within a short period of time without water. He also saw a small boy frantically picking them up and throwing them back into the water. The old man said,"why are you wasting your time? You can't possibly save them all. It doesn't matter." The little boy threw another starfish into the water and looked up at the man and said with childlike innocence "it mattered to that one."

StrangeDrugs: "And I understand the value of having a realistic outlook on the world. The problem is, most people jump straight from a stage of believing that they're superman and save the world to believing that the world is shit and there is nothing that can be done about it. At all. Realism is not synonymous with utter defeatism."

I hope that wasn't in response to me. If it was, let me say that I never meant to imply there's nothing we can do about the world. I don't believe in defeat - I believe in survival. I also believe that before you can be benificial to anyone else you have to be at your best. That means looking out for yourself first. I don't advocate ruthlessness, but toes do get stepped on, yes. People have to realise that everything we do is selfish andtheres NOTHING WRONG with that. In fact, thats the way it should be.

strangeDivine: [re. StrangeDrugs]: That wasn't specifically about you. It's just about some people in general.

T.J. Newton: [No jokes this time]:

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But we can never really know that, can we? So I think, if you're religious, better to be safe than sorry you know. Better put that hamburger away if you wanna get to heaven.


Hey, I'm not a catholic. I'm a declared meat-eater - all kinds except for beef, because I'm afraid of Creutzfeld-Jacob disease. Besides, it has been scientifically proved that people need meat.

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I am not a catholic, I guess if you made me choose one of the major religions, I'd pick Buddhism but my mom is a new age freak so I'm into that as well. It's really cool to have a mom who's a new age freak I must say.


I see. I mean, I wouldn't like to have a new agre freak mother, but hey - that's just me

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I'm just being silly about Sweden because I know how much that pisses p2c off. It's not like I'm a patriot or a nationalist. No way. I think the best thing about Sweden is the immigrants, these days it's like New York in the way that it's a great mix of people from everywhere.


Do you really think it's so great?

dice: [re. Wraith2]:

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Her creative potential is being squandered in a sub-par community college in an unsavory and dangerous section of San Fransisco


the thugs are more scared of her than she is of them. either that or they're blinded by flourescence

dice: [re. power2charm]:

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Frankly, almost every state school in California would offer Glitterbot as good an education as Hampshire


and probably better

but let's get one thing straight. nobody can offer an education. they can offer instruction, atmosphere, and cache, but education is intensely personal

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Personally, I think it's really sick and really unbelievable that people who don't have the money can't go to the college or the university they want to go to


they can if they work hard enough. but the level of fairness in american higher education is definitely nothing to be proud of

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The quality of instruction, the self-motivation, the resources, and the faculty's closeness with the students simply can't be equalled at a school with so many more students.


you're way off the mark. for a while i went to a school where i paid $25,000-$30,000 a year, and the education wasn't as good as the state school i graduated from, which was well under half the price. more students = more faculty. the difference in class sizes is generally minimal between private and public schools

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The schools that care about the fact that I was the Vice President in a high school chapter of Habitat for Humanity that fundraised and built two houses aren't the ones with the money. Yale doesn't want to hear about how much I had to do with a student run group that chronicled the unwritten (because of segregation) history of Bloomington's West side. Stanford doesn't give two shits about how hard I worked for two years in a student run and organized jazz combo (I had to teach myself how to play jazz because there weren't any school instructors for that sort of thing). The schools that only care about 1600s and 4.0s are the ones I want nothing to do with


that's bullshit. the great majority of the applicants to these schools have fabulous grades and extra-curriculars up the wazoo. and the bulk of them don't get accepted

way to toot your own horn, though

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some of us don't want to shove sticks up our asses to keep that 4.0


i'm with you. which is why neither of us would have enjoyed attending these schools

bottom line is if you work hard and stay true to yourself you're set. if a school turns you down, it probably wasn't a good match to begin with

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It is outrageously DECADENT to spend $800 on a purebred when millions of mixed breeds are PUT DOWN every year


i'll agree with that. but i'm a vegetarian

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And I also I think we -- the world, society -- have never been so far off in terms of how we treat animals as we are today


i think you're way off there. probably just the opposite is true

ancient egyptians worshipped a lot of strange stuff

arahael: [re. strangeDivine]:

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Yes, but how many of those acres of land are being used to produce grain etc. for livestock? Raising animals requires great amounts of land and agricultural resources.


good point, i should do my research BEFORE i decide to run off at the mouth *smirk*

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I suppose we can't be absolutely certain, but I think most evidence points in the direction that plants do not possess sentience.


yeah, i was just being a sarcastic bitch.

arahael: [re. eraserhead]:

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Like I said, all that violence one eats has to come out some way, and it comes out as insults directed at innocent people like myself


(i hope that this comment was in jest!)

this is one of the funniest things i've heard all day! i'll have to remember this one!

Marquis: [The Execution of a Chump]: I wouldn't go chicken counting just yet, TJ.

I fear you and I will tussle some more over the coming weeks, though maybe we'll be able to keep it above boards this time.

T.J. Newton: [The Future Is Not Clear]:

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I fear you and I will tussle some more over the coming weeks, though maybe we'll be able to keep it above boards this time.


I wouldn't be so sure, Matt. If you don't believe me, see this post. Can you see that? I agreed with you. And I thought that I will never use words "agree" and "with you" (in reference to you) in one sentence!
Something strange is going to happen, Marquis. I kid you not. Or has it already happened?

ohramona: [This oughta clear things up]:

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Something strange is going to happen, Marquis. I kid you not. Or has it already happened?


Well, I spent 38 seconds thoroughly and deeply contemplating this conundrum, and decided it was just too much for my limited cognitive capacity. So I consulted a well-respected and reliable source, and found that in response to the question, "Is something strange going to happen between TJ and Marquis?", that the answer is: YES DEFINITELY

ziggywombat: [more off topicness]:

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And like I said (and I think I've said this a hundred times by now) I didn't look for a purebred. I was just looking for a long-haired dachshund, because that's the dog I wanted


this meight just be a language thing, but if you want a specific breed, especially one that is rare in your part of the world, you're pretty much looking for a purebred (ie not mixed with any other breeds)

in theory, i think adopting from a shelter is a good idea. however, my dog is purebred, though not registered. long story short, i didn't want a dog, i wanted this dog.

the problem with shelter pets is you really don't know where they're coming from, so you could get some behavior or health problems you weren't expecting. like my cat is from a shelter, and we didn't get him as a kitten, so he's not very well socialized and never will be.

dice:

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the problem with shelter pets is you really don't know where they're coming from, so you could get some behavior or health problems you weren't expecting


you'd still be better off than going to a damn pet store

ziggywombat: [pet stores are evil]:

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you'd still be better off than going to a damn pet store


absolutely, there's no reason for anyone to buy animals from a pet store, except perhaps fish and hamsters and so on. even the best pet store cannot adequately socialize a puppy, and probably not a kitten either. and they usually get them from irresponsible and unreliable breeders.

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.*All coming back to me now  Dara03/05/11 02:37 AM
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.*Not *that* kind of juju bag, R/R  Auntie Prism03/05/11 10:11 AM
.*Boredom distractions  Dara03/06/11 01:15 AM
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.*Pass the douche, Part 2  power2charm07/09/11 00:10 AM
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.*Push my buttons, beibe!  KAdministrator03/01/11 02:50 PM
.*I did not read all of the old thread, btw.  KAdministrator02/26/11 11:30 AM
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.*Don't twist my words please  Quills02/28/11 06:25 AM
.*Re: Don't twist my words please  KAdministrator03/01/11 02:13 PM
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.*Re: Don't twist my words please  Quills02/28/11 09:17 AM
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.*WOO-HMMM  schizophrenic03/01/11 00:56 AM
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