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01/21/04 11:05 AM
I Am Too Old For Retro [re: eraserhead]  

In reply to:

now he's getting too big already.


In which country exactly is that happening? Here in Germany Iggy is a complete nobody these days. Of course he can rely on his old laurels and his old fans (myself included) will always stay loyal to him - as he once was a very special, very fine musician who gave a lot to us. But those were the days. Iggy was big (or biggish rather) here from the late 70s through to the very early 90s. From the days punk and Bowie brought him back to light up to the Brick By Brick aftermath. That's when he peaked - in reputation, following and probably in financial success. From then on it was a downhill trip.

Things are probably different when you have been living with Iggy on a different time line than the one I (and probably Dara) have been on. The first time I got interested in Iggy was in the late 70s when I heard the Sex Pistols play a song called "No Fun". I was told by a friend that this incredible number was actually from a guy called Iggy Pop who was supposed to be the inventor of punk rock. Got infected. I bought a cheap vinyl copy of "Raw Power" in my home town's only record shop, a "Search & Destroy" T-Shirt on a flea market in Groningen/Holland and got even more excited when I found out that this guy was doing a new record with David Bowie. I taped "The Idiot" and later "Lust For Live" and turned into a solid Iggy supporter for a very long time.

But then things started to fade. Iggy turned self-retro. Without going into detail and also knowing that you will come up with proof how different albums like "American Cesar" and "Naughty Little Doggy" are, I got bored with Iggy. First I stopped going to his shows, though the ones I had seen were always fantastic. After "Avenue B", which I quite like, I also stopped buying his albums. I felt like I didn't need more standstill - not from an artist like Iggy.

That's where I am today but I am sure things are very different when you are much younger. You do detect his old stuff at once - it comes as an entity, not as a linear (downward) development. The sound you get from the newer albums appears fresh, wild and lively as you had not been going through that sound a long time before. At a time when that sound was indeed fresh, wild and lively. One may call it the Pink Floyd symptom.

Don't get me wrong. Iggy will always be one of my heroes and the described fate was similarily shared by my even bigger heroes "The Ramones". You may well credit people like them for not giving up on what they have done and stood for all their lives. But on the other hand those musical die hards later hardly ever give you more reasons for affection than nostalgia. Because they have done what they are still doing far better before, at a time when their music was part of the real life, when their music was a result of those times. And not a late reflection of things long changed.

Bowie got close to that dead lock but never got fully caught. The "Sound & Vision" tour, BTWN and "Outside" where moments when he hadn't got a clue about where to go as David Bowie and started to repeat his own recipes with little adjustments. But he got out. And that's why he is still there. Big. Mighty Big.

And I want to believe
In the madness that calls 'now'



 
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*Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality Tour?  eraserhead01/19/04 03:39 PM
.*Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality Tour?  pablopicasso04/29/04 10:18 AM
.*Rock on and on and on ad infinitum  diamondogz7404/29/04 03:09 PM
.*Re: Rock on and on and on ad infinitum  prrrrr04/30/04 11:15 AM
.*Re: Rock on and on and on ad infinitum  diamondogz7405/01/04 07:11 AM
.*Re: Rock on and on and on ad infinitum  pablopicasso05/01/04 07:23 AM
.*Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality Tour?  prrrrr04/29/04 02:39 PM
.*Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality Tour?  jabow04/29/04 02:03 PM
.*Is NoControl defying sanity with A Reality Tour?  EJSundayModerator04/29/04 10:34 AM
.*Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality Tour?  soho_beatnik02/06/04 03:59 AM
.*Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality Tour?  thekillingmoon02/05/04 04:38 PM
.*Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality Tour?  NoControl01/26/04 04:29 AM
.*Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality Tour?  dice01/27/04 07:31 PM
.*Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality T  globule201/28/04 01:21 AM
.*Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality T  NoControl01/28/04 01:23 AM
.*Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality T  globule201/28/04 01:28 AM
.*Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality T  NoControl01/28/04 01:46 AM
.*More Statistics  EJSundayModerator01/28/04 08:13 AM
.*Re: More Statistics  globule201/28/04 09:44 AM
.*Re: More Statistics  bowiefanpeter01/28/04 04:53 PM
.*Re: More Ignorance  NoControl01/28/04 08:27 PM
.*Re: More Ignorance  globule201/28/04 10:51 PM
.*Re: Ignorance is a funny thing  NoControl01/29/04 04:35 AM
.*Re: More Statistics  jabow01/28/04 05:26 PM
.*Re: More Statistics  globule201/28/04 06:49 PM
.*Re: More Statistics  bowiefanpeter01/30/04 09:06 PM
.*Re: More Statistics  NoControl01/30/04 09:41 PM
.*Re: More Statistics  th0mas01/29/04 08:02 AM
.*Re: More Statistics  Dara01/29/04 12:05 PM
.*Re: More Statistics  dice01/29/04 01:53 PM
.*Set List Categories  EJSundayModerator01/30/04 06:22 AM
.*More Imaginary Statistics  EJSundayModerator01/28/04 11:19 AM
.*Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality T  BillHague01/28/04 02:27 AM
.*Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality Tour?  Nature_Boy01/21/04 05:11 AM
.*Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality Tour?  Claude01/20/04 04:17 PM
.*Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality Tour?  eraserhead01/20/04 06:21 PM
.*Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality Tour?  Claude01/21/04 03:45 PM
.*Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality Tour?  Emil01/21/04 03:54 PM
.*Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality Tour?  Dara01/22/04 06:27 AM
.*Defy My Money  poorsoul01/22/04 05:52 PM
.*Re: Defy My Money  Dara01/23/04 07:17 AM
.*More Money  poorsoul01/29/04 11:52 PM
.*Re: Defy My Money  poorsoul01/29/04 11:42 PM
.*Painting yourself into a corner  eraserhead01/23/04 07:52 AM
.*Re: Painting yourself into a corner  SoulLoveChild01/23/04 07:48 PM
.*Re: Painting yourself into a corner  bowiefanpeter01/23/04 07:59 PM
.*Re: Painting yourself into a corner  pablopicasso01/23/04 08:48 PM
.*Re: Painting yourself into a corner  bowiefanpeter01/23/04 09:04 PM
.*Re: Painting yourself into a corner  Dara01/27/04 06:29 AM
.*Re: Painting yourself into a corner  christiancode01/29/04 08:22 PM
.*Hits schmits  Dara01/30/04 06:52 AM
.*Re: Hits schmits  bowiefanpeter01/30/04 09:43 PM
.*Re: Hits schmits  NoControl01/30/04 09:28 PM
.*Re: Hits schmits  Dara02/05/04 06:51 AM
.*Re: Hits schmits  NoControl02/05/04 07:19 AM
.*Re: Hits schmits  dice02/05/04 01:31 PM
.*Bits Fits  poorsoul02/06/04 00:02 AM
.*Re: Is this a joke?  NoControl02/06/04 02:07 AM
.*Re: Bits Fits  globule202/06/04 01:09 AM
.*Gits  poorsoul02/06/04 11:44 PM
.*Re: Hits schmits  zigbot02/05/04 02:40 PM
.*Re: Hits schmits  NoControl02/05/04 06:40 PM
.*Re: Hits schmits  Dara02/06/04 06:24 AM
.*Re: Hits schmits  NoControl02/06/04 06:58 AM
.*Re: Hits schmits  Dara02/06/04 03:38 PM
.*Re: Hits schmits  jabow02/06/04 02:58 PM
.*Re: Hits schmits  NoControl02/06/04 08:08 PM
.*Re: Hits schmits  dice02/06/04 01:45 PM
.*Get real paid  White Prism02/06/04 03:30 PM
.*Re: Get real paid  dice02/06/04 07:03 PM
.*A Hit Is Not Simply A Song You Think Is One  EJSundayModerator02/07/04 06:39 AM
.*Re: Oh Really?  NoControl02/07/04 07:46 AM
.*Lies, Damned Lies  poorsoul02/07/04 11:22 PM
.*what *is* he?  JonnyManic02/07/04 06:09 PM
.*Re: To my best friend...  NoControl02/08/04 08:03 PM
.*Re: To my best friend...  CAwesome02/08/04 08:18 PM
.*Re: Duh!  NoControl02/08/04 08:22 PM
.*Look  EJSundayModerator02/09/04 03:47 AM
.*Re: Zzzzzzzz....  NoControl02/09/04 04:03 AM
.*you simply never get it right  EJSundayModerator02/09/04 04:13 AM
.*Re: YOU simply never get it right  NoControl02/09/04 04:25 AM
.*Why don't you answer my posts?  EJSundayModerator02/09/04 06:52 AM
.*Re: Why don't you answer my posts?  NoControl02/09/04 07:06 AM
.*Re: Why don't you answer my posts?  EJSundayModerator02/09/04 07:14 AM
.*Re: Because I don't want to repeat myself  NoControl02/09/04 09:37 AM
.*Re: Because I don't want to repeat myself  Emil02/10/04 04:06 AM
.*Re: Because I don't want to repeat myself  NoControl02/10/04 06:07 AM
.*More Lunacy From The TWer Without Any Clue  EJSundayModerator02/10/04 06:40 AM
.*Re: More Lunacy From The TWer Without Any Clue  NoControl02/10/04 07:06 AM
.*Re: More Lunacy From The TWer Without Any Clue  EJSundayModerator02/10/04 07:20 AM
.*Re: Out of your depth, completely  NoControl02/10/04 07:46 AM
.*Too Narrow Minded  EJSundayModerator02/10/04 08:24 AM
.*Re: Only hearing what you want to hear..  NoControl02/10/04 05:30 PM
.*I Admit That I Wasted Time And Space Here  EJSundayModerator02/10/04 05:43 PM
.*Re: I Admit That I Wasted Time And Space Here  NoControl02/10/04 05:46 PM
.*Re: I Admit That I Wasted Time And Space Here  dice02/10/04 07:37 PM
.*Bloated  poorsoul02/10/04 11:53 PM
.*Semantics  Dara02/11/04 04:41 AM
.*Re: Semantics  globule202/11/04 09:30 AM
.*Re: Semantics  Dara02/11/04 02:04 PM
.*Re: Completely wrong  NoControl02/11/04 06:37 PM
.*Uair eile leis an ri amadan  Dara02/12/04 04:46 AM
.*Re: Uair eile leis an ri amadan  dice02/12/04 01:56 PM
.*Re: Uair eile leis an ri amadan  diamondogz7402/12/04 02:45 PM
.*SOUND + VISION 2  christiancode02/13/04 08:14 AM
.*Re: SOUND + VISION 2  bowiefanpeter02/14/04 05:00 AM
.*Re: Uair eile leis an ri amadan  NoControl02/12/04 05:05 AM
.*Re: Uair eile leis an ri amadan  Dara02/12/04 07:46 AM
.*Re: Uair eile leis an ri amadan  NoControl02/12/04 08:18 AM
.*Re: Semantics  NoControl02/11/04 06:41 AM
.*Re: Semantics  pablopicasso02/11/04 06:45 PM
.*Re: Semantics  NoControl02/11/04 06:51 PM
.*Re: Semantics  pablopicasso02/11/04 07:06 PM
.*Re: Semantics  NoControl02/11/04 07:24 PM
.*Re: Semantics  CAwesome02/11/04 08:31 PM
.*Defining obscure hits and greatest hits tours  pablopicasso02/11/04 07:54 PM
.*Re: Defining obscure hits and greatest hits tours  NoControl02/11/04 08:17 PM
.*Re: Defining obscure hits and greatest hits tours  pablopicasso02/12/04 02:45 AM
.*Re: Defining obscure hits and greatest hits tours  NoControl02/12/04 03:53 AM
.*Re: Defining obscure hits and greatest hits tours  dice02/11/04 08:33 PM
.*Re: Bloated  bowiefanpeter02/11/04 00:31 AM
.*Re: I Admit That I Wasted Time And Space Here  BillHague02/10/04 08:38 PM
.*Re: I Admit That I Wasted Time And Space Here  dice02/11/04 08:36 PM
.*Re: I Admit That I Wasted Time And Space Here  NoControl02/10/04 09:33 PM
.*Re: I Admit That I Wasted Time And Space Here  pablopicasso02/10/04 06:04 PM
.*Re: I Admit That I Wasted Time And Space Here  diamondogz7402/12/04 08:49 AM
.*Boys Keep Arguing  EJSundayModerator02/10/04 06:12 PM
.*Re: Because I don't want to repeat myself  dice02/09/04 02:10 PM
.*Re: Why don't you answer my posts?  bowiefanpeter02/09/04 07:24 AM
.*Re: Why don't you answer my posts?  NoControl02/09/04 09:38 AM
.*Re: Why don't you answer my posts?  EJSundayModerator02/09/04 11:36 AM
.*Are You Answering My Post?  EJSundayModerator02/09/04 08:49 AM
.*Re: what *is* he?  jabow02/07/04 11:00 PM
.*Re: Probably not, unless...  NoControl02/08/04 08:12 PM
.*Re: Oh Really?  dice02/07/04 02:41 PM
.*Hits Schmitz  pablopicasso02/07/04 02:52 PM
.*Re: Hits Schmitz  diamondogz7402/09/04 08:07 AM
.*In The Next World  poorsoul02/07/04 00:10 AM
.*Re: Hits schmits  CAwesome02/05/04 08:40 PM
.*Why? Why?  poorsoul02/05/04 11:01 PM
.*Re: Why? Why?  CAwesome02/06/04 03:44 PM
.*Re: Why? Why?  poorsoul02/06/04 11:57 PM
.*Boring for who?  pablopicasso02/06/04 03:40 AM
.*Mediocrity For All  poorsoul02/06/04 11:53 PM
.*Re: Hits schmits  dice02/05/04 08:13 PM
.*Can't Hit This  poorsoul02/01/04 01:14 AM
.*Re: Painting yourself into a corner  NoControl01/30/04 00:03 AM
.*Putting Out Fire With Gasoline  EJSundayModerator01/27/04 06:37 AM
.*Re: Painting yourself into a corner  Dara01/23/04 09:46 AM
.*Re: Painting yourself into a corner  dice01/23/04 08:00 PM
.*Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality Tour?  diamondogz7401/22/04 08:01 AM
.*Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality Tour?  Claude01/21/04 04:19 PM
.*Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality Tour?  pablopicasso01/21/04 04:00 PM
.*Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality T  Emil01/22/04 04:06 AM
.*knock it off  Emil01/21/04 05:19 PM
.*Sound revisionism  Dara01/20/04 06:45 AM
.*Re: Sound revisionism  SysiyoModerator01/20/04 03:20 PM
.*too bad he didn't do it in Helsinki then  Emil01/21/04 09:24 AM
.*Not A Chart Show  EJSundayModerator01/20/04 07:49 AM
.*Re: Not A Chart Show  gus_01/20/04 09:29 AM
.*Re: Not A Chart Show  gus_01/20/04 09:50 AM
.*Re: Not A Chart Show  eraserhead01/20/04 09:49 AM
.*Minstrel In The Gallery  EJSundayModerator01/20/04 10:54 AM
.*Not Defying  Si_rocks01/20/04 09:54 AM
.*Re: Sound revisionism  eraserhead01/20/04 07:18 AM
.*Re: Sound revisionism  Dara01/21/04 05:59 AM
.*here's my theory  eraserhead01/21/04 10:06 AM
..I Am Too Old For Retro  EJSundayModerator01/21/04 11:05 AM
.*Re: I Am Too Old For Retro  Schenk01/21/04 12:36 PM
.*Two In One - But Still There Are Differences  EJSundayModerator01/22/04 05:41 AM
.*You guys are so old!  eraserhead01/21/04 12:14 PM
.*Re: You guys are so old!  Dara01/21/04 01:28 PM
.*Re: here's my theory  Dara01/21/04 10:26 AM
.*Standards And Changes  EJSundayModerator01/21/04 07:00 AM
.*Re: Standards And Changes  Si_rocks01/21/04 08:39 AM
.*Miffled  poorsoul01/22/04 00:18 AM
.*Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality Tour?  SysiyoModerator01/20/04 04:12 AM
.*Good post Sysiyo  eraserhead01/20/04 06:17 AM
.*Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality Tour?  CAwesome01/19/04 08:59 PM
.*Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality Tour?  dice01/20/04 01:32 PM
.*Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality T  SoulLoveChild01/20/04 06:22 PM
.*Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality T  dice01/20/04 07:20 PM
.*dice didn't defy expectations either  SoulLoveChild01/21/04 01:47 AM
.*Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality T  jabow01/20/04 07:27 PM
.*Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality T  pablopicasso01/20/04 06:58 PM
.*Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality Tour?  tv eye01/19/04 11:25 PM
.*Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality Tour?  bowiefanpeter01/19/04 09:22 PM
.*Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality T  dukewhite01/19/04 08:19 PM
.*Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality Tour?  dice01/19/04 08:12 PM
.*Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality Tour?  diamondogz7401/19/04 08:02 PM
.*Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality Tour?  tragicyouth01/19/04 07:51 PM
.*Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality T  HelenaOfGale01/19/04 04:22 PM
.*Why do you say that  Emil01/19/04 04:19 PM
.*Why do I say what?  eraserhead01/19/04 04:54 PM
.*Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality Tour?  Beltene01/19/04 03:52 PM
.*Re: Is Bowie defying expectations with A Reality Tour?  Jubany01/19/04 04:10 PM
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