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02/04/07 01:42 PM
yeah, about the racist content [re: Monkeyboy]  

I know I haven't really been back here all that long but this whole racism row is something that I think deserves a bit more attention. Specifically, the points raised by WildWind, Starlite and p2c here, here and here deserve more attention.

Using race as a foil for making a joke/point/both is tricky and often lapses into plain offensive stuff. For example, Monkeyboy's thread on Black History month: It moves from irreverant suggestions for great moments in black history to Tristan dredging up an instance of a faked attack which caught out some African-American leaders and has a laugh at their expense, never mind the fact these were people who are strong representatives and symbols of black liberation and that it would be natural for them to believe the woman since race attacks are still a massive problem today; then the uber-dick Stu gets the chance to somehow insinuate that blacks are getting an easy time of things in the justice system, again by isolating the exception to the rule and promoting that. Look at the statistics: Black Americans comprise 13% of the population, 30% of arrests and 49% of the prison population. Then to round it off, we've got a black-and-white minstrel. What a rich vein of humour we mine at TW these days. p2c is 100% right when he says that this place sees itself as all caucasian and that can end up creating an atmosphere where we think it's ok to ironically use racist comments, which in turn results in actual racist material being posted, which in turn offends people.

It's like in the film of Borat and the difference between the scenes where the character is used to expose the racism of other people and those that are just cheap, decontextualised digs at Kazakh people (aren't they all primitive, he's kissing his sister etc).

Just for the record, I don't think that Monkeyboy is racist. I think he's a very sharp, funny guy. But his best stuff is when he's excoriating the many dickheads who populate this site rather than when he lapses into 'ironic' racism that, out of context, just reads like plain racism.

I think that TW should be a safe place for oppressed people to use without finding statements that are offensive to them on the basis of that oppression. Other than that, it's all fair game, really.

"The challenge of modernity is to live without illusions and without becoming disillusioned" - Antonio Gramsci

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Subject  Posted byPosted on
*About the racist content  Monkeyboy02/03/07 06:28 AM
.*As if anyone cares  WildWind02/04/07 09:26 PM
.*Re: As if anyone cares  Starlite02/05/07 00:39 AM
.*Re: As if anyone cares  96dbFreak02/04/07 10:08 PM
.*Re: As if anyone cares  Monkeyboy02/05/07 05:34 AM
.*You're not the only gay in the village  96dbFreak02/05/07 05:24 PM
.*Re: You're not the only gay in the village  96dbFreak02/05/07 09:18 PM
.*Re: You're not the only gay in the village  Persilot02/05/07 07:29 PM
.*Re: You're not the only gay in the village  96dbFreak02/05/07 07:39 PM
.*Small hint  Monkeyboy02/05/07 08:02 PM
.*In this age of self delusion  96dbFreak02/05/07 08:10 PM
.*Re: In this age of self delusion  Monkeyboy02/05/07 08:44 PM
.*Re: In this age of self delusion  96dbFreak02/05/07 09:01 PM
.*suck  Monkeyboy02/05/07 07:17 PM
.*Re: suck  96dbFreak02/05/07 07:26 PM
.*One Nation under the groove  Remade/Remodeled02/04/07 10:54 PM
.*Re: One Nation under the groove  96dbFreak02/04/07 10:58 PM
.*But you're one of the good ones  Remade/Remodeled02/04/07 11:22 PM
.*Re: But you're one of the good ones  96dbFreak02/04/07 11:42 PM
.*Can we fix it?  Remade/Remodeled02/05/07 00:16 AM
.*Re: Can we fix it?  96dbFreak02/05/07 00:26 AM
.*Eanie, meanie, minie...  Remade/Remodeled02/06/07 12:30 PM
.*Re: Eanie, meanie, minie...  96dbFreak02/06/07 03:06 PM
.*...that was, to this, Hyperion to a Satyr!  JonnyManic02/05/07 10:45 AM
.*Re: ...that was, to this, Hyperion to a Satyr!  Persilot02/05/07 11:28 AM
.*Re: ...that was, to this, Hyperion to a Satyr!  Strawman02/05/07 12:14 PM
.*Re: Can we fix it?  Monkeyboy02/05/07 05:40 AM
.*Surrender  Remade/Remodeled02/04/07 08:32 PM
..yeah, about the racist content  JonnyManic02/04/07 01:42 PM
.*Re: yeah, about the racist content  Strawman02/04/07 04:38 PM
.*You're wrong, I'm a total racist  Monkeyboy02/04/07 04:30 PM
.*gang sign  power2charm02/04/07 11:46 PM
.*And this from the creator of "I am a racist"!  Marquis02/06/07 12:21 PM
.*Re: gang sign  Kerbwarrior02/05/07 01:24 PM
.*Re: gang sign  Monkeyboy02/05/07 05:27 AM
.*I confess..  Strawman02/04/07 07:25 PM
.*Re: I confess..  Monkeyboy02/04/07 08:06 PM
.*Re: You're wrong, I'm a total racist  Starlite02/04/07 04:37 PM
.*HATECRIME!  Marquis02/05/07 03:05 PM
.*Re: HATECRIME!  Starlite02/06/07 02:00 AM
.*Judgement Daze  Marquis02/06/07 11:45 AM
.*Re: Judgement Daze  Starlite02/06/07 12:46 PM
.*Stand up for yourself, Poindexter!  Marquis02/06/07 01:10 PM
.*Re: Stand up for yourself, Poindexter!  Starlite02/06/07 02:38 PM
.*Miserabile Dictu!  Marquis02/06/07 04:43 PM
.*At Least Marquis Appreciates My Efforts Here  FredPhelps02/07/07 04:40 AM
.*So I tried to make this post less judgemental  Starlite02/07/07 02:30 AM
.*I'm proud of you, princess  Monkeyboy02/07/07 05:05 AM
.*The definition of "token."  WildWind02/06/07 10:35 PM
.*The Dream Police  Marquis02/07/07 10:40 AM
.*Re: The Dream Police  Starlite02/11/07 04:02 PM
.*Comfy in Nautica  Marquis02/12/07 11:23 AM
.*Re: The Dream Police  Monkeyboy02/11/07 05:46 PM
.*It's not exactly racism...  theidiot202/08/07 10:07 AM
.*Zip A Dee Do Dah  Monkeyboy02/06/07 10:40 PM
.*My oh my, but you're not really gay  WildWind02/06/07 11:35 PM
.*who you callin' meathead?  power2charm02/07/07 00:56 AM
.*It can die and be buried now  WildWind02/10/07 10:12 PM
.*ZOMBIE  WildWind07/30/13 04:11 PM
.*Re: It can die and be buried now  96dbFreak02/11/07 08:08 PM
.*Re: It can die and be buried now  Monkeyboy02/11/07 08:21 PM
.*Re: It can die and be buried now  96dbFreak02/11/07 08:45 PM
.*Re: It can die and be buried now  Monkeyboy02/12/07 04:51 AM
.*Re: It can die and be buried now  96dbFreak02/12/07 05:24 AM
.*Stu can die and be buried now  Kirk02/12/07 05:51 AM
.*Re: It can die and be buried now  Strawman02/11/07 03:47 PM
.*Thin ice = shitty real estate  Monkeyboy02/07/07 05:28 AM
.*Re: Stand up for yourself, Poindexter!  Dogz02/06/07 03:03 PM
.*Re: Stand up for yourself, Poindexter!  Monkeyboy02/06/07 02:44 PM
.*As I see it, I just come off as frustrated, but...  Starlite02/06/07 03:42 PM
.*Oh fucking shut the fuck upski!  Strawman02/06/07 08:28 PM
.*issues  Asteroid02/07/07 09:21 AM
.*Re: Oh fucking shut the fuck upski!  Monkeyboy02/06/07 10:27 PM
.*SEE!!  Strawman02/07/07 05:19 AM
.*Arbeit macht frei until you die  Wraith202/06/07 12:17 PM
.*Punched in the comfort zone  Marquis02/06/07 12:48 PM
.*Re: HATECRIME!  Monkeyboy02/06/07 05:20 AM
.*I agree with Marquis completely, it turns out  WildWind02/05/07 03:55 PM
.*That old 'N' word gets about too much on TW...  JonnyManic02/05/07 04:15 PM
.*Re: That old 'N' word gets about too much on TW...  Monkeyboy02/05/07 04:31 PM
.*Strange fruit (no, not Monkeyboy)  96dbFreak02/04/07 05:01 PM
.*Re: Strange fruit (no, not Monkeyboy)  Monkeyboy02/05/07 05:42 AM
.*Can't we all just get along?  Kirk02/05/07 07:17 AM
.*Foul!  Monkeyboy02/04/07 05:15 PM
.*Re: Foul!  96dbFreak02/04/07 05:23 PM
.*Re: Foul!  Monkeyboy02/04/07 05:34 PM
.*Again: leave the laughs to me, princess  Monkeyboy02/04/07 04:59 PM
.*Re: Again: leave the laughs to me, princess  Starlite02/04/07 05:53 PM
.*Never allow for complexities  Monkeyboy02/04/07 06:20 PM
.*oh no, I'm Manic Street Preaching  JonnyManic02/04/07 07:46 PM
.*Got you beat on that front  Monkeyboy02/04/07 08:16 PM
.*Re: Never allow for complexities  Starlite02/04/07 06:31 PM
.*Right, you're the better person  Monkeyboy02/04/07 06:37 PM
.*Yes, I'm a saint. And hot. Don't forget hot.  Starlite02/04/07 06:56 PM
.*Not that hot, really  Monkeyboy02/04/07 07:02 PM
.*Re: yeah, about the racist content  Starlite02/04/07 03:55 PM
.*Alerta antifascista  Wraith202/04/07 03:34 PM
.*Re: yeah, about the racist content  Dogz02/04/07 03:31 PM
.*Re: yeah, about the racist content  Kerbwarrior02/04/07 02:57 PM
.*Re: About the racist content  Strawman02/03/07 01:40 PM
.*Johnny Depth! That is rich.  JarethsGirl02/03/07 07:21 AM
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