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ladymacbeth
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02/21/06 12:06 PM
Questions about David Irving [re: Wraith2]  

Is jailing him a denial of free speech or are his words incitement to hatred? I don't know what to think about this. The following is an article from the Herald Tribune.

An Austrian court has sentenced the British historian David Irving to three years in prison for denying the Holocaust while in Austria in 1989, dismissing his argument that he had changed his views.

Irving had pleaded guilty, hoping for a suspended sentence, but the Vienna criminal court concluded Monday that he was making a pretense of acknowledging Nazi Germany's genocide against Jews in order to escape a prison term.

"The court did not consider the defendant to have genuinely changed his mind," the presiding judge, Peter Liebetreu, told the court after announcing the sentence. "The regret he showed was considered to be mere lip service to the law."

Irving, 67, said he was shocked by the sentence, and he lodged an immediate appeal. His lawyer, Elmar Kresbach, said that if Irving lost the appeal, he was likely to serve a maximum of two years in prison because of his age and status as a first-time offender.

Irving was arrested on a visit to Austria last November, when he was detained based on a warrant related to lectures and a press interview he made in 1989. Denying the Nazi genocide is a crime in Austria punishable by as many as 10 years in prison.

"I'm not a Holocaust denier. Obviously, I've changed my views," Irving told reporters on his way into the court carrying a copy of "Hitler's War," which is among dozens of books on Nazi Germany and World War II that the self- taught historian has written.

Irving acknowledged denying in 1989 that Nazi Germany had killed millions of Jews, but he said he changed his mind in 1991 after coming across the personal files of Adolf Eichmann, the chief organizer of the Holocaust, during a speaking tour in Argentina.

He argued that the case against him was a denial of his right to free speech and that historians in Austria and Germany, which has similar laws against Holocaust denial, were being told by lawmakers how to write history.

Austria is trying to show it is tough on Holocaust denial because a significant number of Nazi leaders, including Adolf Hitler, came from Austria, and Jews and other critics have accused the country of glossing over its past for decades after the war.

Kresbach had asked the court for leniency because he said Irving had moderated his views and posed no threat to a stable Austrian democracy six decades after World War II.

The prosecution, meanwhile, said Irving had continued to attend meetings of "revisionist" historians, those dismissing the Holocaust, even after he said he had changed his views about it.

Mental health was never my strong point.


 
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.*Re: Moslems = Animals  Humbert02/23/06 02:09 AM
.*Re: Moslems = Animals  th0mas02/23/06 06:47 AM
.*Re: Moslems = Animals  riley02/22/06 08:50 AM
.*MOHAMMED IS HIS PROPHET  to_dizzy02/22/06 09:05 AM
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.*Re: Moslems = Animals  Monkeyboy02/21/06 11:59 PM
.*Günter Grass Says Danish Cartoons Recall Nazi Era  Wraith202/21/06 11:06 AM
..Questions about David Irving   ladymacbeth02/21/06 12:06 PM
.*Re: Questions about David Irving   Starlite02/21/06 07:29 PM
.*Re: Questions about David Irving   Pablo-Picasso02/22/06 05:15 AM
.*Free speech  EuropeanCanon02/22/06 09:12 AM
.*Re: Free speech  Humbert02/25/06 06:54 AM
.*Let me draw you a picture  Marquis02/25/06 10:44 AM
.*Re: Let me draw you a picture  Humbert02/26/06 00:11 AM
.*Re: Let me draw you a picture  Pablo-Picasso02/25/06 10:49 AM
.*Re: Let me draw you a picture  Humbert02/26/06 00:22 AM
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.*Re: Let me draw you a picture  Humbert02/26/06 06:54 AM
.*Re: Let me draw you a picture  Pablo-Picasso02/26/06 07:07 AM
.*Re: Let me draw you a picture  th0mas02/26/06 09:51 AM
.*Team America  Marquis02/26/06 03:06 PM
.*You have no right to make jokes  rumblingspires02/26/06 08:08 PM
.*We're just trying to have a GOOD TIME  Marquis02/27/06 10:26 AM
.*Re: We're just trying to have a GOOD TIME  rumblingspires02/27/06 10:41 AM
.*World crimes? That sounds serious.  Marquis02/27/06 10:49 AM
.*Wear it as your duvet cover  rumblingspires02/27/06 11:03 AM
.*America the beautiful  stick02/28/06 00:03 AM
.*Real men hold no truck with quilts  Marquis02/27/06 11:19 AM
.*Re: World crimes? That sounds serious.  Pablo-Picasso02/27/06 10:50 AM
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.*Withus and Aginus  Marquis02/26/06 08:09 PM
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.*Stop me if you've heard this one before  Marquis02/27/06 03:42 PM
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.*Friendship and Cupcakes  Marquis02/27/06 04:21 PM
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.*Re: Friendship and Cupcakes  Tristan02/28/06 10:23 AM
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.*Here Comes My Persian Rug  Strawman02/26/06 03:23 PM
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.*Re: Let me draw you a picture  Pablo-Picasso02/26/06 08:15 AM
.*Re: Let me draw you a picture  Strawman02/26/06 08:34 AM
.*Re: Let me draw you a picture  Pablo-Picasso02/26/06 08:40 AM
.*No possums  diamondogz7402/26/06 08:46 AM
.*Offensive statements again.  Pablo-Picasso02/26/06 08:49 AM
.*Re: Offensive statements again.  riley02/26/06 09:02 AM
.*Re: Offensive statements again.  diamondogz7402/26/06 08:52 AM
.*Re: Let me draw you a picture  diamondogz7402/26/06 08:27 AM
.*Re: Let me draw you a picture  Humbert02/26/06 07:53 AM
.*Re: Let me draw you a picture  Pablo-Picasso02/26/06 08:10 AM
.*Re: Let me draw you a picture  Humbert02/27/06 06:05 AM
.*Re: Let me draw you a picture  th0mas02/26/06 06:10 AM
.*Re: Let me draw you a picture  Pablo-Picasso02/26/06 06:15 AM
.*Re: Let me draw you a picture  th0mas02/26/06 06:24 AM
.*Re: Let me draw you a picture  Pablo-Picasso02/26/06 06:35 AM
.*Re: Let me draw you a picture  Strawman02/25/06 12:17 PM
.*I have a cunning plan....  Pablo-Picasso02/25/06 12:22 PM
.*Re: Free speech  Humbert02/25/06 06:48 AM
.*Re: Questions about David Irving   guiltpuppy02/22/06 07:03 AM
.*Re: Questions about David Irving   Pablo-Picasso02/22/06 07:51 AM
.*Questions coming out of my ears  ladymacbeth02/22/06 04:49 AM
.*Re: Questions coming out of my ears  Pablo-Picasso02/22/06 05:05 AM
.*Am I the only fucker who states facts?  Strawman02/22/06 09:40 AM
.*Re: Questions coming out of my ears  Pablo-Picasso02/22/06 09:48 AM
.*Re: Questions coming out of my ears  GodlessWonder02/22/06 05:20 PM
.*Re: Questions coming out of my ears  Pablo-Picasso02/22/06 05:24 PM
.*Alan's Utopia  Strawman02/22/06 10:36 AM
.*strawman  thegouster02/22/06 01:39 PM
.*I've been called a greasy thug  Marquis02/21/06 08:18 PM
.*Re: Questions about David Irving   Froggy Starlust02/21/06 07:58 PM
.*Re: Questions about David Irving   Monkeyboy02/21/06 08:33 PM
.*Re: Questions about David Irving   Froggy Starlust02/22/06 04:38 AM
.*Re: Questions about David Irving   Beltene02/21/06 12:42 PM
.*Re: Questions about David Irving   NobDePlum02/21/06 01:09 PM
.*Re: Günter Grass Says Danish Cartoons Recall Nazi Era  carsten02/21/06 12:00 PM
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.*Re: Moslems = Animals  diamondogz7402/21/06 08:02 AM
.*Re: Moslems = Animals  Monkeyboy02/21/06 03:00 PM
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.*Re: Moslems = Animals  Monkeyboy02/21/06 03:33 PM
.*Re: Moslems = Animals  poopicraft02/22/06 09:47 PM
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.*Re: Moslems = Animals  Monkeyboy02/21/06 03:34 PM
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.*Re: Moslems = Animals  Froggy Starlust02/21/06 04:23 PM
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